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Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate?
    #14330687 - 04/21/11 11:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

No really, what have you?

I always like to bring up the verse that says ye who damage the earth shall burn in hell for all eternity or how god killed over a million people in the bible simply for not believing in him.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14330701 - 04/21/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

for one in the bible the dinosaurs are never mentioned.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14330716 - 04/21/11 11:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Simply put, its impossible. You can't debate religion as it is based on FAITH and not LOGIC. Therefore it is impossible to logically debate about religion. I realized this a while back and simply stopped arguing or talking about religion with my religious friends.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Kinko]
    #14330717 - 04/21/11 11:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

they have no proof!

i've been shown the place we all live in between mortal lives, a place that i only know as home. and though that was an incredibly relevant experience to me, i never talk about it because i have no proof!


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Kinko]
    #14330729 - 04/21/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

whats that got to do with shit?

also

why did your mind go "religious person" = "christian"

I'm worried for you.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Larrythescaryrex] * 3
    #14330741 - 04/21/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lol really? it's implicit in the whole OP. don't act like you're above that shit or something.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: dummy]
    #14330750 - 04/21/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

nobodies talkin' to you.


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invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
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mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: dummy]
    #14330753 - 04/21/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:strokebeard:


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14330755 - 04/21/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
No really, what have you?

I always like to bring up the verse that says ye who damage the earth shall burn in hell for all eternity or how god killed over a million people in the bible simply for not believing in him.





actually, it looks like i'm wrong, it's explicitly stated in the OP. no one's talking to me because i'm pointing out your douchbaggery.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14330762 - 04/21/11 11:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Im not talking completely destroy them I found that utterly impossible but I love pointing out massive contradictions between there holy text and the history of earth and what not and watching them sputtering out the word faith in response.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: dummy]
    #14330763 - 04/21/11 11:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you can work in a "god works in mysterious ways" it will usually throw them off. I can be a bit hard to slide that one into conversation, but using their own arguments against them seems to frustrate them, and cause them to fall back on "it's all about faith"

Then you can sometimes counter that with "what about the people from other religions who have faith that they are right?"


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14330766 - 04/21/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

By even beginning an argument, you have lost.

If religious people could be reasoned with.....

wait for it


THERE WOULD BE NO RELIGIOUS PEOPLE!


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14330775 - 04/21/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Larrythescaryrex said:
whats that got to do with shit?
god did create dinosaurs did he not?

also

why did your mind go "religious person" = "christian"
what other religion is there?


I'm worried for you.



i am also.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: just me] * 1
    #14330783 - 04/21/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Jehovah Witnesses came to my door today. I actually talked to them for about 30 minutes about Buddhism and Taoism. I was respectful and they shook my hand and told me I was a good guy and to keep on doing what I'm doing lol. I told them to come back anytime.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: just me]
    #14330796 - 04/21/11 11:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

children.

the way to do this, if you must, is to actually use the bible itself.

For example, christains say jesus was perfect.

please point out the following:

mark 3:10
mark 8:22

other examples possible.


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invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
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relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Kada]
    #14330797 - 04/21/11 11:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Really, trying to talk a religious person out of their beliefs..... What if some bible beater tried to talk you out of psychedelics? Would you EVER honestly listen?

No, just let them live their horrible, jaded lives....


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14330808 - 04/21/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't understand why christians try so hard to prove God exists when the bible says to wipe the sand from your feet if someone refuses to listen to the word of God :shrug: It's not about if God exists or not. It's about his love for his people and how much he gave up so he could someday bring his people home. There is a lack of love in this world and it'll bring about the end sure enough.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Kada]
    #14330813 - 04/21/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Jehovah Witnesses came to my door today. I actually talked to them for about 30 minutes about Buddhism and Taoism. I was respectful and they shook my hand and told me I was a good guy and to keep on doing what I'm doing lol. I told them to come back anytime.




More people need to follow your example. Everyone should be able to have faith in their own religion without being attacked. Having faith in something means you don't need logic or historic facts to back up your beliefs, this includes Atheist.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14330817 - 04/21/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

also, the old testament is basically a history of the jews, so dinosaurs are not completely relavent. No reason for them to be included.

Everyone knowns that dinosaurs were in the garden of eden and only started eating meat after the fall of man.

Haven't any of you gone to the creation museum?


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invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14330822 - 04/21/11 11:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

it's obvious. they seek positive affirmation from those outside of their cult. naturally, their only savior from their delusion is to label non believers something negative.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14330826 - 04/21/11 11:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Larrythescaryrex said:
children.

the way to do this, if you must, is to actually use the bible itself.

For example, christains say jesus was perfect.

please point out the following:

mark 3:10
mark 8:22

other examples possible.




He took the blind man by the hand and led him outside the village. When he had spit on the man’s eyes

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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14330836 - 04/21/11 11:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

no, its funnier if you include that it didn't work the first time so he did it again.


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"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Kada]
    #14330839 - 04/21/11 11:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

why did god create penises and anuses if they were never meant to meet?


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: dummy]
    #14330842 - 04/21/11 11:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I didn't say anything negative about non-believers. The bible says to leave them alone and let them live their lives the way they want.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14330858 - 04/21/11 11:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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also, the old testament is basically a history of the jews, so dinosaurs are not completely relavent. No reason for them to be included.

Everyone knowns that dinosaurs were in the garden of eden and only started eating meat after the fall of man.

Haven't any of you gone to the creation museum?



they werent included because in the timeframe of which the bible was written , nobody knew they even existed.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14330865 - 04/21/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I didn't say anything negative about non-believers. The bible says to leave them alone and let them live their lives the way they want.



:lol:


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14330867 - 04/21/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i know but what i'm saying is that christians will often try to convince others to convert, because when they get that to happen they derive a sense of positive affirmation that others believe their god exists. but when the person refuses their religion, christians will sometimes revert to 'put downs' like sinner or devil's cock sucker to make themselves feel better about their completely ungrounded beliefs.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Kinko]
    #14330872 - 04/21/11 11:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

thats just plain dumb.


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verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14330879 - 04/21/11 11:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I didn't say anything negative about non-believers. The bible says to leave them alone and let them live their lives the way they want.




Are you sure about that Im pretty sure theres at least twenty or so verses where god explicitly tells his followers to go massacre a bunch of non believers


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14330894 - 04/21/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yeah, but those were SPECIFIC nonbelievers, not random ones.


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"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
April 24th 2011


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Kinko]
    #14330901 - 04/21/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I believe dinosaurs were average reptiles with much longer lifespans. There was no pollution or human inference so they continued to grow big and grow old. Reptiles don't stop growing throughout their lives so you can imagine a 500 year old lizard would be enormous.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14330909 - 04/21/11 11:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I believe dinosaurs were average reptiles with much longer lifespans. There was no pollution or human inference so they continued to grow big and grow old. Reptiles don't stop growing throughout their lives so you can imagine a 500 year old lizard would be enormous.



yea now you get it , they evolved.
same as monkeys to humans.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Kinko]
    #14330914 - 04/21/11 11:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

so you think evolution is individual change within a single organism's lifespan?

:picard:


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"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
April 24th 2011


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14330918 - 04/21/11 11:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Larrythescaryrex said:
yeah, but those were SPECIFIC nonbelievers, not random ones.



fine you win

how many human lives has god taken? 5,000,000,000
how many human lives has satan taken? 0.0000000000000000000.00000x100


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14330926 - 04/21/11 11:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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so you think evolution is individual change within a single organism's lifespan?

:picard:



i was only making a point , evolution is real and god is not.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14330927 - 04/21/11 11:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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No really, what have you?





you obviously shouldnt be in this debate... and really, why would you care?


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Kinko]
    #14330929 - 04/21/11 11:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

Larrythescaryrex said:
yeah, but those were SPECIFIC nonbelievers, not random ones.



fine you win

how many human lives has god taken? 5,000,000,000
how many human lives has satan taken? 0.0000000000000000000.00000x100





you obviously dont know the bible


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Kinko]
    #14330930 - 04/21/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

he's just trying to put you down like the Christians.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Kinko]
    #14330932 - 04/21/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

you made your point poorly.

also, why are evolution and god mutually exclusive? Because your preconcieved notions of what god is demand it?


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verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
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relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14330936 - 04/21/11 11:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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LadyLittleZeppelin said:
I believe dinosaurs were average reptiles with much longer lifespans. There was no pollution or human inference so they continued to grow big and grow old. Reptiles don't stop growing throughout their lives so you can imagine a 500 year old lizard would be enormous.



