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for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' * 1
    #14331431 - 04/22/11 01:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

how you do it??? cuz i've tried but i can't help but to reflect of real life matters while on psychedelics. now, don't get me wrong, there are times when i have lots of insane and crazy fun, but at the end of day, i always end up reflecting on my own personal and life issues whether i like it or not.

i can't just eat mushrooms and expect not think about what is it that life is, for me, and for those around me.

mushrooms are like an instrument, a tool, of reflection whether you like it or not. at least for many of my buddies and myself of course.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
    #14331477 - 04/22/11 02:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I agree with you 1000000000000000000 percent (just held down the zero key)...

For me it's only a few times a year and they [mushrooms] seem to help me reflect on what has happened in the past few months, a refreshment for the mind if you will.

Had a girlfriend once who would trip a few times a week, to be honest it was annoying, I always asked her how she could do it.  Seems a little disrespectful to the mushrooms in my opinion, never gave me a straight answer either.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: IdoItToUNWIND]
    #14331496 - 04/22/11 02:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i mean, seriously, i don't mean to speak for everyone, but mushrooms seem to kick my ass one way or another. even if it just in a little part of the trip, mushrooms are just so much powerful, i find it hard to just take em lightly.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: IdoItToUNWIND] * 1
    #14331546 - 04/22/11 02:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard] * 2
    #14331733 - 04/22/11 04:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

How do I do it? Well, firstly I don't take 5000+ gram hyperspace doses.

Secondly I get together with some good friends, put on some good music and groove to the music while enjoying the day on psychedelics.

Thirdly, I don't:

  • Close my eyes
  • Lay down
  • Sit by myself in silence.


Set and setting is key. If you are in the set and setting for having a good time, you have a good time. If you are in a set and setting for pondering the inner mysteries of the universe, you ponder the inner myseteries of the universe. This doesn't just apply to drugs you know - your environment should always reflect the activity you plan on doing in it. (feng shui as the Chinese call it).


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Dawks]
    #14331747 - 04/22/11 04:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

IMO take them "for fun" and they will hand your ass to you.

There's a reason they have been used religiously since man started walking.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: BadAcid]
    #14331778 - 04/22/11 05:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It works as a medicine
the nexus of reasons that leads us to take shrooms is too complicated to map
strength depends on dosage among other things
when I start to notice the afterglow fading I take it again
lsd shroom dmt
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Ferdinando]
    #14331803 - 04/22/11 05:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Out of say a hundred trips (shrooms, dmt, LSD, 2cX) maybe 5 times I dosed with the intention of learning something.

Saying that someone who doses for recreational purposes is going to 'get their ass handed to them' is retarded.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
    #14331844 - 04/22/11 05:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I agree with you as well. This chick Ik wants to eat shrooms on her birthday and go to the strip club:facepalm:
I told her shrooms arent meant to have a good time and party, it would be a waste to go there.
Instead I told her to go to Palisades(nice national park) and walk the trails. She liked the idea so hopefully she might.
Only psych I take for fun is 2c-b just because I dont see anything special about it. Never have flowing thoughts. Just dumbed down mind with lots of visuals


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Divinity]
    #14331862 - 04/22/11 06:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

IMO they are dual purpose.  If you want to sit meditate or think about issues, great!  Do it.

But if you wanna get a couple of friends, watch teletubies at 2AM in the morning and laugh your ass off, great!  Do it too.

We can be as multi-dimensional as the shrooms! :omgawesome:


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Odum]
    #14331863 - 04/22/11 06:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Johnny Depp said:
It gives you an altered state of mind for a short time in which you can see things from a different angle.  But that angle isn't always true. 

IMHO mushrooms lie.  So I don't take things I think about on them too seriously.  That's not to say I haven't occasionally learned something good.  It's just mostly a waste of thought.  I have thought up all kinds of theories and philosophies, and later when I'm sober thought "WTF was I thinking?"




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Odum said:
Saying that someone who doses for recreational purposes is going to 'get their ass handed to them' is retarded.



and this

i used to take them to learn things, and most of the time i came to the conclusion that i was just fucked up. now i just go in with the sole intention of having a good time. every now and then i actually do learn something. and it seems that ive learned more with no expectations, than when i actually tried.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Divinity]
    #14331869 - 04/22/11 06:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know... I use psychedelics for both recreation and spiritual reasons... The main difference to me is the dose.  If i'm going to a concert or just want to hang around and goof with friends or go to a concert or something i'll eat an eighth or so and when i want to lay around by myself and explore the universe i usually go 7g+


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: redrum187]
    #14331881 - 04/22/11 06:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I believe it depends largely on the person I could never get through an entire trip without some sort of introspection others seem to have an aversion to these types of convos and are in it only for "the fun of it."


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard] * 1
    #14331941 - 04/22/11 06:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You've been conditioned to believing they are introspective and that they provide you new perspectives into your life.  You've been sold a bill of goods.  Its funny that as a kid, my friends and I would trip all the time and NONE of us ever had anything mystical, spiritual, or introspective happen.  We'd just be really fucking high, tripping our balls off.  And this was tripping for years with many different people before the internet poisoned our innocence.  I remember tripping with the black kids once.  It was a laugh riot, those dudes did it all the time.  No one held these drugs above or below any other drug.  The internet helped the younger generations place a special value on this class of drugs.  There is a powerful concerted effort to raise the profile on these drugs and it has been a blazing success.  Look around you.

These drugs do anything you want them to and then take it a step further.  You want to meet God, you can become God.  You want to think about life, you'll have a psychotherapy session with Freud on steroids. You want to contemplate abstract ideas, it'll draw you a fucking picture of that physics concept you just couldn't get.  Of course, it will do nothing you can't do on your own.  Nothing.  With some low self-esteem and reinforcing drug taking behavior, you'll give credit to the drug and further elevate it to a mythical status. 

You want to trip and have fun?  Realize its intoxicant, a euphoriant, and not a medicine.  Realize its a cheap thrill, like huffing glue.  Not too many threads on glue huffing and introspection, right?  Not that huffing can't be introspective or provide access to deeper levels of your reality, it just sounds stupid and no one ever told you it could.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14332087 - 04/22/11 07:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Mr. Joe Molloy, quick question:

Many moons ago, when you were an innocent tripper; did you have any "bad trips"? Just an interesting thought I had reading your response...


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14332095 - 04/22/11 07:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

if you are were into meditation you might see that lsd etc. strengthens concentration
good that you are skeptic towards what comes from other people
how about being more wholesome about this and apply the same skepticism to your self?


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14332112 - 04/22/11 07:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Actually Joe, I, like yourself have tripped before the "spiritual" connection between psychedelics was very mainstream (keep in mind though humans have been using entheogens for thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years). And like you said "nothing really spiritual happened, we just tripped our balls off." That being said, the psychedelic high was unlike any other. Rather than getting the high or euphoria directly from the drug, I was pulling the high from my surroundings. This gave me a renewed appreciation for life.

Later in life I started getting into eastern philosophy. One of the things I quickly realized is that some of the fleeting moments I had on psychedelics that didn't really seem important before, now truly resounded with me.

And as it stands psychedelics are something that I would consider a spiritual tool, or as Albert Hofmann put it "medicine for the soul." I do agree with you that "it will do nothing you can't do on your own." But I strongly believe that psychedelics can help skeptics and self doubters realize the true potential of their mind - which in turn can lead to long term peace and contentment down the road.

So contrary to your statement, I don't really view psychedelics as a cheap high, on par with huffing glue - because psychedelics, in my subjective opinion have the power to open people's minds to their own potential and this makes them very powerful and medicinal indeed.

