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Adding moisture to Vermiculite..
    #14331323 - 04/22/11 01:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I talked to another member a while ago who used only vermiculite as a substrate... He had a great run with it too. So I decided to try it myself.. I have vermiculite but its dry. How would I go about adding moisture without sterilizing? I've done a couple runs before but it's been a while, Im still pretty new.

I'm also considering mixing it with maybe 30% soil, maybe I will do 2 bins with soil/verm  mix and 2 with just vermiculite as a substrate.


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Re: Adding moisture to Vermiculite.. [Re: 420service]
    #14331327 - 04/22/11 01:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

spores to verm?

probly wont work.

you need to sterilize substrates with heat.
usually steam is used.

pressure cookers are the best.


what soil are you planning on using?


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Re: Adding moisture to Vermiculite.. [Re: k00laid]
    #14331351 - 04/22/11 01:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

no i have some rye grain bags that are colonizing and almost ready, was going to put them into bins with verm.

I was thinking about using high mountain compost one of our vendors for the soil


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Re: Adding moisture to Vermiculite.. [Re: 420service]
    #14331541 - 04/22/11 02:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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no i have some rye grain bags that are colonizing and almost ready, was going to put them into bins with verm.

I was thinking about using high mountain compost one of our vendors for the soil





Done this before...straight grains mixed with pasteurized verm works fine.  It adds moisture.  Certainly not as great as getting some poo but it works fine.  Also high mountain compost is the SHIT!  I do all my own past. and stuff now but when I wasnt and when I dont have the time or energy to do a lot I still order from them to fill in the gaps in my poo production.  They have a great product and it usually gets to me ina  day or two (and im across the country).  Plus, their poo has always lasted me 4-5 flushes before I contam or see a difference in flush size...I dunno what they do, but they do it well haha Pricey for poo but hey, it's what ya get for not wanting to do it urself lol


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Re: Adding moisture to Vermiculite.. [Re: 420service]
    #14331572 - 04/22/11 02:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I talked to another member a while ago who used only vermiculite as a substrate... He had a great run with it too. So I decided to try it myself.. I have vermiculite but its dry. How would I go about adding moisture without sterilizing? I've done a couple runs before but it's been a while, Im still pretty new.

I'm also considering mixing it with maybe 30% soil, maybe I will do 2 bins with soil/verm  mix and 2 with just vermiculite as a substrate.





that did not happen.

all of this is horrid.:rebeccablack:


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Re: Adding moisture to Vermiculite.. [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14331582 - 04/22/11 02:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I talked to another member a while ago who used only vermiculite as a substrate... He had a great run with it too. So I decided to try it myself.. I have vermiculite but its dry. How would I go about adding moisture without sterilizing? I've done a couple runs before but it's been a while, Im still pretty new.

I'm also considering mixing it with maybe 30% soil, maybe I will do 2 bins with soil/verm  mix and 2 with just vermiculite as a substrate.





that did not happen.

all of this is horrid.:rebeccablack:





What part about this is horrid?  If you pasteurize verm you can mix it with the wbs.  Soil on the other hand...well yeah haha Since the OP mentioned using HMC to get his "soil" I was assuming he meant compost or poo not dirt haha  Just trying to figure out what you mean by that last post haha

No matter what though when doing a bulk it should never be sterelized, only pasteurized (some exceptions for certain gourmets and stuff).  This little tid but is for the OP cause I know you know all this already LTSE haha


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Re: Adding moisture to Vermiculite.. [Re: crp32008]
    #14331605 - 04/22/11 03:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I guess, but from that post it seemed like he was talking about like a solid verm cake or some shit.


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Re: Adding moisture to Vermiculite.. [Re: 420service]
    #14331608 - 04/22/11 03:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

OOOOO I see what you saw...yeah, later the OP says this
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no i have some rye grain bags that are colonizing and almost ready, was going to put them into bins with verm.

I was thinking about using high mountain compost one of our vendors for the soil



For a sec I was like wtf mate haha but then I realized you might not have seen this post.  But yeah, you're right, if it was pf cakes def not! :lmafo:


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Re: Adding moisture to Vermiculite.. [Re: crp32008]
    #14331877 - 04/22/11 06:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The vermiculite I bought is sterile. Do i need to heat it or do anything to it before mixing it with the rye grain and putting it in the bins?


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Re: Adding moisture to Vermiculite.. [Re: 420service]
    #14331901 - 04/22/11 06:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The vermiculite I bought is sterile.



no, i dont think so.

anyway, you should pasteurize the verm with your bulk substrate,

then mixing it with your spawn.

by doing so, you can adjust moisture content of the bulk substrate better than mixing in the dry verm (which will absorb a certain amount of water).