I remember hearing they, and all sorts of things like bugs, grew bigger due to a higher level of oxygen in the enviroment.  :shrug:


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Kinko]
    #14330938 - 04/21/11 11:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not seeing the monkey-human connection :shrug: If monkey's evolved why are they still monkeys and we are human?


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14330943 - 04/21/11 11:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14330960 - 04/21/11 11:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm not seeing the monkey-human connection :shrug: If monkey's evolved why are they still monkeys and we are human?



same reason there are ostriches and penguins.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: donteatasians]
    #14330964 - 04/21/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I believe dinosaurs were average reptiles with much longer lifespans. There was no pollution or human inference so they continued to grow big and grow old. Reptiles don't stop growing throughout their lives so you can imagine a 500 year old lizard would be enormous.



I remember hearing they, and all sorts of things like bugs, grew bigger due to a higher level of oxygen in the enviroment.  :shrug:




:thumbup: I've heard that before. Wouldn't want to light a match back in the day :awesome:


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: dummy]
    #14330973 - 04/21/11 11:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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LadyLittleZeppelin said:
I'm not seeing the monkey-human connection :shrug: If monkey's evolved why are they still monkeys and we are human?



same reason there are ostriches and penguins.




You are comparing ostriches and penguins to monkeys and humans? :facepalm:


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14330975 - 04/21/11 11:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

hahahaha :facepalm:


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: dummy]
    #14330980 - 04/21/11 11:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeahhh hahahaha :facepalm:


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14330982 - 04/21/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm not seeing the monkey-human connection :shrug: If monkey's evolved why are they still monkeys and we are human?




I thought it was that we had a common ancestor rather than evolving from modern day monkeys.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14330986 - 04/21/11 11:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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No really, what have you?





you obviously shouldnt be in this debate... and really, why would you care?










it's simple, you're trying to argue something you know little or nothing
about maybe try reading the bible and then put together your argument
because then you'd have some foundation for the debate, instead you've
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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: donteatasians]
    #14330988 - 04/21/11 11:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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LadyLittleZeppelin said:
I'm not seeing the monkey-human connection :shrug: If monkey's evolved why are they still monkeys and we are human?




I thought it was that we had a common ancestor rather than evolving from modern day monkeys.




Like ostriches and pengiuns right?


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14330993 - 04/22/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I dont care enough to argue with them. Just let me live the way i want to.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: donteatasians]
    #14330994 - 04/22/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm not seeing the monkey-human connection :shrug: If monkey's evolved why are they still monkeys and we are human?




I thought it was that we had a common ancestor rather than evolving from modern day monkeys.





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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14330996 - 04/22/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeahhh hahahaha :facepalm:



i was hahahaing the oxygen remark but the one afterwards was ha-ha-able. i guess you didn't know oxygen isn't flammable. lol you don't think they had fire back then?!?! haha! not until man came around or something? whatev..
i'm sure you understand that humans share damn near all of our genes with other memebers of the great ape line, primarily benobs and chimps. and i'm sure you'll agree the ostrich and the penguin have a common ancestor somewhere along the line (meaning they evolved from the same thing.) the schools are failing us. not sure who to blame. sry.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14331001 - 04/22/11 12:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

common ancestor:



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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14331005 - 04/22/11 12:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

notice the nice aryan appearance of adam and eve.

also, adam bears a rugged resemblence to William Riker.

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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14331006 - 04/22/11 12:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Bodhi of Ankou said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
No really, what have you?





you obviously shouldnt be in this debate... and really, why would you care?










it's simple, you're trying to argue something you know little or nothing
about maybe try reading the bible and then put together your argument
because then you'd have some foundation for the debate, instead you've
come here to ask for help to bash someone's religious beliefs, I
personally cant think of anything more pathetic than bashing someone's
religion other than begging people to do it for you




Its a topic, nobodies bashing anyone and nobodies begging for anything. whats so pathetic about a exchange of thoughts, fool.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14331012 - 04/22/11 12:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm not seeing the monkey-human connection :shrug: If monkey's evolved why are they still monkeys and we are human?




Have you ever seen Jersey Shore, bro? Those are some half monkey/human hybrids if I ever saw one


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14331013 - 04/22/11 12:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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LadyLittleZeppelin said:
Quote:

dummy said:
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LadyLittleZeppelin said:
I'm not seeing the monkey-human connection :shrug: If monkey's evolved why are they still monkeys and we are human?



same reason there are ostriches and penguins.




You are comparing ostriches and penguins to monkeys and humans? :facepalm:







because ostriches and penguins are both birds. we are apes. every currently living monkey is an ape. live with it. learn to read cladograms.

surprisingly our common ancestor is no longer alive :omgz:
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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: donteatasians]
    #14331017 - 04/22/11 12:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

There is no other creature on this planet with our understanding to the degree that we have so it's hard to imagine that we could evolve from monkeys. Monkeys are intelligent but not nearly as intelligent as we are. I don't understand how the monkeys of today got left behind in evolutionary bind and we moved on to become earths worst nightmare :rofl2:


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Its a topic, nobodies bashing anyone and nobodies begging for anything. whats so pathetic about a exchange of thoughts, fool.




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Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate?

I always like to bring up...




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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14331020 - 04/22/11 12:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

every currently living monkey is an ape?


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14331023 - 04/22/11 12:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Bodhi of Ankou said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
No really, what have you?





you obviously shouldnt be in this debate... and really, why would you care?










it's simple, you're trying to argue something you know little or nothing
about maybe try reading the bible and then put together your argument
because then you'd have some foundation for the debate, instead you've
come here to ask for help to bash someone's religious beliefs, I
personally cant think of anything more pathetic than bashing someone's
religion other than begging people to do it for you




hey but you tried to do that earlier in another thread. remember? when you tried to make facts up about renewable energy systems and such? if he you can bs over in that thread, he should be able to bs here!


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14331029 - 04/22/11 12:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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every currently living monkey is an ape?




let me rephrase. all close relatives to humans are apes.

there.

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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14331030 - 04/22/11 12:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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every currently living monkey is an ape?




Guess I'm a monkeys uncle? :datass:


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14331031 - 04/22/11 12:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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because ostriches and penguins are both birds. we are apes. every currently living monkey is an ape. live with it. learn to read cladograms.






right and birds evolved from a reptile, feathers being a modified scale, all
birds are Aves whether it be an ostrich or a penguin... did the human's
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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: dummy]
    #14331032 - 04/22/11 12:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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dummy said:
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LadyLittleZeppelin said:
Yeahhh hahahaha :facepalm:



i was hahahaing the oxygen remark but the one afterwards was ha-ha-able. i guess you didn't know oxygen isn't flammable. lol you don't think they had fire back then?!?! haha! not until man came around or something? whatev..
i'm sure you understand that humans share damn near all of our genes with other memebers of the great ape line, primarily benobs and chimps. and i'm sure you'll agree the ostrich and the penguin have a common ancestor somewhere along the line (meaning they evolved from the same thing.) the schools are failing us. not sure who to blame. sry.



What's wrong with that theory.  An oxygen rich environment means that it takes less energy to get enough oxygen and more energy went towards growth.  From my understanding they did tests raising insects in controlled environments, some at current levels and others at the levels that they estimated they were back then.  The ones in an environment with more O2 grew bigger.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: dummy]
    #14331041 - 04/22/11 12:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
it's simple, you're trying to argue something you know little or nothing
about maybe try reading the bible and then put together your argument
because then you'd have some foundation for the debate, instead you've
come here to ask for help to bash someone's religious beliefs, I
personally cant think of anything more pathetic than bashing someone's
religion other than begging people to do it for you




hey but you tried to do that earlier in another thread. remember? when you tried to make facts up about renewable energy systems and such? if he you can bs over in that thread, he should be able to bs here!




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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Quote:

Bodhi of Ankou said:
Its a topic, nobodies bashing anyone and nobodies begging for anything. whats so pathetic about a exchange of thoughts, fool.




Quote:

Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate?

I always like to bring up...








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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14331044 - 04/22/11 12:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Wait, rats have scaly tails, does that mean they've modified residual feathers?


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: donteatasians]
    #14331047 - 04/22/11 12:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i really don't know enough, or anything at all, about developmental biology or biochem or whatever... i couldn't really say whether that theory is valid or not. all i'm saying is that oxygen is not flammable. thats almost laughable that someone would think that, but i understand. the oxygen itself doesn't combust, but is require for combustion reactions to occur. while an oxygen rich atmosphere wouldn't blow up, lol, it would make it easier to start and build a fire... read a book!


