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BoldAsLove
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Why are drugs illegal?
#14329434 - 04/21/11 07:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It might sound like a stupid question, but I think its valid. Sorry if this is in the wrong forum by the way.
But seriously, why are they illegal? Obviously there are drugs that are terrible for you and highly addictive(meth, heroin, etc.) and there are drugs that aren't so bad for you(weed, LSD, shrooms, etc.), yet they are all illegal. Here is my reasoning why all drugs should be fully legalized:
1) Prohibition does not reduce the demand, it increases it. This has been shown with the prohibition of alcohol. People who want to use these drugs will get these drugs and use them, regardless of the legality.
2) By making drugs illegal money is being funneled to illegal gangs. If all drugs were legal, gangs would lose most of their profit, and significantly more money would be available for law enforcement agencies.
3) There are many deaths from mistaken purities, dosages, substances, etc. These could all be controlled if there was government regulation of drugs.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't think people should do hard drugs that can be addictive and dangerous, but I feel that it should be their right to choose to do so. I also think that making drugs illegal is solving nothing and causing way more problems than solutions.
I've also noticed that the government doesn't criminalize a drug until it becomes popular and used by a huge amount of youth. I'm its happening right now with Salvia. Salvia has been used for quite a while, but only recreationally in small amounts. It wasn't until Salvia surged in popularity that the government decided to try and criminalize it. It seems they only target "fun" drugs, but that could also be because those are the only ones that are actually abused.
Hell, I can understand them making dangerous drugs illegal, but drugs like LSD and shrooms?! LSD has been proven to have virtually 0 addiction potential, is safe to use longterm, and is virtually impossible to OD on. And don't even get me started on weed being illegal, that is just downright wrong!
I know money and power, particularly from pharmaceutical companies plays a huge role here, but I feel that there has to be some other reasons too.
I realize that this might be a very naive view of the whole situation, but thats why I'm posting it here, to hopefully understand this a little bit better.
What are your opinions on this? Anyone have any insights?
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: BoldAsLove]
#14329459 - 04/21/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Trust me, this is the last place where you will need to convince people that drugs should be legal lol
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: BoldAsLove]
#14329473 - 04/21/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's quite simple really. It's not drugs that are made illegal, but states of mind.
There are many different states of mind, the only state of mind that is legal however, is that which focuses on the production and consumption of material goods. After all, we are simply the servants of those in power.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: BoldAsLove]
#14329501 - 04/21/11 07:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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So they can sell you their pharmecuticals and keep you under control workin your 9-5.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: nice1]
#14329510 - 04/21/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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We're all just the broken pieces of their well oiled machine!
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Dawks]
#14329515 - 04/21/11 07:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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We ARE a society based on production. Anything that goes against that is looked down upon. They allow us one vice, alcohol. And the only reason it's allowed is because it's the only one that people know and aren't scared of (for the most part).
People are scared of drugs because they don't understand them. Most everyone is misinformed. I'm sure you've heard of Reefer Madness; the idea is the same. There's so much out there like that. The guy who took acid and thought he was a glass of OJ. If you take acid x times you're clinically insane. The only thing that will make people realize how safe some drugs are, is knowledge. It's finding a way to get that knowledge to the masses that is so difficult. The seed is so firmly planted in everyone's mind that drugs are so bad, and that's not something that is easy to change. I'll be so bold to say that it's similar to religion in that respect.
I'm one of the few people that will say that I believe almost all drugs should be legal. Of course that only scratches the surface, since there always need to be SOME drug laws in place, but for the most part, decriminalization would work wonders here in the U.S. and everywhere.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Dawks]
#14329518 - 04/21/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It'd be significantly harder to control the masses if drugs were legal or socially accepted. More people might actually stop and look at the bigger picture. This would be at the cost of productivity and especially in America, productivity is everything. Profits uber alles etc etc.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: nice1]
#14329519 - 04/21/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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nice1 said: So they can sell you their pharmecuticals and keep you under control workin your 9-5.
This. This vid illustrates the point very well
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Dawks]
#14329523 - 04/21/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Maybe for those people that wanna quit drugs but can't. It leads to depression... Which leads to more drugs... And if the drugs don't kill you, you kill yourself from extreme depression.
I personally think drugs should be legal. In a way that limits people and helps them moderate so helps them quit. I don't know... The laws would be very complicated to make so that no one got hurt. So its easier to just make it illegal.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Third i]
#14329532 - 04/21/11 07:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Third i said: Maybe for those people that wanna quit drugs but can't. It leads to depression... Which leads to more drugs... And if the drugs don't kill you, you kill yourself from extreme depression.
