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Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent
    #14330420 - 04/21/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Good idea or bad idea? Like say I did this on like the outskirts of NYC and I biked into the city everyday, thereby being able to experience the city but not having to spend a dime on rent or gas.


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: s240779]
    #14330429 - 04/21/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Good idea or bad idea? Like say I did this on like the outskirts of NYC and I biked into the city everyday, thereby being able to experience the city but not having to spend a dime on rent or gas.




Where is this magical land that belongs to no one?


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14330438 - 04/21/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Good idea or bad idea? Like say I did this on like the outskirts of NYC and I biked into the city everyday, thereby being able to experience the city but not having to spend a dime on rent or gas.




Where is this magical land that belongs to no one?




I mean illegally. A covert hut.


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: s240779]
    #14330445 - 04/21/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:rofl:


land owned by noone?

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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: s240779]
    #14330456 - 04/21/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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superhigh said:
Good idea or bad idea? Like say I did this on like the outskirts of NYC and I biked into the city everyday, thereby being able to experience the city but not having to spend a dime on rent or gas.




Where is this magical land that belongs to no one?




I mean illegally. A covert hut.




I don't understand how you're gonna hide a friggin' hut...


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: s240779]
    #14330464 - 04/21/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I guess living in a van is a more practical alternative, but as far as hiding a hut, well there's this "jungle" on the side of a road going into my town that's like literaly a jungle and I imagine that a large portion is never visited.


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: s240779]
    #14330511 - 04/21/11 10:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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on the side of a road




Will you be selling oranges or watermelons?


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14330589 - 04/21/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Good idea or bad idea? Like say I did this on like the outskirts of NYC and I biked into the city everyday, thereby being able to experience the city but not having to spend a dime on rent or gas.




Where is this magical land that belongs to no one?




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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: numonkei]
    #14330612 - 04/21/11 11:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

nothing belongs to anybody, do what you want and fuck the MAN, man


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: Salomon]
    #14330661 - 04/21/11 11:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I doubt you could get away with it near a city. Here is why:

1. People will probably see you coming and going.
2. If it is near a city, lots of cars will be on the road, further increasing the probability of #1 happening.

3. The land is probably not owned by the government.



If you want to build a hut to live on freely you are probably going to have to do it deep in some national forest. Deep enough in the woods that no one will accidentally stumble upon it.


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: Salomon]
    #14330676 - 04/21/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:fasted: Yeah! You can't own property, man! Popplers are creatures too!


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14330683 - 04/21/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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land owned by noone?

sign me up




Noone might object to you squatting on his land.


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: Aser]
    #14330697 - 04/21/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I doubt you could get away with it near a city. Here is why:

1. People will probably see you coming and going.
2. If it is near a city, lots of cars will be on the road, further increasing the probability of #1 happening.

3. The land is probably not owned by the government.



If you want to build a hut to live on freely you are probably going to have to do it deep in some national forest. Deep enough in the woods that no one will accidentally stumble upon it.



i don't see how it would be any different from being a transient within the city. there are those that live behind dumpsters and shit. there are those that camp out in parks. i live in san francisco, and there is plenty of nature reserve outside of the city to live in. at least as long as the ranger doesn't catch up to you.


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: s240779]
    #14330704 - 04/21/11 11:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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superhigh said:
Good idea or bad idea? Like say I did this on like the outskirts of NYC and I biked into the city everyday, thereby being able to experience the city but not having to spend a dime on rent or gas.




Where is this magical land that belongs to no one?




I mean illegally. A covert hut.




You'll undoubtedly  get caught, and either get a shit storm of legal consequences, or the person will just trash your hut and beat the shit out of you.

I live in the country, and many people here keep an eye on their land (regardless of the quantity).  I know I'd be extremely pissed off if I caught someone in my woods without permission.


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: s240779]
    #14330707 - 04/21/11 11:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you belonged to a reserve close to a city you would be able to do it up in a heartbeat but your white, and your only goal in life is to not have to renounce money and to consume as much drugs as possible and no one likes dirty hippies so this musing of yours is fucked from the get go.


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: dummy]
    #14330733 - 04/21/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i don't see how it would be any different from being a transient within the city. there are those that live behind dumpsters and shit. there are those that camp out in parks. i live in san francisco, and there is plenty of nature reserve outside of the city to live in. at least as long as the ranger doesn't catch up to you.




I am assuming the land is privately owned. Land owners seem to keep tabs on what is happening on their property a lot more than the government does. It is pretty obvious if someone moves on to your land if you only have 10-30 acres to keep track of.


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: Aser]
    #14330944 - 04/21/11 11:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Find a river and dig a hole behind a low bush or tree and put a hut there...


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: s240779]
    #14331062 - 04/22/11 12:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Good idea or bad idea? Like say I did this on like the outskirts of NYC and I biked into the city everyday, thereby being able to experience the city but not having to spend a dime on rent or gas.




Bad idea, but close to a good idea. Check the laws in your state, but US federal forests and the state forests I know of have laws against camping in the same spot for a certain number of consecutive nights. In my state its somewhere in the ballpark of 2-3 weeks. So if you have a hut set up, eventually park rangers will figure it out and bust you.

However, make your camp portable and change locations within the time limit and you are in the clear. Also be sure to check into other laws about the forest you are planning on living in. For example, in my state, you can get fined for not burying your feces.


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: psilyguy]
    #14331073 - 04/22/11 12:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oh yeah, and don't do this on private property or you will and should, imo, pay the consequences.