I don't think the answer is telling OP to realize psychedelics are an intoxicant like any other, but rather guide him into taking them with pleasure in mind. As I said earlier and as you said yourself, "psychdelics do anything you want them to and then take it a step further". If OP trips to have a good time, and makes sure he takes the precautions and creates good set and setting for himself he'll surely have a great time.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Dawks]
    #14332142 - 04/22/11 08:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've yet to experience anything spiritual or profound on shrooms...but I've only had low doses. I hope I do one day, but until that day, I see no problem with having fun with them. They also inspire a calmness that lasts for days. Which is definitely a great thing for me. I don't see how using them for these things is disrespectful.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: thieves]
    #14332193 - 04/22/11 08:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Real life matters ARE fun. Life is dead serious and hilarious at the same time. So are psychedelics.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Dawks]
    #14332194 - 04/22/11 08:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

great post Dawks
I just want to add that if we try to detach ourselves from this topic
we are left mainly with the fact that psychedelics expand consciousness
this is knowledge that I wish would expand throughout all users of psychedelics

when music resonates in a prolonged way
when flies leave visible trails in the air
when thoughts last longer
try to see that all in mind is mind-objects, or thoughts if you will
the fading of this stuff, consciousness, prolongs
the signals extend and layer (build on top of each other)
this is the essential effect of psychedelics

a natural consequence of this is that more associations resonate in the mind and as the best match is always the one to resonate most
better matches occur
mentality improves
this very improvement lasts for days
if you are very sensitive (meditation) you will still be able to discern your state from totally sober after 5 days


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Ferdinando]
    #14332340 - 04/22/11 09:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I do them for fun often but always in a setting where if I go too deep into negative thought patterns I am somewhere where I feel safe with friends I trust. I try to take them with no goal at all but to experience. I wouldn't compare them to huffing glue at all. I'd compare them to dreaming. If you feel your dreams are worthless and don't want to interpret them that's fine or you could be the other extreme and over analyze everything. It's just your mind processing information and presenting it to you in different ways. My first shroom trip I expected to see things melt and warp not to become one with the universe and for some moments barely be able to tell that my friend and I were two separate individuals. I hadn't read anything like that before Joe. Not everyones brain is the same..

Edit: most people know someone who did a psychedelic thinking they were party drugs and spent the whole time dwelling on facts about their life and having a bad trip they didn't know existed.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: jellyfish]
    #14332346 - 04/22/11 09:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

shroomery should have delcared 4 20 a day of silence that would have been awesome.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
    #14332756 - 04/22/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I always trip for fun. If i happen to learn something, its usually just a quick reflection on how much i love my family, usually instigated by watching the Simpsons.

For me, theres no objective besides having fun and letting loose. Just keep the lights on, music and cartoons rolling, joints burning, and thoughts happy!

Sometimes i feel like the trip is pulling me towards a learning experience. things get pointy, and i see concerned looking eyes all over the wall. Sometimes everything flows in a particular direction that almost seems to yell "close your bedroom door!" But, for me its easy enough to keep concentrating on cartoons, roll a dub, and laugh my ass off for hours.

Life is hard enough. I use shrooms when i feel accomplished. Its nice to sit back, feel amazing, trip balls, and have a personal night.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Kevin_X2]
    #14332814 - 04/22/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yes that is nice


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Ferdinando]
    #14332843 - 04/22/11 11:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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yes that is nice




who asked you? :tongue:


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
    #14332854 - 04/22/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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how you do it??? cuz i've tried but i can't help but to reflect of real life matters while on psychedelics. now, don't get me wrong, there are times when i have lots of insane and crazy fun, but at the end of day, i always end up reflecting on my own personal and life issues whether i like it or not.

i can't just eat mushrooms and expect not think about what is it that life is, for me, and for those around me.




Frequency, dude.  If you don't trip for a long time, it's like every day you live you put another layer on the onion, then when you trip you have to strip all those layers off to get back to the ground of being.  These layers are the thoughts and the conclusions and the wrong ideas and the unexplored feelings and dreams and all the stuff you imagine happens that isn't real.

Get back to the real and it's fun again, 'cause really that's all it ever is.  Consecutive days are the best for me, sure you get tolerance but grow more, that's the key.  The trip changes obviously - why?  Because the first one is like blasting away the barriers keeping you from your true reality, and all the fears and weirdness you got into after the last time has to go away before you're ready to have the fun again. 

YMMV but I've seen this so many times in my journeys it's become a ritual for me. :awesomenod:

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14332864 - 04/22/11 11:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

joe you've become pretty popular around here in your absence

There must have been five threads with joe molloy in the title, and pages of arguments over your right to believe in bullshit

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: drr]
    #14332936 - 04/22/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

you are what you eat

I wasn't sarcastic Kevin it sounds nice


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Johnny Depp]
    #14333102 - 04/22/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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It gives you an altered state of mind for a short time in which you can see things from a different angle.  But that angle isn't always true. 

IMHO mushrooms lie.  So I don't take things I think about on them too seriously.  That's not to say I haven't occasionally learned something good.  It's just mostly a waste of thought.  I have thought up all kinds of theories and philosophies, and later when I'm sober thought "WTF was I thinking?"

And being a materialist/atheist I don't get any spiritual/god connection either.  When I talk to god or ghosts, or feel vibes or whatever I don't connect that to some higher power trying to actually contact me.   

So I take them for fun, and if I get anything out of it then great!  But usually I get more useless bad/serious/loop trips than real epiphanies.  I get more perspective from talking to other people and thinking about things sober than some psychedelic drug.
Fucking Shrooms!:mad2:  There, I said it




completely agree in my opinion if everyone thought like this going into a trip there would be less "bad trips" that u hear about if u dont take it so serious it wont be


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: bloodyxscar]
    #14333267 - 04/22/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

why does reflecting on your life have to mean you're having a bad time? work on your attitude or your life


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: plaster]
    #14333304 - 04/22/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I take shrooms for fun. I always find that my trips are very introspective, as I always dose alone, but that doesn't mean it isn't fun :shrug:

It's all about what you, where you go, and your attitude. I rarely dose, so every time I do I am overcome with that "magic". It's a comfortable journey into a mystical land of confusion.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Anthony917]
    #14333384 - 04/22/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The only drugs i took for fun are DOI/DOM/DOC and 4-HO-MET, sometimes 2C-E but it's very mentally powerfull too !


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: GoddessOfLove]
    #14333537 - 04/22/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Like others have said before its a mindset , you can go in any direction. Be it spiritual or logically  illogical. Anything is possible. Wasn't there a study where people were given shrooms in a laboratory setting and 3 of the 5 had trips of being abducted by aliens and spoke or were  interactive with the beings ?


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
    #14333760 - 04/22/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Go to the beach and play frissbee for 4 hours with some good music and good friends. Stay occupied and your mind won't wander IMO
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Ferdinando]
    #14334181 - 04/22/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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you are what you eat

I wasn't sarcastic Kevin it sounds nice




sorry dude! dono why i interpreted it like that

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: drr]
    #14334268 - 04/22/11 04:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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joe you've become pretty popular around here in your absence

There must have been five threads with joe molloy in the title, and pages of arguments over your right to believe in bullshit

And a couple copy cat bullshitters




I'm glad that some people are questioning the utility of these drugs.  Its counterintuitive to think how powerful the experience is and then to dismiss it as meaningless garble.  After all, how could anything that does that to your mind, that feels like a Big Bang in your head be insignificant, pointless, and devoid of anything substantive?  It doesn't make sense, right?  It makes you feel as if the universe is converging upon you, you are the point of complete totality and oneness.  You are God.  To dismiss it is insulting and shows some type of low self-esteem.

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Ferdinando]
    #14334344 - 04/22/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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if you are were into meditation you might see that lsd etc. strengthens concentration
good that you are skeptic towards what comes from other people
how about being more wholesome about this and apply the same skepticism to your self?




Skepticism to myself:  I'm an arrogant, sarcastic asshole who probably has low self esteem somewhere deep down inside.  I have a million dollar smile and a finely tuned bullshit detector that went off kilter for a while when I loaded my brain with powerful drugs, psychedelic literature, and forum talk.  But I am back, sharp as a motherfucker, sporting a high and tight fade, with the passion and zeal of a militant Muslim.  Yeah, I'm a polar thinker, I have trouble with black and white, difficulty discerning shades of gray, especially when it comes to the benefits of these drugs.


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Mr. Joe Molloy, quick question:

Many moons ago, when you were an innocent tripper; did you have any "bad trips"? Just an interesting thought I had reading your response...