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14331051 - 04/22/11 12:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've read that we came from single cell organisms :tongue: As if our planet could survive that long without being taken out by a large, orbiting planet or very large comet. The things people think up...


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14331052 - 04/22/11 12:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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because ostriches and penguins are both birds. we are apes. every currently living monkey is an ape. live with it. learn to read cladograms.






right and birds evolved from a reptile, feathers being a modified scale, all
birds are Aves whether it be an ostrich or a penguin... did the human's
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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14331055 - 04/22/11 12:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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dummy said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
it's simple, you're trying to argue something you know little or nothing
about maybe try reading the bible and then put together your argument
because then you'd have some foundation for the debate, instead you've
come here to ask for help to bash someone's religious beliefs, I
personally cant think of anything more pathetic than bashing someone's
religion other than begging people to do it for you




hey but you tried to do that earlier in another thread. remember? when you tried to make facts up about renewable energy systems and such? if he you can bs over in that thread, he should be able to bs here!




but I know something about that subject, I know something about religion as well



but you don't... it's all written out in my rebuttal in that thread you should give it a read.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14331056 - 04/22/11 12:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

we came from single cells being orgasmed into another cell...


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14331067 - 04/22/11 12:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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LadyLittleZeppelin said:
There is no other creature on this planet with our understanding to the degree that we have so it's hard to imagine that we could evolve from monkeys. Monkeys are intelligent but not nearly as intelligent as we are. I don't understand how the monkeys of today got left behind in evolutionary bind and we moved on to become earths worst nightmare :rofl2:



Coming from a common ancestor is different than coming from monkeys them selves as we know them.  Maybe our social skills and ability to work together allowed more success and different development.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14331072 - 04/22/11 12:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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LadyLittleZeppelin said:
I've read that we came from single cell organisms :tongue: As if our planet could survive that long without being taken out by a large, orbiting planet or very large comet. The things people think up...




ive read that a ghost materialized an entire universe in 7 days. and that dinosaur bones are just there to test our faith.

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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14331075 - 04/22/11 12:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thats not evolution. Thats mom and dad doing the dirty. I'm talking about millions and millions of years ago our ancestors were single celled organisms living in a puddle of water. So says the evolutionist.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14331079 - 04/22/11 12:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

way to obsess over a linear comprehension of time... :house:


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14331081 - 04/22/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

my idea is more fun.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: donteatasians]
    #14331084 - 04/22/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

whatever we came from had to have been pretty damn ape like, if not down right monkey like.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: donteatasians]
    #14331087 - 04/22/11 12:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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There is no other creature on this planet with our understanding to the degree that we have so it's hard to imagine that we could evolve from monkeys. Monkeys are intelligent but not nearly as intelligent as we are. I don't understand how the monkeys of today got left behind in evolutionary bind and we moved on to become earths worst nightmare :rofl2:




Whys it so hard for you to grasp that concept, we simply branched off and evolved and eventually our social skills catalyzed us into what we are today. Do you have a more plausible explanation?


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14331096 - 04/22/11 12:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Its a topic, nobodies bashing anyone and nobodies begging for anything. whats so pathetic about a exchange of thoughts, fool.




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Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate?

I always like to bring up...








:stanhopefacepalm:





and like I said, you obviously have no place in a debate where you know little about the subject


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14331097 - 04/22/11 12:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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There is no other creature on this planet with our understanding to the degree that we have so it's hard to imagine that we could evolve from monkeys. Monkeys are intelligent but not nearly as intelligent as we are. I don't understand how the monkeys of today got left behind in evolutionary bind and we moved on to become earths worst nightmare :rofl2:




Whys it so hard for you to grasp that concept, we simply branched off and evolved and eventually our social skills catalyzed us into what we are today. Do you have a more plausible explanation?




i want to hear how she explains black people being made from the 2 original white people.

thats going to be a damn creative load of shit. :lol:


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: dummy]
    #14331100 - 04/22/11 12:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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it's simple, you're trying to argue something you know little or nothing
about maybe try reading the bible and then put together your argument
because then you'd have some foundation for the debate, instead you've
come here to ask for help to bash someone's religious beliefs, I
personally cant think of anything more pathetic than bashing someone's
religion other than begging people to do it for you




hey but you tried to do that earlier in another thread. remember? when you tried to make facts up about renewable energy systems and such? if he you can bs over in that thread, he should be able to bs here!




but I know something about that subject, I know something about religion as well



but you don't... it's all written out in my rebuttal in that thread you should give it a read.





but I do and I've rebutted your rebuttal


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14331108 - 04/22/11 12:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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There is no other creature on this planet with our understanding to the degree that we have so it's hard to imagine that we could evolve from monkeys. Monkeys are intelligent but not nearly as intelligent as we are. I don't understand how the monkeys of today got left behind in evolutionary bind and we moved on to become earths worst nightmare :rofl2:




Whys it so hard for you to grasp that concept, we simply branched off and evolved and eventually our social skills catalyzed us into what we are today. Do you have a more plausible explanation?




i want to hear how she explains black people being made from the 2 original white people.

thats going to be a damn creative load of shit. :lol:




I don't believe the first two living people were white and I don't believe Jesus was either.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14331109 - 04/22/11 12:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

dude. mark of cain.

duh.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14331114 - 04/22/11 12:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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There is no other creature on this planet with our understanding to the degree that we have so it's hard to imagine that we could evolve from monkeys. Monkeys are intelligent but not nearly as intelligent as we are. I don't understand how the monkeys of today got left behind in evolutionary bind and we moved on to become earths worst nightmare :rofl2:




Whys it so hard for you to grasp that concept, we simply branched off and evolved and eventually our social skills catalyzed us into what we are today. Do you have a more plausible explanation?




i want to hear how she explains black people being made from the 2 original white people.

thats going to be a damn creative load of shit. :lol:



Not that it really matters but I'm pretty sure life originated in Africa and darker skinned folks came first.  When people started migrating to areas with less sun, into Europe and Asia, they developed lighter skin to better take advantage of the sun.  Vitamin D for one comes to mind.  They also didn't need as much protection from the harmful aspects of sun like sunburn.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14331118 - 04/22/11 12:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm not seeing the monkey-human connection :shrug: If monkey's evolved why are they still monkeys and we are human?




We did not evolve from monkeys. Both humans and monkeys have evolved from a common ancestor that was not a human or a monkey.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14331125 - 04/22/11 12:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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There is no other creature on this planet with our understanding to the degree that we have so it's hard to imagine that we could evolve from monkeys. Monkeys are intelligent but not nearly as intelligent as we are. I don't understand how the monkeys of today got left behind in evolutionary bind and we moved on to become earths worst nightmare :rofl2:




Whys it so hard for you to grasp that concept, we simply branched off and evolved and eventually our social skills catalyzed us into what we are today. Do you have a more plausible explanation?




i want to hear how she explains black people being made from the 2 original white people.

thats going to be a damn creative load of shit. :lol:



I remember going to bible camp and questining that story :lol: I asked them why no genetic defects arose from inbreeding and how the different races came about, they said they had perfect genes and that they diversified over time into the different "races" I asked him why perfect genes would ever need to change and he said that was a good question and moved on to some other garbage about Jesus.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: donteatasians]
    #14331130 - 04/22/11 12:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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There is no other creature on this planet with our understanding to the degree that we have so it's hard to imagine that we could evolve from monkeys. Monkeys are intelligent but not nearly as intelligent as we are. I don't understand how the monkeys of today got left behind in evolutionary bind and we moved on to become earths worst nightmare :rofl2:




Whys it so hard for you to grasp that concept, we simply branched off and evolved and eventually our social skills catalyzed us into what we are today. Do you have a more plausible explanation?




i want to hear how she explains black people being made from the 2 original white people.

thats going to be a damn creative load of shit. :lol:



Not that it really matters but I'm pretty sure life originated in Africa and darker skinned folks came first.  When people started migrating to areas with less sun, into Europe and Asia, they developed lighter skin to better take advantage of the sun.  Vitamin D for one comes to mind.  They also didn't need as much protection from the harmful aspects of sun like sunburn.