I personally think drugs should be legal. In a way that limits people and helps them moderate so helps them quit. I don't know... The laws would be very complicated to make so that no one got hurt. So its easier to just make it illegal.
Smart dude right here. We're on the same wavelength.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: nice1]
#14329552 - 04/21/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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nice1 said: So they can sell you their pharmecuticals and keep you under control workin your 9-5.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: nice1]
#14329560 - 04/21/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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nice1 said: keep you under control workin your 9-5.
Turn on, tune in, drop out does not lead to a robust GDP. It's that easy.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: bholzer]
#14329652 - 04/21/11 07:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Third i said: Maybe for those people that wanna quit drugs but can't. It leads to depression... Which leads to more drugs... And if the drugs don't kill you, you kill yourself from extreme depression.
I personally think drugs should be legal. In a way that limits people and helps them moderate so helps them quit. I don't know... The laws would be very complicated to make so that no one got hurt. So its easier to just make it illegal.
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Third i said: Maybe for those people that wanna quit drugs but can't. It leads to depression... Which leads to more drugs... And if the drugs don't kill you, you kill yourself from extreme depression.
I personally think drugs should be legal. In a way that limits people and helps them moderate so helps them quit. I don't know... The laws would be very complicated to make so that no one got hurt. So its easier to just make it illegal.
Smart dude right here. We're on the same wavelength.
Thanks. I really don't expect a lot of people to understand unless they have seen the bad side of drugs.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Third i]
#14329817 - 04/21/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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we kinda talked about something similar to this today in one of my classes. we were asking why weed is illegal, but alcohol and cigs are totally fine when they are way more destructive. finally the teacher just said "honestly, it is the governments way of fucking us, pardon my language. the government wants you to do things that are bad for you and will ultimately lead to you dying earlier. it costs less for the government to help pay for cancer treatment because of smoking than it does to pay your social security and all for 20 years."
he said some other stuff too, but i dont remember it exactly
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: speedy_r6]
#14329890 - 04/21/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You are the government. You and I. We the People.
Get out and vote. Every time.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Doc_T]
#14330207 - 04/21/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The day drugs like LSD and Shrooms are legal is the day i will believe in a God.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: blackhawk]
#14330241 - 04/21/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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because the majority of people think they should be. government brainwashing.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: w1llyw0nka]
#14330342 - 04/21/11 10:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I totally agree with government brainwashing... But also many of the dumbass' out there ruin it for people.
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The answer to this question can be neatly packaged in one word: POLITICS.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: FleshCap]
#14330566 - 04/21/11 10:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Because they were all legal once in our history, and the entire workforce and population became addicted, and unproductive. I watched a History Channel Documentary on it.
Some things should e illegal, but stuff like weed, and shrooms should be legal.You could argue cocaine I suppose, Heroine should be illegal though. That's just imo.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: FleshCap]
#14330570 - 04/21/11 10:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Drugs , they fear this
and want us to ...
I'm going to be regardless.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: FleshCap]
#14330586 - 04/21/11 11:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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drugs are ilegal because the global war on drugs is a gold mine government just wants there cut they r like gang leaders they make more money busting people and importing heroin then selling junkies their dope
also pharma doesnt want any self medicating plants are not easy to control
just
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psilocybinjunkie said: Heroine should be illegal though. That's just imo.
oxycodone, fentanyl, hydrocodone.......ect...
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: thissongis]
#14330681 - 04/21/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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psilocybinjunkie said: Heroine should be illegal though. That's just imo.
oxycodone, fentanyl, hydrocodone.......ect...
Illegal, yes, but decriminalized.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: thissongis]
#14330708 - 04/21/11 11:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was just getting at the point that they already have semi legal controlled drugs similar to the fully illegal ones and they are just as addictive and even stronger. The problem is the pharmaceutical companies and how the government controls them. Either way you look at it people will get high.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: thissongis]
#14330732 - 04/21/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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thissongis said: I was just getting at the point that they already have semi legal controlled drugs similar to the fully illegal ones and they are just as addictive and even stronger. The problem is the pharmaceutical companies and how the government controls them. Either way you look at it people will get high.
Oh, I gotcha!! I completely agree.
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psilocybinjunkie said: Because they were all legal once in our history, and the entire workforce and population became addicted, and unproductive. I watched a History Channel Documentary on it.
Some things should e illegal, but stuff like weed, and shrooms should be legal.You could argue cocaine I suppose, Heroine should be illegal though. That's just imo.
junkies will never die legalizing all drugs is the answer to alot of problems like drug related crime, contaminate related overdoses(90% of all drug overdoses have nothin to do with the dope its the cutter), sure people will rob you for drug money but it doesnt fall into the hands of murders it goes to your local drug store if drugs were legal taxes would be paid schools built blah blah but politicians like money and expensive things charity doesnt exist in their eyes
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psilocybinjunkie said: Because they were all legal once in our history, and the entire workforce and population became addicted, and unproductive. I watched a History Channel Documentary on it.