I had a few rough trips on ayahuasca towards the end of my two year weekly run of it.  A few hours where everything would make complete sense and then it would shatter into chaos and this would go on and on.  It was madness, but a great polar opposite to the enlightened bliss that I'd usually feel.  Eventually I started seeing my addiction and obsession and began to think honestly about my drug use.  It was at that point when my opinion of these drugs really started to sour.  And as I thought more about it, the less impressed I became with myths I built around them.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14334443 - 04/22/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

fuck, joe. you are needed here


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14334535 - 04/22/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

All of my trips have been extremely fun and spiritually enlightening. On a good trip, I will be laughing my ass off because I've just discovered a truth about humanity. Things can be serious and funny even when not tripping.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Dawks]
    #14334606 - 04/22/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Actually Joe, I, like yourself have tripped before the "spiritual" connection between psychedelics was very mainstream (keep in mind though humans have been using entheogens for thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years). And like you said "nothing really spiritual happened, we just tripped our balls off." That being said, the psychedelic high was unlike any other. Rather than getting the high or euphoria directly from the drug, I was pulling the high from my surroundings. This gave me a renewed appreciation for life.




You lost me at "I was pulling the high from my surroundings."  That's attributing some magical power these drugs even though you'll argue you meant it metaphorically.  You were fucked up and the world looks pretty when it sparkles and feels even better when your pleasure receptors are drowning in psychedelic cum.  Yeah, we all appreciate life when we're on a pleasure trip and sometimes its so powerful that we'll feel good for days.

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Later in life I started getting into eastern philosophy. One of the things I quickly realized is that some of the fleeting moments I had on psychedelics that didn't really seem important before, now truly resounded with me.

And as it stands psychedelics are something that I would consider a spiritual tool, or as Albert Hofmann put it "medicine for the soul." I do agree with you that "it will do nothing you can't do on your own." But I strongly believe that psychedelics can help skeptics and self doubters realize the true potential of their mind - which in turn can lead to long term peace and contentment down the road.

So contrary to your statement, I don't really view psychedelics as a cheap high, on par with huffing glue - because psychedelics, in my subjective opinion have the power to open people's minds to their own potential and this makes them very powerful and medicinal indeed.




It's this type of thinking that I take issue with.  What does it open your mind to?  What new potential do you have that you didn't before?  Once I got honest with myself, I couldn't think of anything positive that it did.

Those cliches sound uplifting and empowering, but they are stale and empty to me.  You are still the same guy with the same problems with the same limitations as you were before you tripped.  Except now you think you have a secret telephone line to your eastern philosophy and that if you really concentrate during your trips, the ideas on those pages will come to life.  And they will come to life.  Seriously.  And so will the Bible, the Koran, and a Superman comic book.  They'll all come to life with equal power.  Which one is real?  None of them.  You're just really fucking high and confused.

I had the God of the Old Testament in my living room.  I was sure of it.  And that's no joke, Dawks.  Would you feel safe around me?


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14334846 - 04/22/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I take psychs because they make me happy. Even in the midst of a heart racing, anxious, heroic dose of shrooms trip I found fun in it. I was paranoid someone would find out I was tripping balls (was at a concert, leaving the concert) and I'd get in trouble. It was still more fun than anything I would do sober.

Maybe it is all bullshit, but like most things, that's your opinion of something in the world. One man's trash is another man's treasure and all that nonsense.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14334947 - 04/22/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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What does it open your mind to?  What new potential do you have that you didn't before?  Once I got honest with myself, I couldn't think of anything positive that it did.

Those cliches sound uplifting and empowering, but they are stale and empty to me.  You are still the same guy with the same problems with the same limitations as you were before you tripped.  Except now you think you have a secret telephone line to your eastern philosophy and that if you really concentrate during your trips, the ideas on those pages will come to life.  And they will come to life.  Seriously.  And so will the Bible, the Koran, and a Superman comic book.  They'll all come to life with equal power.  Which one is real?  None of them.  You're just really fucking high and confused.




That psychedelic confusion can have the effect of shaking up the etch-a-sketch that is our personality and habits, allowing for somewhat of a fresh start.  Of course, it takes some real work in the real world to make progress; psychedelics aren't a miracle cure-all.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14335172 - 04/22/11 08:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Whenever I trip, I drink good beer, hang out with beautiful women, and smoke a whole lot of grass. I do this because that is pretty much my favorite thing in the world when I'm not tripping. What we do while we drink beer and smoke grass is always an adventure and I always learn something about my life. These are always profound realizations. I used to think that the drug caused these profound realizations. Then, I started going back to college. Every day I have profound realizations. It doesn't matter if I'm sober, stoned, or tripping, they come from within. Everything comes from within.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: AUX]
    #14335329 - 04/22/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm all about tripping and social events. Alllllllll about it. :thumbup: Just don't dose too hard so you can still talk to people. Unless its just like you and 3 friends in a house on 5 hits of LSD fucking giggling like mad.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
    #14336051 - 04/22/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

For those of you who use cannabis 'for fun'   

How you do it??? cuz i've tried but i can't help but to reflect of real life matters while on cannabis. now, don't get me wrong, there are times when i have lots of insane and crazy fun, but at the end of day, i always end up reflecting on my own personal and life issues whether i like it or not.

I can't just eat cannabis and expect not think about what is it that life is, for me, and for those around me.

Cannabis is like an instrument, a tool, of reflection whether you like it or not.

Actually the whole ego death and hearing the wisdom of dead people is my idea of fun...


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #14336320 - 04/23/11 12:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Johnny Depp]
    #14336369 - 04/23/11 12:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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It gives you an altered state of mind for a short time in which you can see things from a different angle.  But that angle isn't always true. 

IMHO mushrooms lie.  So I don't take things I think about on them too seriously.  That's not to say I haven't occasionally learned something good.  It's just mostly a waste of thought.  I have thought up all kinds of theories and philosophies, and later when I'm sober thought "WTF was I thinking?"

And being a materialist/atheist I don't get any spiritual/god connection either.  When I talk to god or ghosts, or feel vibes or whatever I don't connect that to some higher power trying to actually contact me.   

So I take them for fun, and if I get anything out of it then great!  But usually I get more useless bad/serious/loop trips than real epiphanies.  I get more perspective from talking to other people and thinking about things sober than some psychedelic drug.
Fucking Shrooms!:mad2:  There, I said it





i have a similar mind set, but i don't disregard the messages, i think about what they may represent in a metaphorical sense.

i don't believe in a god, i don't think their is or can be a god, but i still feel a connection between human beings and how i relate to human beings during my trips


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
    #14337303 - 04/23/11 07:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

sometimes for a bolt of lightning to shake up my life a bit (regular dose) - rare once/year or less
sometimes for some sparkler dazzle to enhance my life a bit (partial dose) - often 4 times/month or more
mostly nothing since it would be a waste (tolerance) and I wont get good value anyway from over using.

I don't look at it as a button to press to get pleasure,
though a light dose usually makes me pretty happy,
especially in the relax time after doing some really good and difficult work.

as for spiritual, I am always interested in awareness and letting-go, so I can't say there is any time that it is or isn't a spiritual thing, or even what that word means separate from what I do anyway.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
    #14337429 - 04/23/11 08:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i'm not much of a "shrooms just for shits and giggles" (although i usually get both when tripping) kind of guy. i see this as more a personality type. i'm a fairly introspective guy in my "ground state", don't see why it would be any different when tripping :shrug:

i do other thangs for "fun". personally, i like to keep the mushroom experience a sacred one.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14338178 - 04/23/11 12:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i think introspection is unavoidable on any psychedelic. that doesn't mean you're not allowed to have fun on them. the only compound that, to me, doesn't seem to lend itself to any sort of recreational use is ayahuasca.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: plaster]
    #14342382 - 04/24/11 07:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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why does reflecting on your life have to mean you're having a bad time? work on your attitude or your life




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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14342433 - 04/24/11 07:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Try LSD!  :lsdabc:

I find lsd to be far less of a mindfuck than shrooms when you take about 2 or 3 doses.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: LSDylan]
    #14343666 - 04/24/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The main thing about life is attitude. Live in sadness and depression and anger in the moment, yes, but don't hurt people over it. You can wake up and choose to be whatever emotion you want. You just have to try.

