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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
#14349695 - 04/25/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Joolz said: We become our true selves.
this too.
Are you not your true self when drunk or stoned or cracked out or nodding or tweaking or sober? My true self is sober. The other states of mind, including tripping, require my brain to be flooded with chemicals that profoundly alter my personality, my thoughts, and my behavior. Psychedelics do not peel back the superficial you and reveal the some hidden and restrained self.
Unless you believe your true self to be stuck in a tripping land and your sober self stranded in consensus reality. In that case, eat your shrooms and Welcome Home (Sanitarium)!
We are all flooded with hormones and chemicals that make us behave in the way we do. These can be affected by age, gender, illness or deliberately altering our diet. One thing that eating shrooms has done to me is question some assumptions about "normal", default or true.
Your brain is "flooded with chemicals that profoundly alter" your personality when you are sober. If they are not making you behave reasonably like most of the rest of the population you can be locked up and given chemicals that modify behavior until it is acceptable.
A long time ago I read an interview with Neil Young who commented that when he read a description of someone else tripping, he said "but that's what it's like for me all the time".
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
#14349952 - 04/25/11 04:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Are you not your true self when drunk or stoned or cracked out or nodding or tweaking or sober? My true self is sober. The other states of mind, including tripping, require my brain to be flooded with chemicals that profoundly alter my personality, my thoughts, and my behavior. Psychedelics do not peel back the superficial you and reveal the some hidden and restrained self.
So what? Just try and talk your "true self" down from an adrenalin rush.  
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: PrimalSoup]
#14350062 - 04/25/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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it's funny to me that there are "fundamentalists" in everything from religion to the psychedelic culture. i see a lot of people on here sounding like hardcore fundys who trip out about people having spiritual experiences while taking psychedelics or, gasp!, perhaps even ascribing spirituality to their personal perspective of psychedelics.
seems to me a lot of people attempt to use science and pseudo-psycho babble to try and "prove" that there's nothing inherently spiritual about the psychedelic experience (i'm not claiming that there is anything inherently spiritual about it, but i'm open to the possibility).
why are so many almost "afraid" to live and let live? if someone wants to ascribe spirituality to the experience, then so be it. if not, then so be it as well.
i'd say get over yourselves and drop the ego trip
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
#14350068 - 04/25/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Joolz said: We become our true selves.
this too.
Are you not your true self when drunk or stoned or cracked out or nodding or tweaking or sober? My true self is sober. The other states of mind, including tripping, require my brain to be flooded with chemicals that profoundly alter my personality, my thoughts, and my behavior. Psychedelics do not peel back the superficial you and reveal the some hidden and restrained self.
Unless you believe your true self to be stuck in a tripping land and your sober self stranded in consensus reality. In that case, eat your shrooms and Welcome Home (Sanitarium)!
Guess what? Your personality, thoughts and behavior are 100% dependant upon chemicals. Shocking? I know. You should probably drain all the seratonin, dopamine and other neurotransmitters from your brain to find your "true self".
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14350100 - 04/25/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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gerryjarcia said: why are so many almost "afraid" to live and let live? if someone wants to ascribe spirituality to the experience, then so be it. if not, then so be it as well.
Exactly! I trip spiritually because it serves me well. It makes me feel good; I couldn't care less whether it's true, also because I don't think there is such a thing as a singular truth. Everything is true, so I choose this truth
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: quomaya2]
#14350284 - 04/25/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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people who do hallucinogens for fun typically eat acid way more than shrooms...i do them just for fun,. to get fucked up, to be high for a long time, to visually trip and laugh etc etc
havent ate a decent dose of shrooms in like 3 years, acid is so much better
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joemolloy
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Bassfreak]
#14350409 - 04/25/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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There's a difference between introducing psychedelic chemicals into your brain to induce hallucinogenic and delusional states and the normal chemistry and functioning of your brain. Its funny how you guys are so proud of yourselves by telling me that my brain is made of chemicals. "Hahahaha, Joe Molloy, Checkmate!" Oh, you got me.
If you believe that the psychedelic state or any state of intoxication is your true nature, your true self, the real you, the You that this world hasn't yet touched, then ramble on with your nonsense and get fucked up to high five your twin in hyperspace. I'll just sit here and wallow in my ignorance then. How close minded I am!
