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Iraquis can't wait to be liberated
    #1433026 - 04/06/03 06:57 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

The idea that Shiites will cooperate with coalition might be wrong. I'm afraid that there's a big misunderstanding of the situation - USA is "liberating" Shiites in Iraq and at the same time threatens Iran which has Shiite muslim majority.
I just read an interview with Iraq dissident who had to leave country because of Saddam regime. He said something like this:
"Sure we hate Saddam, but USA don't want to liberate us, they want to colonize us. They just watched how Saddams army destroyed us during the Basra uprising in 1991. As soon as they remove current regime I'll return to Iraq to fight Americans!"
This war will be far from over when Saddam is defeated.

Anyone remember how USA helped Afghans (Talibs) to liberate themselves from Soviets and what happened then?



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Re: Iraquis can't wait to be liberated [Re: zeronio]
    #1433027 - 04/06/03 06:59 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

USA is satan, what do you expect?


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Re: Iraquis can't wait to be liberated [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1433028 - 04/06/03 07:02 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

For them it is.
War is not a good method for changing that opinion.


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Re: Iraquis can't wait to be liberated [Re: zeronio]
    #1433071 - 04/06/03 09:23 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

zeronio writes:

Anyone remember how USA helped Afghans (Talibs) to liberate themselves from Soviets and what happened then?

The USA, along with MANY other countries, provided assistance to the Afghani resistance fighters. Their contribution was less than many of the other countries providing assistance (Saudi Arabia and France, to name just two). Why, then, do you single out the USA for criticism?

Secondly, the Taliban didn't even exist at the time of the Soviet occupation. This is easily checked.

Thirdly, the entire world was at that time condemning the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan (which is why so many countries provided aid to the Afghani resistance) -- remember the boycott of the Moscow Olympics? -- and was hoping that the Afghanis would be liberated.

Are you saying you believe the expulsion of the Soviet occupation forces from Afghanistan was a bad thing?

pinky


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Re: Iraquis can't wait to be liberated [Re: Phred]
    #1433073 - 04/06/03 09:28 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I thought he was saying that the leaving of the door open so as the taliban could take power was the mistake made.Not that the removal of ussr troops was a bad thing?How did you come to the conclusion he was asking that?


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Re: Iraquis can't wait to be liberated [Re: Paid]
    #1433078 - 04/06/03 09:40 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Paid writes:

I thought he was saying that the leaving of the door open so as the taliban could take power was the mistake made.

That's not how his comment was worded -- "Anyone remember how USA helped Afghans (Talibs) to liberate themselves..."

To me this equates the Afghani resistance with the Taliban. Does it not appear that way to you?

Even assuming that the sentence was poorly phrased and that it meant what you interpret it to mean, your argument implies that people should not attempt to liberate themselves, because at some point down the road an organization which doesn't yet exist may seize power. In other words:

"Better the foreign devil you know than the one you don't".

As an excuse for inaction, this argument works fairly well. As a recipe for freedom, it sucks big time.

pinky


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Re: Iraquis can't wait to be liberated [Re: zeronio]
    #1433146 - 04/06/03 11:17 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Be careful debating with Pinky. The guy uses facts.

Cheers,


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Re: Iraquis can't wait to be liberated [Re: ]
    #1433182 - 04/06/03 11:54 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Be careful debating with Pinky. The guy uses facts.

Cheers,




OOOOOOH!! You gonna take that zeroino? He's saying you don't use facts.



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Re: Iraquis can't wait to be liberated [Re: Phred]
    #1433184 - 04/06/03 11:55 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

You're right pinky. I wasn't very accurate...

It's true that many Iraquis hate Saddam, but that doesn't mean that they will take this "liberation" as a friendly act.
Saddam was a big enemy of the rest of arab regimes until 1991, because he was supported by USA & because his regime was ateist. He was a nightmare of islamic fundamentalists. USA will make a big favor to Bin Laden & co. with his removal.
Military interventions cannot bring anything good here. There will be many terrorist attacks in Iraq & the rest of the world even after this war is over.