If you keep living a life of depression though, you're gonna stay depressed. If you're always angry and you always let your rage go, you're going to be an angry person. Just chill out, be happy, and be optimistic. Say yes to ideas that will lead you to good experiences, be careful, and don't hurt others. Those 3 things plus always wanting to have a good time, to laugh and giggle and have conversation and good drink and herb and food, and you can be happy. You just have to make it. Its a universe of endless possibilities, just open the door. :hug:


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Joolz]
    #14344041 - 04/24/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

sounds like a good plan to me

but chemical depression/anxiety can't be cured by simply telling yourself to be happy
i think for someone in a slump this might work, otherwise not, although it can't hurt

also i don't think alcohol and weed will help someone in his position, doesn't sound like he's in a state where ingesting more chemicals can help him restore balance.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14344201 - 04/24/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You've been conditioned to believing they are introspective and that they provide you new perspectives into your life.  You've been sold a bill of goods.  Its funny that as a kid, my friends and I would trip all the time and NONE of us ever had anything mystical, spiritual, or introspective happen.  We'd just be really fucking high, tripping our balls off.  And this was tripping for years with many different people before the internet poisoned our innocence.  I remember tripping with the black kids once.  It was a laugh riot, those dudes did it all the time.  No one held these drugs above or below any other drug.  The internet helped the younger generations place a special value on this class of drugs.  There is a powerful concerted effort to raise the profile on these drugs and it has been a blazing success.  Look around you.

These drugs do anything you want them to and then take it a step further.  You want to meet God, you can become God.  You want to think about life, you'll have a psychotherapy session with Freud on steroids. You want to contemplate abstract ideas, it'll draw you a fucking picture of that physics concept you just couldn't get.  Of course, it will do nothing you can't do on your own.  Nothing.  With some low self-esteem and reinforcing drug taking behavior, you'll give credit to the drug and further elevate it to a mythical status. 

You want to trip and have fun?  Realize its intoxicant, a euphoriant, and not a medicine.  Realize its a cheap thrill, like huffing glue.  Not too many threads on glue huffing and introspection, right?  Not that huffing can't be introspective or provide access to deeper levels of your reality, it just sounds stupid and no one ever told you it could.




If youve ever done ayahuasca and can still say this..idk wtf youre thinking.

and the internet didn't invent the idea of psychedelics being spiritual. its been going on for 1000s of years. even in the 60s man


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #14344610 - 04/24/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You've been conditioned to believing they are introspective and that they provide you new perspectives into your life.  You've been sold a bill of goods.  Its funny that as a kid, my friends and I would trip all the time and NONE of us ever had anything mystical, spiritual, or introspective happen.  We'd just be really fucking high, tripping our balls off.  And this was tripping for years with many different people before the internet poisoned our innocence.  I remember tripping with the black kids once.  It was a laugh riot, those dudes did it all the time.  No one held these drugs above or below any other drug.  The internet helped the younger generations place a special value on this class of drugs.  There is a powerful concerted effort to raise the profile on these drugs and it has been a blazing success.  Look around you.

These drugs do anything you want them to and then take it a step further.  You want to meet God, you can become God.  You want to think about life, you'll have a psychotherapy session with Freud on steroids. You want to contemplate abstract ideas, it'll draw you a fucking picture of that physics concept you just couldn't get.  Of course, it will do nothing you can't do on your own.  Nothing.  With some low self-esteem and reinforcing drug taking behavior, you'll give credit to the drug and further elevate it to a mythical status. 

You want to trip and have fun?  Realize its intoxicant, a euphoriant, and not a medicine.  Realize its a cheap thrill, like huffing glue.  Not too many threads on glue huffing and introspection, right?  Not that huffing can't be introspective or provide access to deeper levels of your reality, it just sounds stupid and no one ever told you it could.




If youve ever done ayahuasca and can still say this..idk wtf youre thinking.

and the internet didn't invent the idea of psychedelics being spiritual. its been going on for 1000s of years. even in the 60s man




seriously, why the hell do you think shamans took psychoactive substances? to have a good time? many of the psychoactives that we hold near and dear (mushrooms, cactus, ayahuasca, etc.) have been used a vehicle between this world and the unseen for thousands of years.

but you're probably right, shamans read about that shit on the web in the middle of the amazon and that's why they ascribed spirituality to it :doublefacepalm:


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #14344621 - 04/24/11 05:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You've been conditioned to believing they are introspective and that they provide you new perspectives into your life.  You've been sold a bill of goods.  Its funny that as a kid, my friends and I would trip all the time and NONE of us ever had anything mystical, spiritual, or introspective happen.  We'd just be really fucking high, tripping our balls off.  And this was tripping for years with many different people before the internet poisoned our innocence.  I remember tripping with the black kids once.  It was a laugh riot, those dudes did it all the time.  No one held these drugs above or below any other drug.  The internet helped the younger generations place a special value on this class of drugs.  There is a powerful concerted effort to raise the profile on these drugs and it has been a blazing success.  Look around you.

These drugs do anything you want them to and then take it a step further.  You want to meet God, you can become God.  You want to think about life, you'll have a psychotherapy session with Freud on steroids. You want to contemplate abstract ideas, it'll draw you a fucking picture of that physics concept you just couldn't get.  Of course, it will do nothing you can't do on your own.  Nothing.  With some low self-esteem and reinforcing drug taking behavior, you'll give credit to the drug and further elevate it to a mythical status. 

You want to trip and have fun?  Realize its intoxicant, a euphoriant, and not a medicine.  Realize its a cheap thrill, like huffing glue.  Not too many threads on glue huffing and introspection, right?  Not that huffing can't be introspective or provide access to deeper levels of your reality, it just sounds stupid and no one ever told you it could.




If youve ever done ayahuasca and can still say this..idk wtf youre thinking.

and the internet didn't invent the idea of psychedelics being spiritual. its been going on for 1000s of years. even in the 60s man




I did ayahuasca every Saturday for two years and my conclusions are that the experience can take the Bible, the Koran, all of eastern philosophy and a Superman comic book and bring them to life with such power and force that they're all equally believable.  The feelings I got on ayahuasca were divine and revelatory.  I glimpsed my own divinity, my own place in the universe.  The lines between self and other were blurred until I was it all.  Blah, blah, blah.  Then I called bullshit on the whole thing and suddenly my trips turned into tin pot, chintzy garbage.  I went from being God to just some dude getting high for fun.  Get it?  They do whatever you want, they just amplify whatever nonsense you have floating around in your head.  If you think that's Truth, then you must believe there is lots of Truth in the mental ward too.  "Hey maaaaan, how dare you try to shit on their reality!"  Truth may be subjective and my opinion may be one among many, but some ideas are more rational, logical, and intelligent than others.  These drugs fuck you up in all sorts of creative ways, its a big head game that you can't ever win.

Oh, I know the internet didn't create the mystical interpretation of the psychedelic experience, but it introduced many users including myself to it and had it profoundly alter the experience.  Funny how that works - here's an equation (funny idea + psychedelics = funny idea skullfucking you to the point of stupidity)

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14344648 - 04/24/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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seriously, why the hell do you think shamans took psychoactive substances? to have a good time? many of the psychoactives that we hold near and dear (mushrooms, cactus, ayahuasca, etc.) have been used a vehicle between this world and the unseen for thousands of years.

but you're probably right, shamans read about that shit on the web in the middle of the amazon and that's why they ascribed spirituality to it :doublefacepalm:




they didn't take them for fun, they took them to learn about the world, and the universe, and the mysteries of life, except nowadays we've already solved 90% of the questions they were asking. These substances were so popular back in the day because people had NO IDEA about how the natural forces of the world worked.
today, things like shrooms & other psychedelics are irrelevant to the culture, because we seek our answers from science, not from mystical drugs.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Anthony917]
    #14344682 - 04/24/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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seriously, why the hell do you think shamans took psychoactive substances? to have a good time? many of the psychoactives that we hold near and dear (mushrooms, cactus, ayahuasca, etc.) have been used a vehicle between this world and the unseen for thousands of years.

but you're probably right, shamans read about that shit on the web in the middle of the amazon and that's why they ascribed spirituality to it :doublefacepalm:




Interesting how psychedelic enthusiasts like to elevate these backwards jungle throwbacks to such a high status.  If they didn't get fucked up hallucinogens, would anyone on Shroomery give a fuck about them? Nah, you'd relegate them to the anthropology books as some c

Why don't we speak lovingly about traditional Eskimo culture? 