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it's funny to me that there are "fundamentalists" in everything from religion to the psychedelic culture. i see a lot of people on here sounding like hardcore fundys who trip out about people having spiritual experiences while taking psychedelics or, gasp!, perhaps even ascribing spirituality to their personal perspective of psychedelics.
seems to me a lot of people attempt to use science and pseudo-psycho babble to try and "prove" that there's nothing inherently spiritual about the psychedelic experience (i'm not claiming that there is anything inherently spiritual about it, but i'm open to the possibility).
why are so many almost "afraid" to live and let live? if someone wants to ascribe spirituality to the experience, then so be it. if not, then so be it as well.
i'd say get over yourselves and drop the ego trip 
I'm open to anything. I just need some good evidence and some convincing. When I read superstitious silliness I can't help but respond with logic, rationality, and critical thought. "Hey maaaaan, that's nothing but your opinion." That's right.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
#14350456 - 04/25/11 05:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: I'm open to anything. I just need some good evidence and some convincing. When I read superstitious silliness I can't help but respond with logic, rationality, and critical thought. "Hey maaaaan, that's nothing but your opinion." That's right.
this ain't a religion, Joe, no ones trying to convert you to anything.
i know all about critical thinking. i also know a bruised ego when i see one
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joemolloy
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14350539 - 04/25/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: I'm open to anything. I just need some good evidence and some convincing. When I read superstitious silliness I can't help but respond with logic, rationality, and critical thought. "Hey maaaaan, that's nothing but your opinion." That's right.
this ain't a religion, Joe, no ones trying to convert you to anything.
i know all about critical thinking. i also know a bruised ego when i see one 
Thanks for noticing. This bruised ego is healing nicely since I reset my Bullshit Detector. Oh, its going off again.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14350597 - 04/25/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you believe that the psychedelic state or any state of intoxication is your true nature, your true self, the real you, the You that this world hasn't yet touched, then ramble on with your nonsense and get fucked up to high five your twin in hyperspace. I'll just sit here and wallow in my ignorance then. How close minded I am!
If you'd really like to know, I don't think there is a true self, nor is there a normal self. You keeping making these assumptions.
Also, be careful claiming that "this reality" is the only one. What if you woke up one day, an alien in a mental insitution on planet Tralfamador, babbling about some "Earth" and the "people" there. That'd pretty much topple all of this knowledge of reality that you claim to have.
"Statements just seem vein" -Terrapin
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joemolloy
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: quomaya2]
#14350671 - 04/25/11 06:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you'd really like to know, I don't think there is a true self, nor is there a normal self. You keeping making these assumptions.
Okay, now I understand. (Not really.)
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Also, be careful claiming that "this reality" is the only one. What if you woke up one day, an alien in a mental insitution on planet Tralfamador, babbling about some "Earth" and the "people" there. That'd pretty much topple all of this knowledge of reality that you claim to have.
"Statements just seem vein" -Terrapin
Right, there may be alternate realities. There may be invisible elves sitting on my lap, but I have no reason to believe either statement. And neither do you. So how should we treat speculative, imaginative, and unprovable propositions. We ignore them and demand evidence when others claim their existence.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
#14350710 - 04/25/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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ok, then prove reality
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Bassfreak]
#14350805 - 04/25/11 06:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The enjoyment I derive from psychedelics is inextricably linked to the enjoyment I derive from art.
The happiest experiences I've ever had, and suspect I'll ever have, on psychedelics have been outside, in nature. Yes, it's spiritual, and yes, it's enlightening - but only in a certain sense. "Enlighten" is an interesting word, take a look at Google's definitions:
"en·light·en/enˈlītn/Verb 1. Give (someone) greater knowledge and understanding about a subject or situation. 2. Give (someone) spiritual knowledge or insight."
With regard to psychedelics, I find definition 2. startlingly more relevant than 1. I do not believe that psychedelics transmit higher knowledge to my brain; it's not like I am merely a wick without flame until psychedelics come along to ignite me, giving me greater wisdom about life. I am always a burning flame, but psychedelics can sometimes be a catalyst - gasoline or petrol to further the analogy - causing me to feel like I'm burning brighter - they give me a feeling of spiritual contentment. That, for me, is immensely enjoyable, innumerably more so than watching goofy cartoons or the Milkdrop visualizer during a trip.
To tie this full-circle, that's why I love art. Art holds a mirror up to life which allows me to perceive and ponder, which gives me a feeling of "spiritual contentment" but also of enjoyment - I wouldn't do it if it weren't "fun". Yes, I can and do do it sober, but psychedelics give you an altered perspective, which is no different to:
- viewing life in a canvas that, using their own interpretations, an artist has painted
- imagining life through the words that an author or poet has selected
- observing life with the different light - figuratively and literally - that a director has filmed
- or, perhaps best of all, feeling life through the sounds a musician has played.