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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14331137 - 04/22/11 12:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i want to hear how she explains black people being made from the 2 original white people.

thats going to be a damn creative load of shit. :lol:



I remember going to bible camp and questining that story :lol: I asked them why no genetic defects arose from inbreeding and how the different races came about, they said they had perfect genes and that they diversified over time into the different "races" I asked him why perfect genes would ever need to change and he said that was a good question and moved on to some other garbage about Jesus.




well, since cain was exiled from his family after killing abel and he went
to the land of nod, obviously a race of monkeys, and took a wife... what
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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14331145 - 04/22/11 12:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ok. im done after this statement.

have fun trying to disprove evolution when you can witness it happening in a lab....

ever heard of diseases becoming resistant to medications? and then that strain of the disease continues on infecting people? and that strain of the disease is differentiated from other strains of the disease specifically?

fucking miracles, man. fucking miracles.

evolution happens RIGHT IN FRONT OF PEOPLES FACES ON A DAILY BASIS.

genetic variation. how did all this variety of humans come from 2 people? 2.... people. there is no fucking way that they contained the alleles for every single trait you can observe on earth today.

its evolution. its right in front of your face and you refuse to look up from a 2000 year old book and into the present instead of reading some crap from the past which was written when people lived in mud huts. its time to be an intelligent human and stop denying hard evidence for "something i like to believe because im scared to die and go to hell"

hell doesnt exist. nothing happens when you die. the time after your death is the exact same as the billions of years before you were born. its incomprehensibly NOTHING.

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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14331149 - 04/22/11 12:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I've read that we came from single cell organisms :tongue: As if our planet could survive that long without being taken out by a large, orbiting planet or very large comet. The things people think up...



yes we came from single celled organisms:kingcrankey:


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: donteatasians]
    #14331151 - 04/22/11 12:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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When people started migrating to areas with less sun, into Europe and Asia, they developed lighter skin to better take advantage of the sun.  Vitamin D for one comes to mind.  They also didn't need as much protection from the harmful aspects of sun like sunburn.





are you saying that black people dont need vitamin D?


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14331155 - 04/22/11 12:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well for one interbreeding between species is impossible and again why would perfect genes ever evolve or change at all.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: dummy]
    #14331161 - 04/22/11 12:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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but lighter colors reflect more light.



Darker skin has more melanin, which protects a person from sun.  That's why white folks tan.  While this protects people from being burned it also prevents absorption of Vitamin D.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14331162 - 04/22/11 12:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

dude, god created evolution.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Salomon]
    #14331164 - 04/22/11 12:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I've read that we came from single cell organisms :tongue: As if our planet could survive that long without being taken out by a large, orbiting planet or very large comet. The things people think up...



yes we came from single celled organisms





where's the single celled organism come from


LLZ, there's been at least 3 global extinction events in the last 4 billion years


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14331168 - 04/22/11 12:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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When people started migrating to areas with less sun, into Europe and Asia, they developed lighter skin to better take advantage of the sun.  Vitamin D for one comes to mind.  They also didn't need as much protection from the harmful aspects of sun like sunburn.





are you saying that black people dont need vitamin D?




They don't need to drink where white people drink or sit in the front of the bus either :crankey:


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14331172 - 04/22/11 12:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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because ostriches and penguins are both birds. we are apes. every currently living monkey is an ape. live with it. learn to read cladograms.





I don't like being too picky, but talk like this doesn't help the collective argument at all and I hear it too often. Yes we are apes, but monkeys and apes are not the same thing! Both are primates, but not monkeys.

PRIMATES:

Apes: Humans, chimps, bonobos, gorillas, orangutans
Monkeys: new world, and old world
Tarsiers
Lemurs
Lorises

All of the above are primates. Ape is not a Monkey. Lemur is not a monkey. Loris is not a Tarsier.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14331175 - 04/22/11 12:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Arguing with religious people
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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14331189 - 04/22/11 12:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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When people started migrating to areas with less sun, into Europe and Asia, they developed lighter skin to better take advantage of the sun.  Vitamin D for one comes to mind.  They also didn't need as much protection from the harmful aspects of sun like sunburn.





are you saying that black people dont need vitamin D?



No, I'm just saying that Africa got more intense light that provided what they needed.  At latitudes farther north they received less intense light and the skin adapted by getting lighter to make up for the difference.  As far as I know it's only a theory but is the only explanation I've come across other than coming from two different ancestors.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: noticeofeviction]
    #14331196 - 04/22/11 12:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Arguing with religious people
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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: donteatasians]
    #14331207 - 04/22/11 12:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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As far as I know it's only a theory





there's a theory that every living thing has a single common ancestor as
well, it's just a theory because they've yet to figure out how a few minerals
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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14331208 - 04/22/11 12:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't like being too picky.




i already acknowledged the poor word choice




Sorry I missed that. Anyway maybe some of the people who don't understand evolution will see the difference now.

Anyone here think evolution is total BS? If so are you not familiar with the logic of evolution theory or do you understand the logic and deny it? If you understand it then what is your reason for denying it?


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14331211 - 04/22/11 12:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Anyone here think evolution is total BS? If so are you not familiar with the logic of evolution theory or do you understand the logic and deny it? If you understand it then what is your reason for denying it?





care to explain abiogenesis?

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As far as I know it's only a theory





there's a theory that every living thing has a single common ancestor as
well, it's just a theory because they've yet to figure out how a few minerals
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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14331213 - 04/22/11 12:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Well for one interbreeding between species is impossible and again why would perfect genes ever evolve or change at all.



I don't think this is entirely correct.  Lion and Tigers can be interbred.

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They can but the offspring is always sterile.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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maybe if they used rattlesnake venom to weaken the cell walls?


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As far as I know it's only a theory





there's a theory that every living thing has a single common ancestor as
well, it's just a theory because they've yet to figure out how a few minerals
got together and mated with an amino acid and spontaneously generated life





actually theres been experiments where lipid-bilayers (see also: inanimate clusters of phospholipids) spontaneously divide and form smaller bubbles.

theyve created amino acids and other bio-molecules in that one experiment.

get everything right and shit can happen.

maybe theres a reason it took billions of years for it to happen once and make one cell. which proceeded to divide and experience alterations in its DNA.

why would people be able to recreate the production of life in a lab if it took ~2billion years to happen on earth, which was basically a seething pot of organic molecules for a loooooooooooong time.

if life is ever recreated (technically, it has been, read up on the synthetic organism craig venter created) from scratch it will take a loooooooooooooooooooong time.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14331247 - 04/22/11 01:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Anyone here think evolution is total BS? If so are you not familiar with the logic of evolution theory or do you understand the logic and deny it? If you understand it then what is your reason for denying it?





care to explain abiogenesis?

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As far as I know it's only a theory





there's a theory that every living thing has a single common ancestor as
well, it's just a theory because they've yet to figure out how a few minerals
got together and mated with an amino acid and spontaneously generated life







Supposedly people from the Malaysia (I think?) area sailed to Australia after reaching that area.  :shrug:  If this is true I have no idea how they knew it was there or got that lucky.


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abiogenesis not aboriginals :lol:


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    #14331257 - 04/22/11 01:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Even that theory is kinda..ummm, iffy. So spontaneously the first strand of DNA is created, then what? Its just a strand of DNa floating around in the ocean current, no cell wall, no mitochondria, no way to power its self to replicate into more strands. at all, nevermind evolve into anything.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14331260 - 04/22/11 01:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

no rna to do the replicating....


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14331266 - 04/22/11 01:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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why would people be able to recreate the production of life in a lab if it took ~2billion years to happen on earth, which was basically a seething pot of organic molecules for a loooooooooooong time.





but they havent created life in a lab, they've altered a virus and called it
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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14331281 - 04/22/11 01:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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abiogenesis not aboriginals :lol:



:doh:



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For the record I'm not posting with the intention of attacking the idea of God.  I don't really see any conflict.  If God created life it follows that God also created the rules that govern its processes and how things to develop.  I just wanted to throw in what my understanding was on the whole “monkey to people” issue, since that’s not really what the theory of evolution proposes.  That’s a major simplification of the idea.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: psilyguy]
    #14331294 - 04/22/11 01:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Here's my favorite argument, I use this famous quote from some guy named Epicurus. For the religious people, ignore the fact that its a quote and just think through the logic.

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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?




You can have Omnipotence and Benevolence, but then God didn't create evil and God would prevent evil. Or you can have evil exist and only one of the God-like traits. If thats the case, what makes the guy worthy of worship? A truly benevolent being is worthy of being a role-model, but is not a God. An omnipotent being that is not benevolent is a super-monster/devil/scary thing.

If you believe in predestiny determined by God. Then that means God is directly responsible for all genocide, sexual assault, torture, misery, sadness, illness, etc. If this is the case I say God is the biggest asshole ever.