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seriously, why the hell do you think shamans took psychoactive substances? to have a good time? many of the psychoactives that we hold near and dear (mushrooms, cactus, ayahuasca, etc.) have been used a vehicle between this world and the unseen for thousands of years.

but you're probably right, shamans read about that shit on the web in the middle of the amazon and that's why they ascribed spirituality to it :doublefacepalm:




they didn't take them for fun, they took them to learn about the world, and the universe, and the mysteries of life, except nowadays we've already solved 90% of the questions they were asking. These substances were so popular back in the day because people had NO IDEA about how the natural forces of the world worked.
today, things like shrooms & other psychedelics are irrelevant to the culture, because we seek our answers from science, not from mystical drugs.




Interesting how psychedelic enthusiasts like to elevate these backwards jungle throwbacks to such a high status.  If they didn't get fucked up hallucinogens, would anyone on Shroomery give a fuck about them? Nah, you'd relegate them to the anthropology books as some curiously boring primitives.  You would also laugh at their beliefs and mock their superstitious ideas.  Oh, but because they get high too, their ideas suddenly have value.  Especially their ideas about drugs.  They get extra credit points because they mythologized their usage.

Why don't we speak lovingly about traditional Eskimo culture around these parts?


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Anthony917]
    #14344707 - 04/24/11 06:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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they didn't take them for fun, they took them to learn about the world, and the universe, and the mysteries of life, except nowadays we've already solved 90% of the questions they were asking. These substances were so popular back in the day because people had NO IDEA about how the natural forces of the world worked.
today, things like shrooms & other psychedelics are irrelevant to the culture, because we seek our answers from science, not from mystical drugs.




while it's true in part that they did take them to try and learn about the world that surrounded them they also took them to communicate and learn from something "larger" than themselves. they communed with "the dead", with those who had crossed over into "the other", whatever that "other" might be.

while science has been able to give account for many of the things we used to ascribe mystery to it still can not explain the metaphysical.

as moderns humans we like to perceive of ourselves as the most "technologically and scientifically advanced" of our species to ever exist. while that may be true, i see our species in a state of spiritual regression that may end up bringing more harm to us a species than any past scientific ignorance could have ever brought about.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14344748 - 04/24/11 06:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Interesting how psychedelic enthusiasts like to elevate these backwards jungle throwbacks to such a high status.  If they didn't get fucked up hallucinogens, would anyone on Shroomery give a fuck about them? Nah, you'd relegate them to the anthropology books as some curiously boring primitives.  You would also laugh at their beliefs and mock their superstitious ideas.  Oh, but because they get high too, their ideas suddenly have value.  Especially their ideas about drugs.  They get extra credit points because they mythologized their usage.

Why don't we speak lovingly about traditional Eskimo culture around these parts?




wow joe, you speak with a lot of assumptions about me. first off, i don't know that i'd call myself a "psychedelic enthusiast". but you can throw whatever label you need to on me or anyone with my perspective if it helps to make you feel like your argument has more "substance".

second, i've been "into" anthropology and sociology for many years (hence the reason i went to school for both), long before i even started experimenting with psychedelics.

i see the light you're trying to cast me in but you missed the mark on this one. try not to give into the delusion that you know everyones story before you actually know them.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14344762 - 04/24/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I cast a wide net with all of my posts but still think this one includes you despite your protests.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
    #14344771 - 04/24/11 06:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well, it's all about mind-set, right?
So, Keep it cool, just keep your mind occupied and do something fun

Based on my experience having done both shrooms and acid..
This can be caused by:
personal problems, personality issues, religion?, worries/anxieties etc.
I think it's because the drug has a power to reveal your subconscious  state of mind..Therefore, it makes perfect sense that you will ponder about any personal worries or issues .

Nowdays, I keep it cool so I simply enjoy and laugh at things rather than get delusional about issues.

In my experience,LSD is more enjoyable than shrooms.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14344778 - 04/24/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I cast a wide net with all of my posts but still think this one includes you despite your protests.




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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14344808 - 04/24/11 06:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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as moderns humans we like to perceive of ourselves as the most "technologically and scientifically advanced" of our species to ever exist. while that may be true, i see our species in a state of spiritual regression that may end up bringing more harm to us a species than any past scientific ignorance could have ever brought about.




Technology is and always will be a double-edged sword.
It may be great to be technologically advanced, but not when that technology is being a detriment to a society and/or the environment.

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14344845 - 04/24/11 06:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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as moderns humans we like to perceive of ourselves as the most "technologically and scientifically advanced" of our species to ever exist. while that may be true, i see our species in a state of spiritual regression that may end up bringing more harm to us a species than any past scientific ignorance could have ever brought about.




Technology is and always will be a double-edged sword.
It may be great to be technologically advanced, but not when that technology is being a detriment to a society and/or the environment.[/url]




technology is only a means to an end and as such can only carry you so far.

spirit is something all together different, a vehicle we do not know the destination of.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14345138 - 04/24/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

A great model for using psychedelics as psychic exploration tools and tools to facilitate healing and growth is the shamanic style of passage. I recommend looking for further information on shamanism as in the mexican mushroom using shaman of mexico down to the ayahuasca using shaman of south america, namely peru and brazil.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14345399 - 04/24/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:rofl2:

From now on whenever it says "Religion" on a form I'll write "Shaman".


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Dawks]
    #14345574 - 04/24/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

While I think this discussion is interesting, I feel like y'all are hijacking the thread.

Why don't you all go and start an "Official Debate w/ Joe Molloy Thread" thread.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Dawks]
    #14345591 - 04/24/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well they do tend to do that.

I haven't really read much of this thread, really don't want to. However I do have some advice.

I find a benzo helps with this A LOT. Try taking a milligram of Xanax (1MG), Clonozapam (Klonopin)(1MG), or Valium(10MG).

Opiates or opioids also help sometimes too. Oxycodone especially, don't go too crazy with it though. If you're a first timer then don't take more than 5-10 milligrams.

Don't go too crazy on these though because they're HIGHLY addictive.

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14345674 - 04/24/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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While I think this discussion is interesting, I feel like y'all are hijacking the thread.

Why don't you all go and start an "Official Debate w/ Joe Molloy Thread" thread.




were not all debatin' wit joe molly thangs


we are just doin' thangs, just like u

is it a crime to dothangs?

should we create an official thread where we do thangs in that thread only and not be allowed to do thangs in other threads?


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14346200 - 04/24/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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while it's true in part that they did take them to try and learn about the world that surrounded them they also took them to communicate and learn from something "larger" than themselves. they communed with "the dead", with those who had crossed over into "the other", whatever that "other" might be.

while science has been able to give account for many of the things we used to ascribe mystery to it still can not explain the metaphysical.

as moderns humans we like to perceive of ourselves as the most "technologically and scientifically advanced" of our species to ever exist. while that may be true, i see our species in a state of spiritual regression that may end up bringing more harm to us a species than any past scientific ignorance could have ever brought about.



:poopontoast:

They thought they communicated with the dead because their brains were fried on psychs perhaps?


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While I think this discussion is interesting, I feel like y'all are hijacking the thread.

Why don't you all go and start an "Official Debate w/ Joe Molloy Thread" thread.





i think it's relevant enough to the original post that it counts :shrug:


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Anthony917]
    #14347061 - 04/25/11 01:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I haven't read this last page. I just had something to add here. My friend said something that really blew my mind for a second. Huge epiphanies and all that.

"Joolz (I got by Joolz irl) you're such a good guy." We were all tripping "You take psychs and find spirituality in them."

From that, as I tripped, I just kind of thought about that for a second. Basically, all drugs do is amplify your core values. He said I found spirituality in the sense that I'm happy, I want everyone around me to be happy. I don't want any nonsense. I just wanna talk about things that are interesting and amusing, and have a great time. Therefore, he called me a good guy.

That's all spirituality is to me. You can believe whatever you want to believe. The main thing is that we're all here to have a good time, so pass on the fun. Don't be a Debbie Downer or a Negative Nancy, or if you are stay home for the evening and get over it.  Its all about fun in the long run.