I can have fun trying to outplay my friends on a football pitch or to blast their heads off on Call of Duty, but to me it's nothing compared to the spiritual fulfilment that comes of going out there and appreciating the world as it is given to us.
So now I'll stop talking in circles and answer the question directly. You want to see how psychedelics can be fun? Try both of these:
1. Take a light-to-moderate dose of your chosen psychedelic, go outside with a pen/pencil and paper or a musical instrument and interpret and then the next time 2. Take a moderate-to-heavy dose of your chosen psychedelic, go to an area of natural beauty and just live.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: quomaya2]
#14350807 - 04/25/11 06:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i gotta say, i sort of agree with molly.
Seems like everyone thinks they are a philosipher/psychologist/neural scientist as soon as they start taking hard drugs
Speculation is one thing, and long as its followed with a humble "I dont know"
Whats wrong with not knowing? Take what you will from your experiences, but dont assume you know any better.
I suppose
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
#14350816 - 04/25/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you'd really like to know, I don't think there is a true self, nor is there a normal self. You keeping making these assumptions.
Okay, now I understand. (Not really.)
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Also, be careful claiming that "this reality" is the only one. What if you woke up one day, an alien in a mental insitution on planet Tralfamador, babbling about some "Earth" and the "people" there. That'd pretty much topple all of this knowledge of reality that you claim to have.
"Statements just seem vein" -Terrapin
Right, there may be alternate realities. There may be invisible elves sitting on my lap, but I have no reason to believe either statement. And neither do you. So how should we treat speculative, imaginative, and unprovable propositions. We ignore them and demand evidence when others claim their existence.
i think you completely missed the point he was making, our reality is only relative to what we experience, if we experience something completely different then is that not a reality in itself?
don't human beings each hold their own version of what reality is?
i think it's pretty hard to be able to tell everyone that their own version of reality is incorrect because you've figured everything out.
so i guess i go to the person above me, what is reality? isn't it whatever you make it? (in terms of opinion and experience) who are you to tell someone their own experience meant nothing in relativity to themselves, it may be wrong in terms of reality outside of themselves, but inside themselves, it cannot be proven.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: thedudeman]
#14350859 - 04/25/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Speculation is one thing, and long as its followed with a humble "I dont know"
Whats wrong with not knowing? Take what you will from your experiences, but dont assume you know any better.
That's what I've been saying! I don't know anything and neither do you, so don't judge.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
#14350874 - 04/25/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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oh ok, i get it now, Joe. just read through your ratings. being contrary and opinionated is a part of your whole shtick on the shroomery. explains a lot.
continue on.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14350937 - 04/25/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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gerryjarcia said: oh ok, i get it now, Joe. just read through your ratings. being contrary and opinionated is a part of your whole shtick on the shroomery. explains a lot.
continue on.
Yeah, it would have to be a schtick, right? No one could seriously question the spiritual and mystical aspects of the psychedelic experience.
Yeah, I'm just playing. I'm just kidding when I call bullshit on certain posts in this thread. Haha. The joke was on you. Ramble on, brother. Where were we? Oh yeah, all realities are relative, maaaaan. What about the dude in the insane asylum who thinks there's cameras in his shower head? "That's his reality maaaaan! Who are you question it, Joe Molloy. You can't prove he's delusional." And on and on. I need to smoke some DMT to get an accurate perspective, no?
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
#14351067 - 04/25/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Feeling "spirituality" on psychedelics = being in an insane asylum?
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
#14351123 - 04/25/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, it would have to be a schtick, right? No one could seriously question the spiritual and mystical aspects of the psychedelic experience.
Yeah, I'm just playing. I'm just kidding when I call bullshit on certain posts in this thread. Haha. The joke was on you. Ramble on, brother. Where were we? Oh yeah, all realities are relative, maaaaan. What about the dude in the insane asylum who thinks there's cameras in his shower head? "That's his reality maaaaan! Who are you question it, Joe Molloy. You can't prove he's delusional." And on and on. I need to smoke some DMT to get an accurate perspective, no?
um, i think you're having a conversation aside from the one we in this thread are having (what reality are you in, brah?).
i don't know anything about you "needing" to smoke some DMT. from the small glimpse of your ego that's showing through on this thread i'd say you need to chill out in general. if smoking DMT helps to facilitate you chilling out then have at it.
i don't know what you "need", only you know that. seems like you could do with a bit of humility but that's just what i can see from this side of the screen. my perspective could be all screwed up though.
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