Some things should e illegal, but stuff like weed, and shrooms should be legal.You could argue cocaine I suppose, Heroine should be illegal though. That's just imo.
junkies will never die legalizing all drugs is the answer to alot of problems like drug related crime, contaminate related overdoses(90% of all drug overdoses have nothin to do with the dope its the cutter), sure people will rob you for drug money but it doesnt fall into the hands of murders it goes to your local drug store if drugs were legal taxes would be paid schools built blah blah but politicians like money and expensive things charity doesnt exist in their eyes

Damn straight.
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illegal drugs = terrorism
well imported illegal drugs people usually miss the point follow the money opium comes from many places including the middle east who controls the the taliban guns money c/i/a they r all partners in crime
more of
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#14330780 - 04/21/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Only if we had a decent thinking government who made decisions with open minds and not keeping their heads stuck up their ass. Damn politicians...
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TheThirdEye said: Only if we had a decent thinking government who made decisions with open minds and not keeping their heads stuck up their ass. Damn politicians...
shroomery needs a like button lol
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TheThirdEye said: Only if we had a decent thinking government who made decisions with open minds and not keeping their heads stuck up their ass. Damn politicians...
shroomery needs a like button lol
They kinda do, the plus button at the header of posts
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punkrocker292004 said: illegal drugs = terrorism
well imported illegal drugs people usually miss the point follow the money opium comes from many places including the middle east who controls the the taliban guns money c/i/a they r all partners in crime
more of 
I guess that is a big con of having drugs illegal. Also the drug cartels of Mexico making a shit load of money but I guess there is always two sides to it. I mean we haven't had a government which legalized all drugs so we wouldn't know exactly how that would be. I'm for making drugs legal but only for some... You know what I mean. Things can get out of hand very quickly. And haha thanks for agreeing with me (: Only if a perfect society was possible... or just less corrupt as it is now....
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shroomery needs a like button lol
They kinda do, the plus button at the header of posts 
lol i had no clue
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lol i had no clue
Yea, I don't think people use it often.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: bholzer]
#14330891 - 04/21/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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mind control and money
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punkrocker292004 said: illegal drugs = terrorism
well imported illegal drugs people usually miss the point follow the money opium comes from many places including the middle east who controls the the taliban guns money c/i/a they r all partners in crime
more of 
I guess that is a big con of having drugs illegal. Also the drug cartels of Mexico making a shit load of money but I guess there is always two sides to it. I mean we haven't had a government which legalized all drugs so we wouldn't know exactly how that would be. I'm for making drugs legal but only for some... You know what I mean. Things can get out of hand very quickly. And haha thanks for agreeing with me (: Only if a perfect society was possible... or just less corrupt as it is now....
i lean toward completly legalizing everything and a complete government shut down drugs where legal b4 government i believe one should not have any power over another man im not for violence,sin and debatchery but i believe only god can judge a man and government just impends inebidible catastrophe and damnation but i could be wrong there is no answer only faith
but back to the topic drugs where made illegal because of racisism
they where kept illegal for my obove mentioned reasons.
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"i lean toward completly legalizing everything and a complete government shut down drugs where legal b4 government i believe one should not have any power over another man im not for violence,sin and debatchery but i believe only god can judge a man and government just impends inebidible catastrophe and damnation but i could be wrong there is no answer only faith"
Hm... interesting view. I see where you are coming from now. Very interesting something to think about. Thanks!
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im glad you understand most people would shove down a god theory
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im glad you understand most people would shove down a god theory
Ha well I'm pretty religious myself but I believe that God gave us the choice of letting us picking our own ways and leaving the judgment up to him. Cuse as of right now the government judges our rights and wrongs not God; however, Jesus said go by the rules of the land but I'm not so sure that is in effect when our government is this corrupt.
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im glad you understand most people would shove down a god theory
Ha well I'm pretty religious myself but I believe that God gave us the choice of letting us picking our own ways and leaving the judgment up to him. Cuse as of right now the government judges our rights and wrongs not God; however, Jesus said go by the rules of the land but I'm not so sure that is in effect when our government is this corrupt.
it also sais there will be a time when certain foods or sumthing to that measure will be banned that where previously accepted
simply put prohibition does not work "Adam ate the apple"
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im glad you understand most people would shove down a god theory
Ha well I'm pretty religious myself but I believe that God gave us the choice of letting us picking our own ways and leaving the judgment up to him. Cuse as of right now the government judges our rights and wrongs not God; however, Jesus said go by the rules of the land but I'm not so sure that is in effect when our government is this corrupt.
it also sais there will be a time when certain foods or sumthing to that measure will be banned that where previously accepted
simply put prohibition does not work "Adam ate the apple"
Good point. Yup totally agree prohibition doesn't work. Reason why Jesus died on the cross for us since he knew that we weren't gonna listen.
