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Re: My first Oyster logs [Re: GroboClone]
    #14350110 - 04/25/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Grobo, how big is your grow room and could you please specify which fogger you bought? 

I'm going to buy some Visqueen for like 75 bucks from Amazon (Panda) and do all 4 walls, floor and ceiling of a room that is 8X11X7 room which according to my calculations is big enough for a sizeable grow op, over a half ton a month.

I'm really pleased to hear that one fogger causes pools of water in your grow room, especially considering that mine is about as small a "room" as could be called such.  I was considering potentially having to purchase multiple units and that was looking a bit pricey.  The best thing about agar's setup is the flexibility in tank size. 

I'm going to get a 1500ml/hr unit which should kill a 30 gallon trashcan (purchased brand new of course) in a bit over three days.  Considering the water will have about 3% bleach or so in it that should keep things clean for three days before I take it 5 feet over to my bathroom and scrub it out. 

Definitely an acceptable amount of maintenance for such a setup (1/2 ton a month with room for expansion up to a ton or so)


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Re: My first Oyster logs [Re: Humility]
    #14350786 - 04/25/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

My room is 6'x9' with a 6.5' ceiling. Its an old coal room and has concrete walls. I finished the floor with waterproof membrane (Delta-FL) followed by 2" high density foam with plywood on top. The walls and ceiling are insulated with foil bubble wrap. I finished it off with vinyl flooring and panda plastic walls and ceiling.

I would highly recommend using vinyl instead of panda plastic for the floor. The plastic will get holes in it and leak, don't ask me how I know, let's just say it wasn't pretty.

Do the floor first then the walls and finally the ceiling, leaving a good size overlap at each joint. Use a good quality, preferably waterproof, tape (I use Tuck Tape)



I'm using a HERI brand fogger, I think I got it from Lee Valley. It's just the standard kind with one ultrasonic element. It was left over from a an ultrasonic cloner I built so I decided to see if it would work.

The fogger easily does 500 ml/hr, I think having it in the bucket with air blowing through ups the capacity.  I'm running into a problem though, the unit is only rated to run 8 hours straight and the ceramic disks are wearing out quickly. The coating separates from the disk and the output goes way down.

I think it's smart to go with the bigger fogger. Is the 1500 ml/hr unit a 5 jet?

I'm using a 25l brew bucket for my reservoir. I just top it up every day and clean it about once a week. Stuff likes to build up on the ultrasonic element so I clean that every couple days. I just run straight water, I don't like the idea of atomized chlorine floating around in the air.


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Re: My first Oyster logs [Re: GroboClone]
    #14351801 - 04/25/11 09:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Vinyl it is then.  Thanks for that as I can probably find some lying around somewhere.


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I think it's smart to go with the bigger fogger. Is the 1500 ml/hr unit a 5 jet?




Yes sir, MCL05 is my choice.  It seems the most appropriate for my needs.


I know having chlorine in the air sounds fishy and potentially dangerous but it's completely safe and helps to provide for an anti-bacterial atmosphere/environ.  Safe of course is relative; how much bleach is okay to eat?

Most experts agree a 3% solution diffused by air is okay; from what I understand it's standard.  I'll keep my fingers crossed though ^_^.


I'm proud of you for going the organic route concerning that variable though.  Does using chemicals for environmental sanitation preclude one from labeling themselves "organic"?  Probably so if it touches the food, eh?


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Re: My first Oyster logs [Re: Humility]
    #14352316 - 04/25/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for all the info avout your grow space, it's very useful.  I still haven't got my shit together on a fogging setup and the 4 day easter break and mutant king fruits prove i need it.  Stupid hydroponic stores all closed today! Grrrr!


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Re: My first Oyster logs [Re: NSF]
    #14355281 - 04/26/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Grobo, that's a good looking set up - the fact that you got Kings and not Pearls is a bonus - less spore load, better taste, longer shelf life and usually a much higher sales value! They are also much more CO2 tolerant so don't be surprised if you have to up the FAE for Pearls.

Humility - that's half a ton of substrate, yes...?


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Re: My first Oyster logs [Re: solarity]
    #14355812 - 04/26/11 03:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the kind words everyone.