I know the Mormons and probably some other religious groups would argue that God is able but not willing to prevent evil for the cause of free will (which also means God created evil to provide the choice, since God created all that is, including Satan). But if that is true then God would never interfere, especially not in the form of destroying Sodom and Gomorrah simply for being full of "evil-doers"(for example, plenty of other examples out there). Because God interfering at all would make true free-will impossible.

If anyone who believes in any of the worship-type gods (christians, muslims, jewish people, etc.) can break this logic and explain to me how a God worth worshiping can even exist, then speak up.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14331299 - 04/22/11 01:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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why would people be able to recreate the production of life in a lab if it took ~2billion years to happen on earth, which was basically a seething pot of organic molecules for a loooooooooooong time.





but they havent created life in a lab, they've altered a virus and called it
the creation of life, at least that's how it was reported to the public




you should totally look into that experiment a little more.

im not saying that created life from scratch. but they did create a unique organism.

it was much more than an altered virus. viruses arent even living organisms.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: psilyguy]
    #14331304 - 04/22/11 01:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

god gave freewill to.
stopping evil would negate that.
also people say things are evil that arn't
like earthquakes or something.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14331315 - 04/22/11 01:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Anyone here think evolution is total BS? If so are you not familiar with the logic of evolution theory or do you understand the logic and deny it? If you understand it then what is your reason for denying it?





care to explain abiogenesis?





No, i'm not going to pretend to know anything about that beyond what it means. But, abiogenesis has to do with the origin of life, evolution doesn't. Evolution explains how life became what it is today, not how life became in the first place.

Don't ask me about the big bang theory either. I can't wrap my mind around something coming from of nothing. Even God creating the universe provides a cause, a something for things to come out of. But who then created God in the first place? Big bang, natural, god, I dunno. But its my opinion that everything always has and always will exist in one form or another. I have no evidence to back it up, its just an opinion.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: psilyguy]
    #14331316 - 04/22/11 01:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Here's my favorite argument, I use this famous quote from some guy named Epicurus. For the religious people, ignore the fact that its a quote and just think through the logic.

Quote:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?




You can have Omnipotence and Benevolence, but then God didn't create evil and God would prevent evil. Or you can have evil exist and only one of the God-like traits. If thats the case, what makes the guy worthy of worship? A truly benevolent being is worthy of being a role-model, but is not a God. An omnipotent being that is not benevolent is a super-monster/devil/scary thing.

If you believe in predestiny determined by God. Then that means God is directly responsible for all genocide, sexual assault, torture, misery, sadness, illness, etc. If this is the case I say God is the biggest asshole ever.

I know the Mormons and probably some other religious groups would argue that God is able but not willing to prevent evil for the cause of free will (which also means God created evil to provide the choice, since God created all that is, including Satan). But if that is true then God would never interfere, especially not in the form of destroying Sodom and Gomorrah simply for being full of "evil-doers"(for example, plenty of other examples out there). Because God interfering at all would make true free-will impossible.

If anyone who believes in any of the worship-type gods (christians, muslims, jewish people, etc.) can break this logic and explain to me how a God worth worshiping can even exist, then speak up.



I think the idea is that God allowed free-will so people could make their own decisions instead of forcing obedience.  This was to ensure that people choose to worship willingly and had options.  At least that’s the reason for allowing "evil" from that viewpoint as I understand it.  :shrug:


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14331329 - 04/22/11 01:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

First and foremost "Hello, hope all is well with you".  I hope you can pardon my interjection, but wouldn't it make more sense to actually study the issue for yourself, based on what you find formulate your own opinion, then simply share your thoughts?  As opposed to “believing” in something blindly, with no real understanding for why, and just repeating someone elses talking points?  Actually that sounds alot like the perception of the people you're attempting to mock...No?

FYI, Dinosaur references are debatable, there is a passage in particular that could be interpreted to refer to Dinosaurs, Im just too lazy to look it up right now...just sayin.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: donteatasians]
    #14331332 - 04/22/11 01:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Im surprised no one has brought up the theory that different races came from experiments on humans from extra terrestrials.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: masterfluffypants]
    #14331334 - 04/22/11 01:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Im surprised no one has brought up the theory that different races came from experiments on humans from extra terrestrials.




GET OUT OF HERE WITH THAT :tinfoil:! THIS IS A CONVERSATION FOR MEN OF SCIENCE


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: psilyguy]
    #14331335 - 04/22/11 01:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Here's my favorite argument, I use this famous quote from some guy named Epicurus. For the religious people, ignore the fact that its a quote and just think through the logic.

Quote:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?




You can have Omnipotence and Benevolence, but then God didn't create evil and God would prevent evil. Or you can have evil exist and only one of the God-like traits. If thats the case, what makes the guy worthy of worship? A truly benevolent being is worthy of being a role-model, but is not a God. An omnipotent being that is not benevolent is a super-monster/devil/scary thing.

If you believe in predestiny determined by God. Then that means God is directly responsible for all genocide, sexual assault, torture, misery, sadness, illness, etc. If this is the case I say God is the biggest asshole ever.

I know the Mormons and probably some other religious groups would argue that God is able but not willing to prevent evil for the cause of free will (which also means God created evil to provide the choice, since God created all that is, including Satan). But if that is true then God would never interfere, especially not in the form of destroying Sodom and Gomorrah simply for being full of "evil-doers"(for example, plenty of other examples out there). Because God interfering at all would make true free-will impossible.

If anyone who believes in any of the worship-type gods (christians, muslims, jewish people, etc.) can break this logic and explain to me how a God worth worshiping can even exist, then speak up.




There was no evil until satan, the greatest angel of all, thought he was better than God and attempted to overthrow him. All evil comes from satan and not God. Satans time is coming where he'll be judged for his actions and his followers too. Everyone else that was neutral will be destroyed, as if they never existed. Gods people will join God and live on. Easy stuff to follow I think.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14331343 - 04/22/11 01:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Im surprised no one has brought up the theory that different races came from experiments on humans from extra terrestrials.




GET OUT OF HERE WITH THAT :tinfoil:! THIS IS A CONVERSATION FOR MEN OF SCIENCE



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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
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psilyguy said:
Here's my favorite argument, I use this famous quote from some guy named Epicurus. For the religious people, ignore the fact that its a quote and just think through the logic.

Quote:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?




You can have Omnipotence and Benevolence, but then God didn't create evil and God would prevent evil. Or you can have evil exist and only one of the God-like traits. If thats the case, what makes the guy worthy of worship? A truly benevolent being is worthy of being a role-model, but is not a God. An omnipotent being that is not benevolent is a super-monster/devil/scary thing.

If you believe in predestiny determined by God. Then that means God is directly responsible for all genocide, sexual assault, torture, misery, sadness, illness, etc. If this is the case I say God is the biggest asshole ever.

I know the Mormons and probably some other religious groups would argue that God is able but not willing to prevent evil for the cause of free will (which also means God created evil to provide the choice, since God created all that is, including Satan). But if that is true then God would never interfere, especially not in the form of destroying Sodom and Gomorrah simply for being full of "evil-doers"(for example, plenty of other examples out there). Because God interfering at all would make true free-will impossible.

If anyone who believes in any of the worship-type gods (christians, muslims, jewish people, etc.) can break this logic and explain to me how a God worth worshiping can even exist, then speak up.




There was no evil until satan, the greatest angel of all, thought he was better than God and attempted to overthrow him. All evil comes from satan and not God. Satans time is coming where he'll be judged for his actions and his followers too. Everyone else that was neutral will be destroyed, as if they never existed. Gods people will join God and live on. Easy stuff to follow I think.



I thought Satan was only responsible for temptation, and that the "evil" was the persons' decision to give in to it.

I am genuinely curious and not trying to mock or attack so please don't take it that way.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14331354 - 04/22/11 01:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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psilyguy said:
Here's my favorite argument, I use this famous quote from some guy named Epicurus. For the religious people, ignore the fact that its a quote and just think through the logic.

Quote:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?




You can have Omnipotence and Benevolence, but then God didn't create evil and God would prevent evil. Or you can have evil exist and only one of the God-like traits. If thats the case, what makes the guy worthy of worship? A truly benevolent being is worthy of being a role-model, but is not a God. An omnipotent being that is not benevolent is a super-monster/devil/scary thing.

If you believe in predestiny determined by God. Then that means God is directly responsible for all genocide, sexual assault, torture, misery, sadness, illness, etc. If this is the case I say God is the biggest asshole ever.

I know the Mormons and probably some other religious groups would argue that God is able but not willing to prevent evil for the cause of free will (which also means God created evil to provide the choice, since God created all that is, including Satan). But if that is true then God would never interfere, especially not in the form of destroying Sodom and Gomorrah simply for being full of "evil-doers"(for example, plenty of other examples out there). Because God interfering at all would make true free-will impossible.