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Thats what it comes down to guys, money. Corporates have a lot invested in keeping drugs illegal.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: tizjack]
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tizjack said: (Bill Hicks on the illegality of drugs and mushrooms) - "Whats gonna happen to the arms industry, when we realize we're all one?!"
Thats what it comes down to guys, money. Corporates have a lot invested in keeping drugs illegal.
Pretty much. Like what are they going to do with all the unneeded cops.
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tizjack said: (Bill Hicks on the illegality of drugs and mushrooms) - "Whats gonna happen to the arms industry, when we realize we're all one?!"
Thats what it comes down to guys, money. Corporates have a lot invested in keeping drugs illegal.
Pretty much. Like what are they going to do with all the unneeded cops.
Well that's one of the huge things...they can focus that force where it's actually needed!!
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tizjack said: (Bill Hicks on the illegality of drugs and mushrooms) - "Whats gonna happen to the arms industry, when we realize we're all one?!"
Thats what it comes down to guys, money. Corporates have a lot invested in keeping drugs illegal.
Pretty much. Like what are they going to do with all the unneeded cops.
Well that's one of the huge things...they can focus that force where it's actually needed!!
EXACTLY! Fucken dickhead cops terrorizing innocent potheads and shit. Wtf is that?
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Yea, those bastards arrested me. I had less than a gram, and now I might not be able to continue college due to court and probation costs. I should have known the possibility, but still
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bastards got me too im going to my prelim soon
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bholzer: for a GRAM of weed?! The hell?
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Whats the charge?
conspiring to posses mj
talk about a bs charge
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: tizjack]
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tizjack said: (Bill Hicks on the illegality of drugs and mushrooms) - "Whats gonna happen to the arms industry, when we realize we're all one?!"
Thats what it comes down to guys, money. Corporates have a lot invested in keeping drugs illegal.
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I got done for less than a gram of weed as well. they fully patted me down, made me take off my shoes, degraded me while telling me i'm a bad person and that i will have mental issues if i keep smoking the evil marijuanas'. They then proceeded to assume i had syringes on me and asked if i was carrying any heroin. Also, this was at a peaceful music and lifestyle festival. Ignorant police officers are the scum of the earth. Not police in general, but the ones that believe they are doing good for busting pot heads. It's this attitude that exemplifies the hubris and tyranny of our 'protectors'.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: tizjack]
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Seriously Police are assholes and dicks but then again there are those that are chill and are more lenient.
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Yesss and we need more of those! I had a really close call once after getting pulled over and I'm pretty sure the cop knew all about it and just decided to be nice. Perhaps he was a stoner himself
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If only you guys would get up off the couch and go vote, we could have that government.
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If only you guys would get up off the couch and go vote, we could have that government.
Its not all about voting, its about swaying the dumb voters opinions. For example my grandparents LOVE bill o'riley, glen beck, fox news shit mostly and they are in there 80s barely able to move around. AND THEY DO NOT MISS A CHANCE TO VOTE, it could be for the new fucking mountain dew. But they voted for bush and think he was the man, and they still support the war. And they think Obama is the antichrist people voting can cause a fucktard being put in there just as much as it can do the opposite. I have yet to vote since I turned 18 a month too late in 08.
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yep, talk about me being pissed.
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conspiring to posses mj
talk about a bs charge
Yea, that's crazy...
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Doc_T]
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drugs are illegal because your mind won't let you believe you can go to the store and buy them legalizse in your mind if you want to.
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It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom. - Bill Hicks
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its not a war on personel freedom its a money scheme taking advantage of sick people (ie drug addicts)
oh and doc you tell me who you can vote for that will deliver on their promises and i will gladly help put them, into office but thats not gonna happen the government needs to shut down so the police are in poverty and the polititions cia fbi dea all federal workers the only federal workers i believe should be saved r the park rangers and conservation sections and peace corp ect
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Doc_T]
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If only you guys would get up off the couch and go vote, we could have that government.
Exactly who are you suggesting that we should vote for?