Here is my first batch of samples ready to go out, seven one pound packs. The cluster weighs 9 oz. Not to bad for my first two logs considering we've been eating oysters with nearly every meal. Total off the two logs was well over 10 lbs.



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Re: My first Oyster logs [Re: solarity]
    #14358250 - 04/26/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Grobo those look beautiful man.  Where'd you buy your containers from?  That's one thing I haven't sourced yet.  I would love to find a shop online that sells little open cardboard boxes that have little mushrooms on them.  All of the sites that sell them for fruits and veg don't have mushroom boxes.

Those that you're using look very sterile and clean and appealing to a modern consumer though; I like them a lot!


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Re: My first Oyster logs [Re: GroboClone]
    #14358328 - 04/26/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Thanks for the kind words everyone.

Here is my first batch of samples ready to go out, seven one pound packs. The cluster weighs 9 oz. Not to bad for my first two logs considering we've been eating oysters with nearly every meal. Total off the two logs was well over 10 lbs.






What are you planning to charge per lb if you do not mind me asking?


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Re: My first Oyster logs [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #14358842 - 04/26/11 11:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Humility
right now I'm just using lettuce/spinach containers that I saved. For smaller quantities I'm using berry containers. Eventually I'll get reuseable containers for bulk orders and cardboard boxes for retail.


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Around here factory farm Oysters at the bigger supermarkets are $4 for a 100g pack, around $18/lb . They are tiny and come on a styrofoam tray wrapped in plastic. Most of the time they are literally rotting. I've seen some better looking Oysters in bulk at some of the specialty stores. The lowest price was around $16/lb.

Direct to customer I'm going to try $5 for 1/4 pound and $15 for a full pound. Just staring out with round numbers, I'll adjust accordingly.To restaurants and groceries I'm looking for about half of retail. If I can get over $10/lb I'll be very happy.

I have some meetings this week and I will know more then.


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Re: My first Oyster logs [Re: Humility]
    #14359373 - 04/27/11 02:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Packaging is very important, not just to the customer but it also gives an impression of who you are. Don't go stark white and sterile for organics, be more rustic.

A nice coloured wax or tissue paper in a box helps.

Humility: find plain boxes and then get 2 BIG rubber stamps made, one for 2 sides and one for the top. Piece of cake to apply, old world feel, repeatable and fast.

Wow, graphic design can be useful!  Glad i studied it.


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Re: My first Oyster logs [Re: GroboClone]
    #14359408 - 04/27/11 02:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Personally I would go for much more space in the box for appearance and profit! Are the boxes ventilated?

You might consider selling by the box/punnet at X$ each rather than weight this also avoids any complex weights/measures/trade legislation you may have.



Before you set prices check the price of King Oysters normally 1.5-2x the price of Pearl, esp for restaurants. - Its much easier to drop your prices than to raise them!


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Re: My first Oyster logs [Re: solarity]
    #14360222 - 04/27/11 09:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the tips.


The smaller boxes with more room look way better. Here are some 1 lb strawberry boxes with 8 oz of Kings in them.



The weights are more for my own use. They will just be put into Small/Medium/Large containers and sold by volume. Not only does this get around the weight legislation but helps with sticker shock. People are more likely to pick up nice looking box for $5/$10 than pay $20+/lb.

You're right about the prices. I still had Pearl Oysters in my head.  The last thing I was to do is price myself out of business.


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Re: My first Oyster logs [Re: GroboClone]
    #14360401 - 04/27/11 10:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Can't believe I missed all this hot action!

I love the vynal on the floor, I have panda film rolled out for mine and it is indeed a mess.
I will be making that upgrade soon, Thanks for sharing.

I also love the packaging, I have been sampling mine out in paper bags, I think the little bins you have are much more appealing.:awethumb:

Great job Grobo!!!!!Congrats on the success of your pilot and much continued success and you move forward. It all looks great!!:awedance:


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Re: My first Oyster logs [Re: Ozzy]
    #14366741 - 04/28/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Things are going good and the mushrooms are moving. I've had offers from $5 to over $20 a pound. Only one store refused them saying they have no market for Oysters.