If anyone who believes in any of the worship-type gods (christians, muslims, jewish people, etc.) can break this logic and explain to me how a God worth worshiping can even exist, then speak up.




There was no evil until satan, the greatest angel of all, thought he was better than God and attempted to overthrow him. All evil comes from satan and not God. Satans time is coming where he'll be judged for his actions and his followers too. Everyone else that was neutral will be destroyed, as if they never existed. Gods people will join God and live on. Easy stuff to follow I think.




Yes humans have free-will. They can each choose their path, and when the time of judgement and tribulation comes, each person will be judged according by their faith as well as their actions on the earth


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: donteatasians]
    #14331357 - 04/22/11 01:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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god gave freewill to.
stopping evil would negate that.
also people say things are evil that arn't
like earthquakes or something.




People say God made the earthquakes too. I already addressed the freewill thing, i'm open to the debate, but how about you explain to me why you disagree with my point? I'll reiterate.

If God gave freewill by allowing evil, then fine. But if he is the God described by various religious texts, then he also created the evil in the first place. Ok so he needed to create it to provide a temptation for people to resist. That is fine. But then he didn't let it run the natural course (supposedly). He interfered by destroying non-believers and commanding the destruction of non-believers. (from any of the convential western religious views this is true). By interfering, the purpose of allowing evil for freewill was defeated. So now freewill is out the window, because god prevented a measure of evil chosen by humans. Without freewill this is making the nature of God questionable. Now there must be malevolence, for allowing a certain amount of evil without the purpose of freewill, or non-omnipotence, because maybe he couldn't prevent all of the evil. Or the acts we define as evil are not designated as such by God, which is basically the same as malevolence.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: masterfluffypants]
    #14331358 - 04/22/11 01:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You guys, this is all what God WANTS you to think.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: psilyguy]
    #14331378 - 04/22/11 01:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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god gave freewill to.
stopping evil would negate that.
also people say things are evil that arn't
like earthquakes or something.




People say God made the earthquakes too. I already addressed the freewill thing, i'm open to the debate, but how about you explain to me why you disagree with my point? I'll reiterate.

If God gave freewill by allowing evil, then fine. But if he is the God described by various religious texts, then he also created the evil in the first place. Ok so he needed to create it to provide a temptation for people to resist. That is fine. But then he didn't let it run the natural course (supposedly). He interfered by destroying non-believers and commanding the destruction of non-believers. (from any of the convential western religious views this is true). By interfering, the purpose of allowing evil for freewill was defeated. So now freewill is out the window, because god prevented a measure of evil chosen by humans. Without freewill this is making the nature of God questionable. Now there must be malevolence, for allowing a certain amount of evil without the purpose of freewill, or non-omnipotence, because maybe he couldn't prevent all of the evil. Or the acts we define as evil are not designated as such by God, which is basically the same as malevolence.




Well keep in mind that the bible discloses that God has a wrathful side. The evil in the world is of the likes of Satan, and God cannot control the actions of the devil. Nobody knows everything. There are only clues we can take and try to decipher. There are books in the bible that were left out and there are certain unexplained earthly occurrences that are not explained in the bible. The bible is just a small part of the bigger picture.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14331379 - 04/22/11 01:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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There was no evil until satan, the greatest angel of all, thought he was better than God and attempted to overthrow him. All evil comes from satan and not God. Satans time is coming where he'll be judged for his actions and his followers too. Everyone else that was neutral will be destroyed, as if they never existed. Gods people will join God and live on. Easy stuff to follow I think.




Did not God create Satan? If God created Satan then he created the creator of evil by your definition, which makes God the inderect creator of evil.

If God didn't create Satan then that just makes him like the Warlord of the Righteous Army, but not the Omnipotent Creator of Everything. In that case, worshiping him is basically enlisting for his military. And it seems like Satan is going to have a bigger army, so.......


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: psilyguy]
    #14331387 - 04/22/11 01:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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There was no evil until satan, the greatest angel of all, thought he was better than God and attempted to overthrow him. All evil comes from satan and not God. Satans time is coming where he'll be judged for his actions and his followers too. Everyone else that was neutral will be destroyed, as if they never existed. Gods people will join God and live on. Easy stuff to follow I think.




Did not God create Satan? If God created Satan then he created the creator of evil by your definition, which makes God the inderect creator of evil.

If God didn't create Satan then that just makes him like the Warlord of the Righteous Army, but not the Omnipotent Creator of Everything. In that case, worshiping him is basically enlisting for his military. And it seems like Satan is going to have a bigger army, so.......




God did not intentionally create Satan to be the destroyer and the devil. Lucifer was the musician of heaven but was cast out after he became jealous of Gods power and wanted to take his place. You also have to keep in mind that God is not the ONLY God.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: masterfluffypants]
    #14331400 - 04/22/11 01:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Well keep in mind that the bible discloses that God has a wrathful side. The evil in the world is of the likes of Satan, and God cannot control the actions of the devil. Nobody knows everything. There are only clues we can take and try to decipher. There are books in the bible that were left out and there are certain unexplained earthly occurrences that are not explained in the bible. The bible is just a small part of the bigger picture.




Bring up the wrathful side of God is completely fair and valid argument. But to that I say, I have no interest in spending my time worshiping a being that gets wrathful with beings that are less than ants to him.

The part about Satan kills it for me though. If evil is from Satan, than is God's wrath not evil? Cause on the recieving end i'm sure it looks pretty damn evil. Especially when the wrath comes in the same form as an evil action of the temptation of satan (murder)(Also, God has committed murder, Satan has only convinced people to murder).

Also, if God cannot  control the actions of the Devil, then he is not truly Omnipotent and thus not worthy of the title "God" imo. If he won't control the actions of the devil, then see my freewill argument again.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: psilyguy]
    #14331407 - 04/22/11 01:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

God didnt necessarily "create" evil in the context you're referring to.  Satan/Lucifer/Devil rebelled out of jealously against God, he was cast out and punished, which intensified his hatred for God.  Because he cant act against God directly, he instead lashes out at God's most adored creation, man.  When Eve was convinced to act against God's wishes the battle for mortal souls was on.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: masterfluffypants]
    #14331415 - 04/22/11 01:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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God did not intentionally create Satan to be the destroyer and the devil. Lucifer was the musician of heaven but was cast out after he became jealous of Gods power and wanted to take his place. You also have to keep in mind that God is not the ONLY God.




This means that Lucifer had freewill granted by God, because God allowed the evil. If God is the creator, then that means he created the rules, including the existence of the choice of evil. If God didn't create the rules, than one of your other Gods did, which could be Nature I suppose. Is God a product of nature?

Anyway, that was a little off topic, sorta. Since you speak of satan i'm sure you are talking Christianity. In which case these other Gods are who? Most Christians I know of are not polytheistic. If you believe in more than one God than surely the definition of God cannot mean to you Omnipotent, Benevolent, Creator? If there are many gods and they are not all three of the above, then why worship just one of them, or any of them for that matter?


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14331421 - 04/22/11 01:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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im not saying that created life from scratch. but they did create a unique organism.

it was much more than an altered virus. viruses arent even living organisms.




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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Reppin501]
    #14331423 - 04/22/11 01:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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God didnt necessarily "create" evil in the context you're referring to.  Satan/Lucifer/Devil rebelled out of jealously against God, he was cast out and punished, which intensified his hatred for God.  Because he cant act against God directly, he instead lashes out at God's most adored creation, man.  When Eve was convinced to act against God's wishes the battle for mortal souls was on.




So God is not the supreme creator? Which allows more room for science and less reason to worship the guy.

Or God is the supreme creator and made it possible for evil to exist, and gave freewill, the combination of which would inevitably result in evil. Thus God created evil.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: psilyguy]
    #14331426 - 04/22/11 01:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Understandable. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. But you also have to think of it like if you had an infestation of ants in your house. You will kill the ants because they are invading your house. But would you consider that "evil"? Its similar to God erasing certain people out of mankind because when they act in a way that causes extreme measures to be taken, they need to be eradicated for the greater good of man. Just like you would eradicate the ants for the greater good of your house. You can allow these ants to have "free-will" in your house, but then the problem will just spread. Think of it in that context.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: psilyguy]
    #14331429 - 04/22/11 01:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I guess my argument is about one definition of God. If you have a different definition of god than Omnipotent, Benevolent, Supreme Creator of Everything That Exists, what is your definition and most importantly why is he worth worshiping?