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Re: Adding moisture to Vermiculite.. [Re: higgledy-piggledy]
    #14332023 - 04/22/11 07:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The vermiculite I bought is sterile.



no, i dont think so.

anyway, you should pasteurize the verm with your bulk substrate,

then mixing it with your spawn.

by doing so, you can adjust moisture content of the bulk substrate better than mixing in the dry verm (which will absorb a certain amount of water).



H-P is right, it is FAR from sterile haha It just has no nutrients so you don't see that but I assure you, add some water without pasteurizing and youll always get some sort of contam.

There are a lot of teks on here that talk about how to pasteurize.  In fact, pasteurizing is the easy part compared to getting healthy spawn haha  So mix your verm in at a 10-20 percent volume compared to your substrate (poo, cior, compost.  The mixing is done dry.  You then boil water and when it comes to a boil turn off the stove, put your mix in for 90 minutes or so, take out and strain to field capacity.  MAKE SURE IT IS FIELD capacity.  If it is too wet you will get contams.  Once youve strained and squezzed it to the right moisture content then mix it up with your spawn and do whatever set up you're doing.


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Re: Adding moisture to Vermiculite.. [Re: crp32008]
    #14332732 - 04/22/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The compost is already pasteurized. I think i read a post somewhere about putting verm into jars with a bit of water and microwaving to pasteurize them.. does that sound right or no?


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Re: Adding moisture to Vermiculite.. [Re: 420service]
    #14333104 - 04/22/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

when microwaving something then i doubt there will be living organisms left.


its more effort to prepare verm and bulk substrate separate than mixing it and pasteurizing all at once.

so why not doing that?


well, since you already pasteurized your sub then i think the issue is over;

next time i recommend the "all in 1" method :cool:.

it works.


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Re: Adding moisture to Vermiculite.. [Re: 420service]
    #14333867 - 04/22/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The compost is already pasteurized. I think i read a post somewhere about putting verm into jars with a bit of water and microwaving to pasteurize them.. does that sound right or no?




Ah right, you were ordering the HMC right?  Well if thats the case then they have verm already in it. Along with a lot of other good additives. So forget the verm all together. You don't need it if they already have it and you don't need a casing layer for this type of mushroom


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Re: Adding moisture to Vermiculite.. [Re: crp32008]
    #14334530 - 04/22/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oh yea HMC i didnt know they had verm in it already.. thats pretty nice.!


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Re: Adding moisture to Vermiculite.. [Re: 420service]
    #14334542 - 04/22/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah man, they hook it up for sure.  Good shit and good guys.  They have a couple more additives in it too. So pretty much, you get your box from them, open it, throw ur spawn in, mix and put into the colonization trey or mono and even it out and ur done...no real hassle at all


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Re: Adding moisture to Vermiculite.. [Re: 420service]
    #14334865 - 04/22/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

do you know how much of the 10lb bag is vermiculite? like what 20% maybe?
Im still thinking of doing 2 with straight verm and 2 bins compost


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Re: Adding moisture to Vermiculite.. [Re: 420service]
    #14334892 - 04/22/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Theyll be able to tell you.  Its probably 10-20 percent.  Thats the standard for vendors to put in and what's reccomended (though I put 30-40 percent sometimes...waiting to get flammed for saying that).  I have reasoning behind it but a lot of times what we tell people as advice is the most simple and straight forward thing because the hobby is intimidating so we standardize some stuff.  Once you have done all ur fucking around and find out which way you like to grow for yourself, youll start doing things differently based on what works for you.

I def encourage messing around with seeing if verm and wbs works (it does from first hand experience). The only thing I dont encourage is putting all ur eggs in one basket which it seems like your being good about by doing 2 tubs one way and 2 the other.  Right on bro:thumbup:


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Re: Adding moisture to Vermiculite.. [Re: crp32008]
    #14334999 - 04/22/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Has anybody used these sites for manure/compost?
http://www.mi-sub.com/Pasteurized-Substrates_c_7.html

http://www.headypoo.com/

High mountain seems good but its pricey as hell.. These other 2 sites were much cheaper


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Re: Adding moisture to Vermiculite.. [Re: 420service]
    #14335028 - 04/22/11 07:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

They look fine but I always stick with vendors cause if something goes wrong you can work it out with them easier.  Plus, you use this place for knowledge right?  Why not give back to the people who have taught you...all the vendors here are, for the most part, longstanding and goodstanding members of the shroomery and have put blood, sweat, tears, and sometimes risked prison time into sharing their knowledge and resources.  Not bustin you or anything, just rationalizing why I go with vendors and am ok with some of the prices.


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