I take these drugs and they remind me of why I am still alive. Psychedelics are probably the reason I haven't offed myself to be honest. I can sit for a second, be overcome with euphoria and numbness, and watch the walls begin to move and breathe with me. From there the trip goes as hard as I dosed, and I dose pretty hard these days. Take the drug, enjoy the moment, have fun. :peace:


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: nari]
    #14347098 - 04/25/11 01:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

thank you everybody for your input. first though, i mean no disrespect to those of you who take mushrooms for fun, i have too, and it has worked.

i've come to realized that, indeed, it has to do with the type of person you are. just because i reflect on real life issues doesn't mean i'm not enjoying myself or nevertheless taking the experience for granted.

it is just that, for me (personally), even though i might take shrooms just to have a good four hour trip, at some point of the trip, I reflect on where it is that my life is going because that is just the way that i am.

I'm aware that not everyone will feel this way, but what i do recall and hear from other peers, is that under the influence on psychedelics, we become a totally different person; a totally different person from who we are on a daily basis.

i see the mushrooms so different from anything i've ever experienced before; as it has been said sometimes, human words do no justice when describing the experience.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
    #14347174 - 04/25/11 01:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Everybody thinks about their life on psychs.

We don't become different people. We become our true selves. I've seen people literally yelling out the things that are important to them like "gotta go shopping, gotta get money, gotta do this, gotta do that" while they were tripping super balls. People put on a mask in day to day casual life, at least for the most part.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Joolz]
    #14347182 - 04/25/11 01:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
    #14348778 - 04/25/11 12:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

the idea that we somehow connect to a spirit realm on psychedelics to me is absolutely ridiculous, but as i have felt before it seems to set up a series of mirrors inside your head that bounce back thoughts and ideas over and over creating loops of thought inside your head. these thoughts when being bounced about cause you to contemplate them and look into their meaning and relation to you as a person. sometimes the ideas or feelings are so strong that they can cause huge shifts in your personality.

this may just be lower doses, on higher doses i feel even less of a spiritual connection, only strange thoughts with very little to none meaning in connection with my true state of mind.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
    #14349415 - 04/25/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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We become our true selves.



this too.




Are you not your true self when drunk or stoned or cracked out or nodding or tweaking or sober?  My true self is sober.  The other states of mind, including tripping, require my brain to be flooded with chemicals that profoundly alter my personality, my thoughts, and my behavior.  Psychedelics do not peel back the superficial you and reveal the some hidden and restrained self. 

Unless you believe your true self to be stuck in a tripping land and your sober self stranded in consensus reality.  In that case, eat your shrooms and Welcome Home (Sanitarium)!


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14349470 - 04/25/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I take psychedelics for the simultaneous thrill of fun and introspection.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14349695 - 04/25/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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this too.




Are you not your true self when drunk or stoned or cracked out or nodding or tweaking or sober?  My true self is sober.  The other states of mind, including tripping, require my brain to be flooded with chemicals that profoundly alter my personality, my thoughts, and my behavior.  Psychedelics do not peel back the superficial you and reveal the some hidden and restrained self. 

Unless you believe your true self to be stuck in a tripping land and your sober self stranded in consensus reality.  In that case, eat your shrooms and Welcome Home (Sanitarium)!




We are all flooded with hormones and chemicals that make us behave in the way we do.  These can be affected by age, gender, illness or deliberately altering our diet.  One thing that eating shrooms has done to me is question some assumptions about "normal", default or true. 

Your brain is "flooded with chemicals that profoundly alter" your personality when you are sober.  If they are not making you behave reasonably like most of the rest of the population you can be locked up and given chemicals that modify behavior until it is acceptable.

A long time ago I read an interview with Neil Young who commented that when he read a description of someone else tripping, he said "but that's what it's like for me all the time".


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14349952 - 04/25/11 04:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Are you not your true self when drunk or stoned or cracked out or nodding or tweaking or sober?  My true self is sober.  The other states of mind, including tripping, require my brain to be flooded with chemicals that profoundly alter my personality, my thoughts, and my behavior.  Psychedelics do not peel back the superficial you and reveal the some hidden and restrained self.




So what?  Just try and talk your "true self" down from an adrenalin rush. :what2::laugh2:

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14350062 - 04/25/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

it's funny to me that there are "fundamentalists" in everything from religion to the psychedelic culture. i see a lot of people on here sounding like hardcore fundys who trip out about people having spiritual experiences while taking psychedelics or, gasp!, perhaps even ascribing spirituality to their personal perspective of psychedelics.

seems to me a lot of people attempt to use science and pseudo-psycho babble to try and "prove" that there's nothing inherently spiritual about the psychedelic experience (i'm not claiming that there is anything inherently spiritual about it, but i'm open to the possibility).

why are so many almost "afraid" to live and let live? if someone wants to ascribe spirituality to the experience, then so be it. if not, then so be it as well.

i'd say get over yourselves and drop the ego trip :shrug:


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14350068 - 04/25/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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We become our true selves.



this too.




Are you not your true self when drunk or stoned or cracked out or nodding or tweaking or sober?  My true self is sober.  The other states of mind, including tripping, require my brain to be flooded with chemicals that profoundly alter my personality, my thoughts, and my behavior.  Psychedelics do not peel back the superficial you and reveal the some hidden and restrained self. 

Unless you believe your true self to be stuck in a tripping land and your sober self stranded in consensus reality.  In that case, eat your shrooms and Welcome Home (Sanitarium)!





Guess what? Your personality, thoughts and behavior are 100% dependant upon chemicals. Shocking? I know. You should probably drain all the seratonin, dopamine and other neurotransmitters from your brain to find your "true self".


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    #14350100 - 04/25/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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why are so many almost "afraid" to live and let live? if someone wants to ascribe spirituality to the experience, then so be it. if not, then so be it as well.




Exactly! I trip spiritually because it serves me well. It makes me feel good; I couldn't care less whether it's true, also because I don't think there is such a thing as a singular truth. Everything is true, so I choose this truth


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: quomaya2]
    #14350284 - 04/25/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

people who do hallucinogens for fun typically eat acid way more than shrooms...i do them just for fun,. to get fucked up, to be high for a long time, to visually trip and laugh etc etc

havent ate a decent dose of shrooms in like 3 years, acid is so much better


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Bassfreak]
    #14350409 - 04/25/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

There's a difference between introducing psychedelic chemicals into your brain to induce hallucinogenic and delusional states and the normal chemistry and functioning of your brain.  Its funny how you guys are so proud of yourselves by telling me that my brain is made of chemicals.  "Hahahaha, Joe Molloy, Checkmate!"  Oh, you got me.

If you believe that the psychedelic state or any state of intoxication is your true nature, your true self, the real you, the You that this world hasn't yet touched, then ramble on with your nonsense and get fucked up to high five your twin in hyperspace.  I'll just sit here and wallow in my ignorance then.  How close minded I am! 


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it's funny to me that there are "fundamentalists" in everything from religion to the psychedelic culture. i see a lot of people on here sounding like hardcore fundys who trip out about people having spiritual experiences while taking psychedelics or, gasp!, perhaps even ascribing spirituality to their personal perspective of psychedelics.

seems to me a lot of people attempt to use science and pseudo-psycho babble to try and "prove" that there's nothing inherently spiritual about the psychedelic experience (i'm not claiming that there is anything inherently spiritual about it, but i'm open to the possibility).

why are so many almost "afraid" to live and let live? if someone wants to ascribe spirituality to the experience, then so be it. if not, then so be it as well.

i'd say get over yourselves and drop the ego trip :shrug:




I'm open to anything.  I just need some good evidence and some convincing.  When I read superstitious silliness I can't help but respond with logic, rationality, and critical thought.  "Hey maaaaan, that's nothing but your opinion."  That's right.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14350456 - 04/25/11 05:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm open to anything.  I just need some good evidence and some convincing.  When I read superstitious silliness I can't help but respond with logic, rationality, and critical thought.  "Hey maaaaan, that's nothing but your opinion."  That's right.




this ain't a religion, Joe, no ones trying to convert you to anything.

i know all about critical thinking. i also know a bruised ego when i see one :wink:


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14350539 - 04/25/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm open to anything.  I just need some good evidence and some convincing.  When I read superstitious silliness I can't help but respond with logic, rationality, and critical thought.  "Hey maaaaan, that's nothing but your opinion."  That's right.




this ain't a religion, Joe, no ones trying to convert you to anything.

i know all about critical thinking. i also know a bruised ego when i see one :wink:




Thanks for noticing.  This bruised ego is healing nicely since I reset my Bullshit Detector.  Oh, its going off again.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14350597 - 04/25/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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If you believe that the psychedelic state or any state of intoxication is your true nature, your true self, the real you, the You that this world hasn't yet touched, then ramble on with your nonsense and get fucked up to high five your twin in hyperspace.  I'll just sit here and wallow in my ignorance then.  How close minded I am! 