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: psilyguy]
    #14331098 - 04/22/11 12:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Good idea or bad idea? Like say I did this on like the outskirts of NYC and I biked into the city everyday, thereby being able to experience the city but not having to spend a dime on rent or gas.




Bad idea, but close to a good idea. Check the laws in your state, but US federal forests and the state forests I know of have laws against camping in the same spot for a certain number of consecutive nights. In my state its somewhere in the ballpark of 2-3 weeks. So if you have a hut set up, eventually park rangers will figure it out and bust you.

However, make your camp portable and change locations within the time limit and you are in the clear. Also be sure to check into other laws about the forest you are planning on living in. For example, in my state, you can get fined for not burying your feces.




Wouldnt they also have laws against hunting wildlife or foraging in the forest? what do you plan on eating to sustain yourself with once your in there?


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: psilyguy]
    #14331099 - 04/22/11 12:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I would suggest (especially if on private property) you dig out a bunker and camouflage the entrance, although depending on your excavation/engineering expertise this may be impractical.


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14331132 - 04/22/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

There's also the impracticality of running a full construction operation and never being discovered. Just pointing that out in case you know that thought never crossed your mind


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14331152 - 04/22/11 12:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Depending on how familiar you are with manual labor, it wouldn't be to difficult to excavate the bunker with a shovel. The dirt could easily be dispersed into the surrounding "jungle".

You could then shore it up with some plywood and 2x4's. You wouldn't run a greater risk of discovery than you would simply entering/exiting the site normally.


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: Aser]
    #14331160 - 04/22/11 12:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If it is on private property like he said it would be wouldnt they owner kind of take notice of your tracks and obvious disturbances your gonna be leaving behind?


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: s240779]
    #14331192 - 04/22/11 12:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Good idea or bad idea? Like say I did this on like the outskirts of NYC and I biked into the city everyday, thereby being able to experience the city but not having to spend a dime on rent or gas.




Where is this magical land that belongs to no one?




I mean illegally. A covert hut.





you're prime picking for the next serial killer


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14331197 - 04/22/11 12:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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land owned by noone?

sign me up




Noone might object to you squatting on his land.




Or hers. Don't be sexist.


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14331292 - 04/22/11 01:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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If it is on private property like he said it would be wouldnt they owner kind of take notice of your tracks and obvious disturbances your gonna be leaving behind?




Yes. That is why most of us have advised him to not do it on private land. Those disturbances will happen whether or not he does construction. Living with 0 trace is impossible.

I was merely pointing out that constructing a "bunker" wouldn't necessarily be the reason for discovery if you went about it in the correct manner.


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    #14331547 - 04/22/11 02:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Wouldnt they also have laws against hunting wildlife or foraging in the forest? what do you plan on eating to sustain yourself with once your in there?




Sounds like this guy wants to still earn money and buy food from the city. But if someone wanted to live off the land for free and legally I bet its still possible. You could get licenses for bigger game every year during the appropriate seasons. I don't know all the laws, but a certain amount/type of foraging is probably legal. And hunting things like squirrel and rabbit is legal, I think. Of course you need the bigger game when you can get it or you will die from lack of fats. It doesn't sound like fun, but i'd be bummed if its really not possible to legally live wild in the US.


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: psilyguy]
    #14331820 - 04/22/11 05:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

how do you plan to cook your rabbit?  unless your at an actual camp site starting a fire will give u away and also most likely be illegal due to that asshole smokey the bear.  An altho u could travel to a campsite id imagine it would be a pain, and get u caught eventually, plus people would be like hey whats up...wtf is that a..."insert wild animal"

I think the best bet instead of a hut would actually be sleeping in a tree, would take a little work but there's alot of perks to doing that, the number 1 reason unlike a hut its not going to stick out as much well until fall then your planking or w/e would be easily seen, the second reason it keeps you slightly more safe from wildlife, instead of waking up to your head inside of a bears mouth you'll wake up to your tree shaking which would actually be a really great way to kill one with limited resources as it takes away alot of a bears advantages, assuming you've planned for such an event


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14331832 - 04/22/11 05:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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waking up to your head inside of a bears mouth




Dude, don't sleep over with your johns. :nonono:


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    #14331846 - 04/22/11 05:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i'd ask this question on a different site (maybe somewhere like www.digihitch.com), you'll have a more informed user base to pull from.

squatting is what you're referring to and yes, it can and is done all over the world, everyday. it takes a thick skin and some smarts to pull it off successfully. cities are the best place to squat since most people are too busy leading their lives to notice or care about some random human in the woods.

but then there's the other side of it. you will come into contact with some strange, potentially violent and scary mother fuckers. especially in the NYC area.

be careful and do your research. and whatever you do, don't have drugs on you. you will eventually get harassed by the cops and the first thing they'll do is search you and all your shit.


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14332797 - 04/22/11 10:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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how do you plan to cook your rabbit?  unless your at an actual camp site starting a fire will give u away and also most likely be illegal due to that asshole smokey the bear.  An altho u could travel to a campsite id imagine it would be a pain, and get u caught eventually, plus people would be like hey whats up...wtf is that a..."insert wild animal"




well if he is following my plan, he is in a legal position to be cooking over a fire.


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Re: Building a hut somewhere in order to not pay rent [Re: s240779]
    #14332820 - 04/22/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Good idea or bad idea? Like say I did this on like the outskirts of NYC and I biked into the city everyday, thereby being able to experience the city but not having to spend a dime on rent or gas.




:thumbup: very "Thoreau" like


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