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    #14331433 - 04/22/11 01:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

God has told how it would unfold, I suppose he "could" destroy all evil and/or the Devil in theory, but in this instance we dont have to theorise because its been told.  First in the Bible, then by Jesus himself, how it will will be, how it will end, and what to expect.  Destroying evil from its inception wasnt part of the plan.


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    #14331462 - 04/22/11 02:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Understandable. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. But you also have to think of it like if you had an infestation of ants in your house. You will kill the ants because they are invading your house. But would you consider that "evil"? Its similar to God erasing certain people out of mankind because when they act in a way that causes extreme measures to be taken, they need to be eradicated for the greater good of man. Just like you would eradicate the ants for the greater good of your house. You can allow these ants to have "free-will" in your house, but then the problem will just spread. Think of it in that context.




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I guess my argument is about one definition of God. If you have a different definition of god than Omnipotent, Benevolent, Supreme Creator of Everything That Exists, what is your definition and most importantly why is he worth worshiping?




Everybody will have different views of God, especially people who believe in God. Polls show that there are hundreds of different versions of god that people believe in. The truth is nobody can really say he is "this way" because the bible is written in code. The Bible also only tells a tiny bit about everything. The bible does not mention other galaxies and planets, but does hint to the idea of extra terrestrial beings and extraordinary life sequences. And there is text that was taken out of the bible like the dead sea scrolls. And you also have to think about ancient carvings of biblical entities and extra terrestrial ideas. There is only so much we really know and can find out. We are but mere specs of dust in a vast array of knowledge.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: masterfluffypants]
    #14331473 - 04/22/11 02:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Understandable. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. But you also have to think of it like if you had an infestation of ants in your house. You will kill the ants because they are invading your house. But would you consider that "evil"? Its similar to God erasing certain people out of mankind because when they act in a way that causes extreme measures to be taken, they need to be eradicated for the greater good of man. Just like you would eradicate the ants for the greater good of your house. You can allow these ants to have "free-will" in your house, but then the problem will just spread. Think of it in that context.




Yay, good points. Hard to argue against it, maybe cause i'm getting tired, but it doesn't provide a reason for worship. So why should we worship him then? What you say really makes a lot of sense if we are really talking about the greater good of mankind, which would probably include the continuity of the species more than anything else. If that is really the case though then why places like sodom and gomorrah instead of the people with the knowledge and intent to create nuclear bombs? God works in mysterious ways? Even so, why worship him?


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: psilyguy]
    #14331487 - 04/22/11 02:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you want to get right down to it, God created Satan initially and so you could say God created evil, your context is grossly flawed, but you could say that. 

"Worthy" of worship...its your task to figure that out.  I have my reasons but they may not be yours, its a personal relationship between each of us and him.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Reppin501]
    #14331501 - 04/22/11 02:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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God has told how it would unfold, I suppose he "could" destroy all evil and/or the Devil in theory, but in this instance we dont have to theorise because its been told.  First in the Bible, then by Jesus himself, how it will will be, how it will end, and what to expect.  Destroying evil from its inception wasnt part of the plan.




Bible was written and edited by man. This also means no one knows with certainty what exactly Jesus told, let alone that he existed at all.

Also, if God knows how it will unfold then everything has a predetermined destiny. This destiny being determined by the creator, who willingly and knowingly created a universe full of evil and misery. Furthermore, with predestiny it makes no difference what I do, because what I do has already been told.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: psilyguy]
    #14331507 - 04/22/11 02:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Because he loves you, and he wants to care for you.  Theres no adjective that can describe the presence of God.  I know it sounds GAY, but its true, no other way to put it.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14331509 - 04/22/11 02:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

the answer is sex. spit some harcore game over a religious chick, and after you've rub your dicks on her and fingered fucked her a little, everything will be just fine.

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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Reppin501]
    #14331520 - 04/22/11 02:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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If you want to get right down to it, God created Satan initially and so you could say God created evil, your context is grossly flawed, but you could say that.




Context is not flawed. God is either the supreme creator or he is not. There is no gray area in this regard.

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"Worthy" of worship...its your task to figure that out.  I have my reasons but they may not be yours, its a personal relationship between each of us and him.




By worthy of worship I really meant, why call him God at all? But either way, if it is meant to be a personal thing i'm down with that. But let it be a personal thing and please don't monetarily support oppressive organizations that try to force their religious beliefs on others.

OP take notes on this debate and how I've gone wrong. Then tell me if you find out how to destroy a religious person in a debate. I give up lol, night night.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: psilyguy]
    #14331523 - 04/22/11 02:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Have you considered that everyone doesnt live n a universe of evil and misery?  I dont live that way, I acknowledge its there but I choose to see the beautiful things in life.  Part of spiritual awakening is a change in perspective, a paradigm shift so to speak.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Reppin501]
    #14331524 - 04/22/11 02:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Understandable. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. But you also have to think of it like if you had an infestation of ants in your house. You will kill the ants because they are invading your house. But would you consider that "evil"? Its similar to God erasing certain people out of mankind because when they act in a way that causes extreme measures to be taken, they need to be eradicated for the greater good of man. Just like you would eradicate the ants for the greater good of your house. You can allow these ants to have "free-will" in your house, but then the problem will just spread. Think of it in that context.




Yay, good points. Hard to argue against it, maybe cause i'm getting tired, but it doesn't provide a reason for worship. So why should we worship him then? What you say really makes a lot of sense if we are really talking about the greater good of mankind, which would probably include the continuity of the species more than anything else. If that is really the case though then why places like sodom and gomorrah instead of the people with the knowledge and intent to create nuclear bombs? God works in mysterious ways? Even so, why worship him?




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If you want to get right down to it, God created Satan initially and so you could say God created evil, your context is grossly flawed, but you could say that. 

"Worthy" of worship...its your task to figure that out.  I have my reasons but they may not be yours, its a personal relationship between each of us and him.




              ^ This.

You should worship him because you feel in your heart that its the right thing to do. Maybe some journey or experience has or will happen to humble someone and make them turn to God, but that is all a matter of personal beliefs and the willingness to put faith into him. You dont "have" to do anything, and thats the beauty of free will. But when you put faith into him, I believe good things can come out of it. I for one am truly blessed. I have been put into a life filled with good vibrations and great people. This could be the way the dice was rolled for me. Like the coincidence of being born into a rich family or a poor family. But the way my life is going I feel its only right that I put my faith into "the creator". I had some psychedelic experiences that brought me much closer to God and allowed me to see the light of the world. I believe that there is truth to EVERYTHING. Evolution. God. Other religions and philosophies that people will argue about such as Taoism and Buddhism. There is a much bigger picture that we play huge roles in. Small compared to the vastness of the so called "master plan", but huge in our existence. Everything i just said is based solely on faith, and i cant really convince anyone to turn to god because that is a choice up to you based on your free will. People tend to separate God and science when in reality, God is science. Everything is beautiful. Its mankind that has corrupted and tainted the world. The devil plays a major role in it, but we are responsible for the pollution and nuclear crises of the world. The best we can do is live our lives to the fullest and be good souls to our brothers and sisters of the world.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: masterfluffypants]
    #14331627 - 04/22/11 03:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I like this last post. We humans are enemies of ourselves, because we choose to continue an argument that has proven to be the cause of all the misery we claim to want to prevent: I'm right and you're an idiot.

Outside of my consciousness nothing exists, because I cease to exist. All that I perceive to be reality are simply occurrences in a small window of time that I call the human experience. Even time and space are a product of my conscious understanding. I know that through my human experience the best I can do is to try and live connected with God, and use my understanding of God to appreciate this existence.

People can call it Christianity, Buddhism, Atheism, but its all the same. Its a human attempt in the product of individual consciousness to connect with something that we feel is beyond our capacity as humans. Were all connected, and connected with God. There is no need to argue, because were arguing against ourselves, our conscious perceptions, and more deeply, God.

I choose to live connected with God, and that inspires me to try love and appreciate it all.


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    #14331712 - 04/22/11 04:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't go out of my way to mock religious beliefs, however any time they are looking for a fight, or they mock me, I will try to give them hell.

First off all, I can't respect a silly faith that insists I'm going to hell; If you believe in the bible, I am going to suffer for all of enternity, Well fuck you, plain and simple. And I hate how they "feel sorry for you". Honestly, if you REALLY REALLY believe I am going to hell, I don't think I could be your friend. I think it is just culturally accepted to "respect" religion, but when it comes down to brass tacks, a lot of what is in the bible is just ancient bullshit that only means what you want it to mean. All the bible is is a playground to justify the craziest bullshit you can think off. It is a way for some to feel superior and smug. Any good that can be accomplished with the bible can be accomplished without.