And... the american intervention in Afghanistan was crucial. The Soviets quickly left when USA supplied the resistance with stinger missiles. But it is quite obvious that the main goal of USA was the defeat of Sovets and not the liberation of Afghanistan. As soon as Sovets left nobody cared about it anymore. They were just another victims in the cold war chess game. They hate USA as much as they hated Soviets. Did anyone notice that the war in Afghanistan isn't over? The operations against Talibs are still going on, it's just the media that don't report much about them.

You can't fight terrorism with military. Israel is doing it for 50 years and made 0 progress.


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Re: Iraquis can't wait to be liberated [Re: ]
    #1433200 - 04/06/03 12:07 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Be careful debating with Pinky. The guy uses facts.




I'm.
I know that the Talibs came later. I'm young, but I started to follow the news early. I still remember the images of Soviet intervention and the shit that followed.


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Re: Iraquis can't wait to be liberated [Re: zeronio]
    #1433231 - 04/06/03 12:35 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I know this affects all of our lives but I suggest to you as I have suggested to everyone:

Remember that life can be so much more. Too much television watching can cause depression, anger, and rage.

Remember the mushrooms! Enjoy them! And flowers!

And your friends, like me.


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Re: Iraquis can't wait to be liberated [Re: ]
    #1433288 - 04/06/03 01:05 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

once america takes over the country is going to be split up into three


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Re: Iraquis can't wait to be liberated [Re: Phred]
    #1433300 - 04/06/03 01:11 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Are you saying you believe the expulsion of the Soviet occupation forces from Afghanistan was a bad thing?



I would say we probably did the right thing by assisting the Afghani resistance. I've actually heard that one of the major things that made Afghanistan turn against us was the fact that we pulled out all of a sudden and left them to fend for themselves. This after giving Osama Bin Laden his CIA training.


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Re: Iraquis can't wait to be liberated [Re: arabmobster]
    #1433301 - 04/06/03 01:11 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

yeah, regular, unleaded, and diesel. :grin:

Sorry, I know this joke is getting overdone, but I couldn't resist. heh


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Re: Iraquis can't wait to be liberated [Re: arabmobster]
    #1433303 - 04/06/03 01:12 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

What is your opinion of that? List the reasons for your opinion. I am very interested to hear it.

Cheers,


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Re: Iraquis can't wait to be liberated [Re: arabmobster]
    #1433497 - 04/06/03 03:04 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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once america takes over the country is going to be split up into three



The legislative, the executive and the judicial?


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Re: Iraquis can't wait to be liberated [Re: zeronio]
    #1433502 - 04/06/03 03:08 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks to Americans, this 12 year old boy was liberated from his arms!



http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=focusIraqNews&storyID=2515407



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Re: Iraquis can't wait to be liberated [Re: pattern]
    #1433528 - 04/06/03 03:24 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Now he'll never be able to masterbate.


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Re: Iraquis can't wait to be liberated [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1433532 - 04/06/03 03:25 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

That's what feet are for. Or he's gonna have to learn how to bend real far


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Re: Iraquis can't wait to be liberated [Re: Phred]
    #1433537 - 04/06/03 03:26 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Their contribution was less than many of the other countries providing assistance

Do you have any evidence for this?

Secondly, the Taliban didn't even exist at the time of the Soviet occupation.

That's a little misleading. They didn't call themselves the taliban then no. Otherwise they were exactly the same people with exactly the same beliefs. It's like saying Bob Dylan wasn't Bob Dylan when he was Robert Zimmerman.

Thirdly, the entire world was at that time condemning the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan

It's a little more complex than that. The peoples revolution in 1978 was progressive and made many laudable attempts to improve health, social policy and education. With the CIA actively working to destabilise the government and install their own vicious puppet dictator on the Russian doorstep, progressive elements of the Afghan government asked for help from the Russians.

Are you saying you believe the expulsion of the Soviet occupation forces from Afghanistan was a bad thing?

Without the funding given to what would become the Taliban by the US, particularly surface to air missiles, it's more than likely the Russians would have withdrawn within a very short space of time. There was certainly no economic advantage to staying once the government was established. The US was intent on dragging Russia in a Vietnam style situation which is why they funnelled enormous amounts of arms and money through Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to the afghan fundamentalists.

As the legitimate Afghan government themselves stated at the time to the UN:

Leave us alone, the Soviet military contingents were brought in at our request and in accordance with the Soviet ? Afghan treaty and Article 51 of the United Nations Charter.?



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