A lot of interest for different types of mushrooms: Chanterelle, Shiitake, Shimeji, Morels. This is good, hopefully my Shiitake will be ready next month and Morel season is coming up. Most of the stores I went to were catering more to the organic crowd. For the most part they were satisfied enough that I didn't use pesticides or chemical fertilizers. I also mentioned to that I could grow on organic grain and straw if they needed me to.

As I was leaving one store a chef came up to me and told me to stop by his restaurant. I think this will be where the demand is. I'm going to start giving samples to some higher end restaurants focusing on local produce.


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Re: My first Oyster logs [Re: GroboClone]
    #14367920 - 04/28/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yep those strawberry boxes are very similar - the mushrooms really seem to like the ventilation rather than the flow wrapped styrene trays...

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As I was leaving one store a chef came up to me and told me to stop by his restaurant. I think this will be where the demand is. I'm going to start giving samples to some higher end restaurants focusing on local produce.




You are right there, also when you add up the time and packaging costs for the retail punnets you start to realise how nice it is to shift 5 or 10lbs in trays to a restaurant!
Restaurants that are happy to do them as a special will be happy with an erratic supply, the higher end boys might want to know that you can guarantee supply, which at this stage if your pilot is like mine was... you cant, so let them know up front.
Personally I love the chefs and shop keepers that get really excited to see "what I had this week" and would take whatever I brought them!


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My first Oyster logs (Update 05/04/11) [Re: GroboClone]
    #14400476 - 05/04/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The new logs have been in the grow room for 9 days now. They are all showing good growth. The original logs have started their 2nd flush, if you can call it that. Only a few single mushrooms are popping up. I don't think I gave the first logs enough time to colonize. The new logs got a few extra weeks and fruited sooner.



The mushrooms are still fruiting wherever they want so I'm constantly cutting new holes. I think the problem is I didn't cut enough holes initially (maybe 20 per log). All the holes I cut as soon as the logs were packed have nice clusters growing from them. The holes I cut once in the fruiting room, not so much.


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Re: My first Oyster logs (Update 05/04/11) [Re: GroboClone]
    #14401197 - 05/04/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Grobo, this thread is awesome. So much info in just two pages.

I really like your packaging. I'm about to start selling mushrooms at farmers market, and then moving to restaurants and grocery stores. I'm in New Mexico, and there is literally no mushrooms on the shelves at the stores, and none in the restaurants, though I can't speak for the farmers market, so I'm thinking it's going to work out pretty good. I'm thinking going with packaging like yours is going to be better than selling them by the pound, I really like it.

It's also interesting you started from spore...most commercial endeavors I've seen have used a trusted commercial strain, and this was my plan as well. Is this just to get you started, or are you planning on purchasing some monster cultures later on in your mycological career? Have you looked into taxes, etc, because I was curious about that as well.

I'm sorry to ask so many questions. I'm getting ready to try my own commercial endeavor (although we're looking at renting some space somewhere rather than doing it in the house, since we rent an apartment) and I'm just curious to see how others run theirs.


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Re: My first Oyster logs (Update 05/04/11) [Re: guywiththegun]
    #14401662 - 05/04/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Glad to have you on board guywiththegun, I'm always interested in hearing from people heading down the same path as I am.

Even thought I got the syringe from "RalphstersSpores" all their edibles are live mycelium in Liquid Culture. And yes, I definitely want to get my hands on some "monster cultures".  As it stands, I already have another large order of strains/species on the way form Ralph_Edibles. I can't wait to start trading and get some truly great strains.

I don't know too much about New Mexico specifically but I would look for a facility that is underground and mushrooms that can take higher temperatures.  You will probably still  need to cool the air in the summer.


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Re: My first Oyster logs (Update 05/04/11) [Re: GroboClone]
    #14401988 - 05/04/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

We've actually got the temps here in Albuquerque, it doesn't get much above 80 during anytime of the year, and at night it gets real low, around 60 or so. All I really need is a way to control humidity, but since it's so dry I can use a swamp cooler as both cooling and supplemental humidity in theory.


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Re: My first Oyster logs (Update 05/04/11) [Re: guywiththegun]
    #14405668 - 05/05/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Nice, sounds doable then. Now all you have to do is find a space that can handle all the humidity.

Here are some of the early mushrooms. It's going to be a busy week....





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