I think religion is a sure fire way to teach ignorance, hatred, misunderstanding, an I don't give a fuck about science attitude--It holds unrealistic standards to reality, and teaches it is okay to accept things without fact. I personally think the world would be a better place with out religion. I really hope it dies out.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #14333439 - 04/22/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't go out of my way to mock religious beliefs, however any time they are looking for a fight, or they mock me, I will try to give them hell.

First off all, I can't respect a silly faith that insists I'm going to hell; If you believe in the bible, I am going to suffer for all of enternity, Well fuck you, plain and simple. And I hate how they "feel sorry for you". Honestly, if you REALLY REALLY believe I am going to hell, I don't think I could be your friend. I think it is just culturally accepted to "respect" religion, but when it comes down to brass tacks, a lot of what is in the bible is just ancient bullshit that only means what you want it to mean. All the bible is is a playground to justify the craziest bullshit you can think off. It is a way for some to feel superior and smug. Any good that can be accomplished with the bible can be accomplished without.

I think religion is a sure fire way to teach ignorance, hatred, misunderstanding, an I don't give a fuck about science attitude--It holds unrealistic standards to reality, and teaches it is okay to accept things without fact. I personally think the world would be a better place with out religion. I really hope it dies out.




feeling superior over someone else is a sin and not accepted by God. No one is perfect or better than anyone else and the Bible makes that clear, you have to read it for yourself. Many christians haven't even picked up a bible aside from church :mad2: They make the rest of us look bad.


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    #14333454 - 04/22/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't go out of my way to mock religious beliefs, however any time they are looking for a fight, or they mock me, I will try to give them hell.

First off all, I can't respect a silly faith that insists I'm going to hell; If you believe in the bible, I am going to suffer for all of enternity, Well fuck you, plain and simple. And I hate how they "feel sorry for you". Honestly, if you REALLY REALLY believe I am going to hell, I don't think I could be your friend. I think it is just culturally accepted to "respect" religion, but when it comes down to brass tacks, a lot of what is in the bible is just ancient bullshit that only means what you want it to mean. All the bible is is a playground to justify the craziest bullshit you can think off. It is a way for some to feel superior and smug. Any good that can be accomplished with the bible can be accomplished without.

I think religion is a sure fire way to teach ignorance, hatred, misunderstanding, an I don't give a fuck about science attitude--It holds unrealistic standards to reality, and teaches it is okay to accept things without fact. I personally think the world would be a better place with out religion. I really hope it dies out.




feeling superior over someone else is a sin and not accepted by God. No one is perfect or better than anyone else and the Bible makes that clear, you have to read it for yourself. Many christians haven't even picked up a bible aside from church :mad2: They make the rest of us look bad.




Yeah well it says in the bible that just because a christian goes to church doesnt mean he is really a "christian". It says in the time of tribulation only very few will be selected to walk with the lord eternally. There are people who go to church and claim theyre righteous, then as soon as service ends, they go and cheat on their wife with their neighbor.


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    #14333464 - 04/22/11 01:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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God has told how it would unfold, I suppose he "could" destroy all evil and/or the Devil in theory, but in this instance we dont have to theorise because its been told.  First in the Bible, then by Jesus himself, how it will will be, how it will end, and what to expect.  Destroying evil from its inception wasnt part of the plan.




Bible was written and edited by man. This also means no one knows with certainty what exactly Jesus told, let alone that he existed at all.

Also, if God knows how it will unfold then everything has a predetermined destiny. This destiny being determined by the creator, who willingly and knowingly created a universe full of evil and misery. Furthermore, with predestiny it makes no difference what I do, because what I do has already been told.




When the dead sea scrolls were discovered only around 20% of the writings were ever recovered, there would have benn edits en masse to make a book out of the small part of the original work.


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    #14333496 - 04/22/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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First and foremost "Hello, hope all is well with you".  I hope you can pardon my interjection, but wouldn't it make more sense to actually study the issue for yourself, based on what you find formulate your own opinion, then simply share your thoughts?  As opposed to “believing” in something blindly, with no real understanding for why, and just repeating someone elses talking points?  Actually that sounds alot like the perception of the people you're attempting to mock...No?

FYI, Dinosaur references are debatable, there is a passage in particular that could be interpreted to refer to Dinosaurs, Im just too lazy to look it up right now...just sayin.



I have, although not extensively I have plenty of arguments and know of more then a few contradictions religious people dont notice or care to.

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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14333569 - 04/22/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you're debating a religious person, I see basically two possibilities:


1.  They're a fundamentalist, in which case trying to argue with them will be like banging your head against a brick wall.

2.  They're actually more thoughtful and reflective than you thought, and have a more sophisticated interpretation of their religion than you expected.


I suppose there's a middle ground between the two that would be worth arguing with, but basically I think you first need to gauge where they're at before trying to argue with them.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: psilyguy]
    #14333626 - 04/22/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Because he loves you, and he wants to care for you.  Theres no adjective that can describe the presence of God.  I know it sounds GAY, but its true, no other way to put it.




But there is a area in the brain responsible for the god experience, and its quite easily activated with the use of a pulsating electromagnet placed over that area of the brain, many people, unbelievers and believers alike reported mystical experiences when the magnet was activated.

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If you want to get right down to it, God created Satan initially and so you could say God created evil, your context is grossly flawed, but you could say that.




Context is not flawed. God is either the supreme creator or he is not. There is no gray area in this regard.

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"Worthy" of worship...its your task to figure that out.  I have my reasons but they may not be yours, its a personal relationship between each of us and him.




By worthy of worship I really meant, why call him God at all? But either way, if it is meant to be a personal thing i'm down with that. But let it be a personal thing and please don't monetarily support oppressive organizations that try to force their religious beliefs on others.

OP take notes on this debate and how I've gone wrong. Then tell me if you find out how to destroy a religious person in a debate. I give up lol, night night.




He did exactly what I would figured he would do, which is change the subject whenever he was put on the spot, Im surprised he hasn't called out on faith yet.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14333918 - 04/22/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

First off...where was I "on the spot", secondly how did I change the subject?  Look before this progresses I feel like it would only be fair for me to say directly, you dont want this with me, in reading this thread its pretty obvious you arent very educated on the issue, and if you wanna make it a borderline flame war/debate Ill beat you soundly.  Dont hear what Im not saying, there are lots of people smarter and more schooled on this issue than I am, but you arent one of them.  I recognize Im new and I dont really wanna seem like a prick, but I feel like you're trying to insult my intelligence as opposed to discussing the issue.  No disrespect breh, just being honest in hopes of avoiding a conflict.  If I got off couse please feel free to ask a follow up, and Ill try to clarify.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Reppin501]
    #14334140 - 04/22/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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God didnt necessarily "create" evil in the context you're referring to.  Satan/Lucifer/Devil rebelled out of jealously against God, he was cast out and punished, which intensified his hatred for God.  Because he cant act against God directly, he instead lashes out at God's most adored creation, man.  When Eve was convinced to act against God's wishes the battle for mortal souls was on.




There are many conflicting stories when you compare the accounts of lucifer ( The morning star) being cast out of heaven. When the angels were created they were commanded to only worship Yahweh himself, which makes it a laughable that the omnipotent creators commands would go unheeded and one of his creations would grow to despise him. In the Qu'ran the arch-angel Satan is cast out because he had a infinite eternal love for God and adored him so intensely and would not bow down to anything else and it was when God created man and demanded the angels to also worship them Lucifer refused because he could not bring himself to bow down to anything inferior to himself since the angels are born of fire and man is made of clay and is is for that that he is cast out of heaven. Not his intense hatred for him, according to the Qu'ran that its.

Im not even sure of what holy text it is that you believe in, are you catholic? jewish perhaps?

EDIT: and what are your reasons for worshipping this God thing.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Reppin501]
    #14334228 - 04/22/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

To be fair I was basically the one who changed the subject a little bit. Now that i'm more sober and rested I can see that I flawed my argument right off the bat. I created an opening for the discussion of freewill and related topics, when the original argument isn't affected either way. If God made freewill or if he didn't has no bearing on the Omnipotent/Benevolent/Evil argument.

What Epicurus said is enough. If God is Omnipotent and Benevolent than there would be no evil. If God isn't both omnipotent and benevolent than he is either an Evil God, a Nice Guy, or a Nobody.


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: psilyguy]
    #14334546 - 04/22/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

arguing with people about religion

is fucking retarded


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