If you'd really like to know, I don't think there is a true self, nor is there a normal self. You keeping making these assumptions.

Also, be careful claiming that "this reality" is the only one. What if you woke up one day, an alien in a mental insitution on planet Tralfamador, babbling about some "Earth" and the "people" there. That'd pretty much topple all of this knowledge of reality that you claim to have.

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: quomaya2]
    #14350671 - 04/25/11 06:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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If you'd really like to know, I don't think there is a true self, nor is there a normal self. You keeping making these assumptions.




Okay, now I understand.  (Not really.)


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Also, be careful claiming that "this reality" is the only one. What if you woke up one day, an alien in a mental insitution on planet Tralfamador, babbling about some "Earth" and the "people" there. That'd pretty much topple all of this knowledge of reality that you claim to have.

"Statements just seem vein" -Terrapin




Right, there may be alternate realities.  There may be invisible elves sitting on my lap, but I have no reason to believe either statement.  And neither do you.  So how should we treat speculative, imaginative, and unprovable propositions.  We ignore them and demand evidence when others claim their existence.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14350710 - 04/25/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ok, then prove reality


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Bassfreak]
    #14350805 - 04/25/11 06:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The enjoyment I derive from psychedelics is inextricably linked to the enjoyment I derive from art.

The happiest experiences I've ever had, and suspect I'll ever have, on psychedelics have been outside, in nature. Yes, it's spiritual, and yes, it's enlightening - but only in a certain sense. "Enlighten" is an interesting word, take a look at Google's definitions:

"en·light·en/enˈlītn/Verb
1. Give (someone) greater knowledge and understanding about a subject or situation.
2. Give (someone) spiritual knowledge or insight."

With regard to psychedelics, I find definition 2. startlingly more relevant than 1. I do not believe that psychedelics transmit higher knowledge to my brain; it's not like I am merely a wick without flame until psychedelics come along to ignite me, giving me greater wisdom about life. I am always a burning flame, but psychedelics can sometimes be a catalyst - gasoline or petrol to further the analogy - causing me to feel like I'm burning brighter - they give me a feeling of spiritual contentment. That, for me, is immensely enjoyable, innumerably more so than watching goofy cartoons or the Milkdrop visualizer during a trip.

To tie this full-circle, that's why I love art. Art holds a mirror up to life which allows me to perceive and ponder, which gives me a feeling of "spiritual contentment" but also of enjoyment - I wouldn't do it if it weren't "fun". Yes, I can and do do it sober, but psychedelics give you an altered perspective, which is no different to:
  • viewing life in a canvas that, using their own interpretations, an artist has painted
  • imagining life through the words that an author or poet has selected
  • observing life with the different light - figuratively and literally - that a director has filmed
  • or, perhaps best of all, feeling life through the sounds a musician has played.


I can have fun trying to outplay my friends on a football pitch or to blast their heads off on Call of Duty, but to me it's nothing compared to the spiritual fulfilment that comes of going out there and appreciating the world as it is given to us.


So now I'll stop talking in circles and answer the question directly. You want to see how psychedelics can be fun? Try both of these:

1. Take a light-to-moderate dose of your chosen psychedelic, go outside with a pen/pencil and paper or a musical instrument and interpret
and then the next time
2. Take a moderate-to-heavy dose of your chosen psychedelic, go to an area of natural beauty and just live.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: quomaya2]
    #14350807 - 04/25/11 06:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i gotta say, i sort of agree with molly.

Seems like everyone thinks they are a philosipher/psychologist/neural scientist as soon as they start taking hard drugs

Speculation is one thing, and long as its followed with a humble "I dont know"

Whats wrong with not knowing? Take what you will from your experiences, but dont assume you know any better.

I suppose:shrug:


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14350816 - 04/25/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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If you'd really like to know, I don't think there is a true self, nor is there a normal self. You keeping making these assumptions.




Okay, now I understand.  (Not really.)


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Also, be careful claiming that "this reality" is the only one. What if you woke up one day, an alien in a mental insitution on planet Tralfamador, babbling about some "Earth" and the "people" there. That'd pretty much topple all of this knowledge of reality that you claim to have.

"Statements just seem vein" -Terrapin




Right, there may be alternate realities.  There may be invisible elves sitting on my lap, but I have no reason to believe either statement.  And neither do you.  So how should we treat speculative, imaginative, and unprovable propositions.  We ignore them and demand evidence when others claim their existence.





i think you completely missed the point he was making, our reality is only relative to what we experience, if we experience something completely different then is that not a reality in itself?

don't human beings each hold their own version of what reality is?

i think it's pretty hard to be able to tell everyone that their own version of reality is incorrect because you've figured everything out.

so i guess i go to the person above me, what is reality? isn't it whatever you make it? (in terms of opinion and experience) who are you to tell someone their own experience meant nothing in relativity to themselves, it may be wrong in terms of reality outside of themselves, but inside themselves, it cannot be proven.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: thedudeman]
    #14350859 - 04/25/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Speculation is one thing, and long as its followed with a humble "I dont know"

Whats wrong with not knowing? Take what you will from your experiences, but dont assume you know any better.






That's what I've been saying! I don't know anything and neither do you, so don't judge.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14350874 - 04/25/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

oh ok, i get it now, Joe. just read through your ratings. being contrary and opinionated is a part of your whole shtick on the shroomery. explains a lot.

continue on.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14350937 - 04/25/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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oh ok, i get it now, Joe. just read through your ratings. being contrary and opinionated is a part of your whole shtick on the shroomery. explains a lot.

continue on.




Yeah, it would have to be a schtick, right?  No one could seriously question the spiritual and mystical aspects of the psychedelic experience.

Yeah, I'm just playing.  I'm just kidding when I call bullshit on certain posts in this thread.  Haha.  The joke was on you.  Ramble on, brother.  Where were we?  Oh yeah, all realities are relative, maaaaan.  What about the dude in the insane asylum who thinks there's cameras in his shower head?  "That's his reality maaaaan!  Who are you question it, Joe Molloy.  You can't prove he's delusional."  And on and on.  I need to smoke some DMT to get an accurate perspective, no?


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14351067 - 04/25/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Feeling "spirituality" on psychedelics = being in an insane asylum?


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14351123 - 04/25/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah, it would have to be a schtick, right?  No one could seriously question the spiritual and mystical aspects of the psychedelic experience.

Yeah, I'm just playing.  I'm just kidding when I call bullshit on certain posts in this thread.  Haha.  The joke was on you.  Ramble on, brother.  Where were we?  Oh yeah, all realities are relative, maaaaan.  What about the dude in the insane asylum who thinks there's cameras in his shower head?  "That's his reality maaaaan!  Who are you question it, Joe Molloy.  You can't prove he's delusional."  And on and on.  I need to smoke some DMT to get an accurate perspective, no?




um, i think you're having a conversation aside from the one we in this thread are having (what reality are you in, brah?).

i don't know anything about you "needing" to smoke some DMT. from the small glimpse of your ego that's showing through on this thread i'd say you need to chill out in general. if smoking DMT helps to facilitate you chilling out then have at it.

i don't know what you "need", only you know that. seems like you could do with a bit of humility but that's just what i can see from this side of the screen. my perspective could be all screwed up though.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14351219 - 04/25/11 07:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:rofl:


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14351231 - 04/25/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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oh ok, i get it now, Joe. just read through your ratings. being contrary and opinionated is a part of your whole shtick on the shroomery. explains a lot.

continue on.




Yeah, it would have to be a schtick, right?  No one could seriously question the spiritual and mystical aspects of the psychedelic experience.

Yeah, I'm just playing.  I'm just kidding when I call bullshit on certain posts in this thread.  Haha.  The joke was on you.  Ramble on, brother.  Where were we?  Oh yeah, all realities are relative, maaaaan.  What about the dude in the insane asylum who thinks there's cameras in his shower head?  "That's his reality maaaaan!  Who are you question it, Joe Molloy.  You can't prove he's delusional."  And on and on.  I need to smoke some DMT to get an accurate perspective, no?




Question all you want, that's what I do. It doesn't sound like you're questioning though; it sounds like you're denying.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: quomaya2]
    #14351259 - 04/25/11 07:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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ok, then prove reality





"Burn her!  She's a witch!"

"What makes you think she's a witch?"

"She turned me into a newt!"

"A newt?"

"...I got better."

"BURN HER ANYWAY!"

I get high on life, high on art, high on music, high on shrooms - no, it's not all the same and there's no reason why it should be the same, or for that matter conform to any stupid ass conceptions about what is and what isn't possible.  It's all good, much of it is spiritual, all of it's much better than bein' dead and not doin' thangs no more.

 

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14351273 - 04/25/11 07:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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ok, then prove reality





"Burn her!  She's a witch!"

"What makes you think she's a witch?"

"She turned me into a newt!"

"A newt?"

"...I got better."

"BURN HER ANYWAY!"






I don't get what you're getting at


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: quomaya2]
    #14351291 - 04/25/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oh sorry wasn't quotin' you particularly.  There are people who are always gonna shout "Burn the witches!" and there's always gonna be a few fighting to be the first one in line to light the fire with their favorite lighter from a special collection that they treasure.

Yeah, some things never change. Narrow minded people are always going to outnumber the ones interested in change, that's all.

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: quomaya2]
    #14351300 - 04/25/11 08:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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ok, then prove reality





"Burn her!  She's a witch!"

"What makes you think she's a witch?"

"She turned me into a newt!"

"A newt?"

"...I got better."

"BURN HER ANYWAY!"






I don't get what you're getting at




It's from Monty Python and The Holy Grail.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Sheeno]
    #14351302 - 04/25/11 08:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)



:laugh2:

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Sheeno]
    #14351314 - 04/25/11 08:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

that scene in the movie is epic!


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14351330 - 04/25/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ahahaha, its been way too long since ive seen that movie


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14351381 - 04/25/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I love Monty Python. Hard to choose between Life of Brian and The Holy Grail though. :grin:


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14351859 - 04/25/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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oh ok, i get it now, Joe. just read through your ratings. being contrary and opinionated is a part of your whole shtick on the shroomery. explains a lot.

continue on.




Yeah, it would have to be a schtick, right?  No one could seriously question the spiritual and mystical aspects of the psychedelic experience.

Yeah, I'm just playing.  I'm just kidding when I call bullshit on certain posts in this thread.  Haha.  The joke was on you.  Ramble on, brother.  Where were we?  Oh yeah, all realities are relative, maaaaan.  What about the dude in the insane asylum who thinks there's cameras in his shower head?  "That's his reality maaaaan!  Who are you question it, Joe Molloy.  You can't prove he's delusional."  And on and on.  I need to smoke some DMT to get an accurate perspective, no?





I wish you were on the Facebook dmt site... you would have a field day.
everyday there are peeps talking like they have it all figured out its really gross. If anyone has time scroll down to someone named Nicholas. he has left like 10-20 comments that are so retarded. and peeps are very impressed with what he is saying. and people like him on the FB site think they are unlocking undiscovered truths.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: FUTURIST]
    #14351954 - 04/25/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That guy's got massive delusions, he's acting like a prophet. At least that Dave guy is trying to make him simmer down, but he's too absorbed in himself to listen...

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: jellyfish]
    #14352154 - 04/25/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I am in the early stages and enjoy low doses (< or = 2g). I am astonished at the beauty of music and the relief from high anxiety that lasts for a few days.  Time stops for a few hours and if I am with a friend we strengthen the relationship and bond. I don't care to worry about higher doses ATM.  We'll see.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
    #14352356 - 04/25/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I used to trip for fun until it became like work. Now every time I do mushrooms I get into some deep psychological work. I think I prefer this to just doing it for fun.

I still like to do LSD for fun, it doesn't have the same effect on me as the mushrooms.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: 1983]
    #14355530 - 04/26/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I wish you were on the Facebook dmt site... you would have a field day.
everyday there are peeps talking like they have it all figured out its really gross. If anyone has time scroll down to someone named Nicholas. he has left like 10-20 comments that are so retarded. and peeps are very impressed with what he is saying. and people like him on the FB site think they are unlocking undiscovered truths.




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That guy's got massive delusions, he's acting like a prophet. At least that Dave guy is trying to make him simmer down, but he's too absorbed in himself to listen...

Just shows that you CAN do too many dr00gz.




Yeah, that guy may have been zonked out of his gourd before he touched DMT, but the drug certainly can exacerbate that type of thinking.

Actually most of the stuff on that page is pretty intense.  Those are people who have created and joined the new religion, they're gone.

Or maybe they're onto something...


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14355735 - 04/26/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This new dmt movement is like scientology or something. I can't believe how many people think that movie is amazing...  or the way to enlightenment. That movie is just a bunch of trip reports slapped together. There isn't really anything that the movie can teach you... its very strange all comments everyday.... like now I know the truth!


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: FUTURIST]
    #14355835 - 04/26/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yeah, i'm not into the whole "dmt movement". haven't watched the movie. haven't experienced DMT. not super anxious to either. i checked out that Spirit Molecule facebook page and wow, looks like some desperate people stalking that page.

a very similar thing happened when LSD became popularized. I mean look at Leary and how he basically became the self described "high priest" of acid.

i just finished reading "Orange Sunshine" (it was about the Brotherhood of Eternal Love) and these guys were all about making a religion out of the LSD experience. they truly believed it could "turn the whole world on".


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: FUTURIST]
    #14356559 - 04/26/11 05:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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This new dmt movement is like scientology or something. I can't believe how many people think that movie is amazing...  or the way to enlightenment. That movie is just a bunch of trip reports slapped together. There isn't really anything that the movie can teach you... its very strange all comments everyday.... like now I know the truth!





You're damn right.  I was waiting for that movie for years and when it came out it really was a bunch of trip reports haphazardly slapped together.  I turned it off after about 30 minutes.  I think even in the middle of heavy psychedelic obsession phase, I still would have thought the movie was crap.


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yeah, i'm not into the whole "dmt movement". haven't watched the movie. haven't experienced DMT. not super anxious to either. i checked out that Spirit Molecule facebook page and wow, looks like some desperate people stalking that page.




Yeah, its real strange.  Even some of the most far out shroomerites aren't that far gone yet.  It's powerful stuff, DMT, and mixing it with fanaticism and religious fervor just potentiates extreme personalities and behavior.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14359977 - 04/27/11 08:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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gerryjarcia said:
yeah, i'm not into the whole "dmt movement". haven't watched the movie. haven't experienced DMT. not super anxious to either. i checked out that Spirit Molecule facebook page and wow, looks like some desperate people stalking that page.

a very similar thing happened when LSD became popularized. I mean look at Leary and how he basically became the self described "high priest" of acid.

i just finished reading "Orange Sunshine" (it was about the Brotherhood of Eternal Love) and these guys were all about making a religion out of the LSD experience. they truly believed it could "turn the whole world on".




man, that sucks. i haven't a clue as to this "dmt movement" that you're talking about, but if it's ruining someone's inclination to even see what it's about, that's pretty bad.

i'd never claim to definitively know anything about what the experience implies, but dmt has undoubtedly changed the way i look at the world, and i think it's something that most people should do three times.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: millzy]
    #14359990 - 04/27/11 08:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

btw, if anyone could provide me a link to the fb group i'd appreciate it.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14360017 - 04/27/11 08:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You're damn right.  I was waiting for that movie for years and when it came out it really was a bunch of trip reports haphazardly slapped together.  I turned it off after about 30 minutes.  I think even in the middle of heavy psychedelic obsession phase, I still would have thought the movie was crap.




i was disappointed myself. too much speculation, not enough science, not enough of the story of the actual research. my friend put it best when he said that "this should've been a movie made for my dad, not me". i wanted a nova episode, not 'what the bleep'. plus, i can't stand daniel pinchbeck and douglas rushkoff. i'm completely befuddled as to how either one of them has status as icons.

the book still stands as great though.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: millzy]
    #14360286 - 04/27/11 09:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The movie was just trip reports slapped together...:thumbdown:

and you don't need a link to the FB site just go to fb and type in DMT.


Edited by FUTURIST (04/27/11 09:47 AM)


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