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Miksiton]
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all y'all interested in learning more about trillion dollar social catastrophe called the war on drugs, please check out THE EXILE NATION PROJECT, full film in my sig.
also support the project in this thread: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14312484
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: yogabunny]
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I don't believe its any sort of government "conspiracy" per se. It's hard to change deep-rooted feelings especially when those feelings are chained down by unwavering morality derived from religious text and a culture's zealous emphasis on productivity that practically becomes the fabric of your brain if you let it.
That being said, I hope we humans come to a better understanding of substances and each other. I use opiates and other drugs considered highly addictive/taboo/dangerous infrequently and have not succumb to addition. Why should you be able to tell me I am physically and mentally incapable of being responsible when I demonstrate caution and intelligence with any substance or situation I encounter?
The real addictions are beliefs and stigmas implanted by social conditioning that are so far entrenched in the average person that they will go their entire lives without even taking a second glance at it. Low-points and weaknesses stemming from from this entrenchment and unfortunate situations in a person pave the way for dependence on a substance. If all your happiness and purpose comes from a single source, of course it will be nearly impossible to free yourself from its manacles.
Its a complicated issue. A productive society doesn't want it's members to do anything that could harm this productivity. But my personal happiness contributes to my desire to produce. If I can show that I can be stable and use drugs, you have no right to question my doing so if we set a base level for risk and productivity at the base level of ability. I'd take it a step further and say the government has no right to have a blanket policy on personal responsibility. Laws for the lowest common denominator are fallacious, and as long as I live I won't be content with them. Let's emphasize realization and understanding before we emphasize control. If it turns out we have to live in paranoia of each others ideologies so much that we forbid them, then I'd say our species has some bigger issues to contend with.
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Cultures that fear and hate plant based drugs have a serious disconnect from the natural world. After many years of reflection on this abnormal phobia, I feel the antipathy is most prominent in cultures that wish to control nature and not listen to nature's lessons. By dissociating from the natural world and refusing to accept their part in it's process, they create an false dichotomy between humans and nature. We are all part of the cosmos from the elements that form life which were created in the core of giant stars that exploded and sent these elements throughout the universe to the quantum world of quarks, mesons, gluons, leptons, gravitons, et. al. When humanity accepts their humble but unique role in the cycle of life, they will lose their fear and find peace and acceptance. We can, after all, be the voice that speaks for this wonderfully special world.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: AlphaCM]
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the reason all drugs are illegal is because they can't tax it, they can't control it and there afraid of minors using it. Beer is used by minors we don't want that t
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Oh c'mon, there are a million people that do the most stupid shit drunk yet it's legal. Make ALL drugs legal with valid information provided and get rid of the government conditioning about it and have age limits like alchohol, IMO.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Shrink]
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Shrink said: I don't believe its any sort of government "conspiracy" per se
If human greed is a conspiracy then it it Thats all that it comes down to. They say money is the root of all evil but its actually us. Everyone is corruptible when enough of the good life is on offer or the stakes are high (like you will be assassinated if u don't play ball).
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: nice1]
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When it comes to psychedelics anyways (including weed)))) they do have a tendency to tear down the customs and the mindset of the carefully brainwashed average joe and jane. think about it. the industrial cooperation complex are spending and depending on you behaving and acting in a certain way. buy makeup, buy ridiculous overly expensive "designer shit". the consumer mindset that they have forced upon us for the past 100+ years is teared down in a matter of a couple of hours or so. you start to think about things with a different perspective and question current events and what have you. this is in their eyes dangerious.
The reason cannabis (including the highly useful for any purpose, industrial hemp, which does not get you high in any way by the way, was banned in the 30s because certain people had recently "created" new materials like plastic, synthetic cloth and things like that (which has horrible side affects and are of poor quality for the cause of making you buy more on a regular basis))... the consumer complex.
when it comes to other drugs, well, take a look at the alcohol prohibition, it heightens value and makes it "cooler" to get access to something.
Hey, CIA imports probably 50%+ of cocaine and heroin. its good bis.
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AlphaCM said: Cultures that fear and hate plant based drugs have a serious disconnect from the natural world. After many years of reflection on this abnormal phobia, I feel the antipathy is most prominent in cultures that wish to control nature and not listen to nature's lessons. By dissociating from the natural world and refusing to accept their part in it's process, they create an false dichotomy between humans and nature. We are all part of the cosmos from the elements that form life which were created in the core of giant stars that exploded and sent these elements throughout the universe to the quantum world of quarks, mesons, gluons, leptons, gravitons, et. al. When humanity accepts their humble but unique role in the cycle of life, they will lose their fear and find peace and acceptance. We can, after all, be the voice that speaks for this wonderfully special world.
you are awesome. drugs are illegal because they're more awesome than anything our nations, religions and corporations have to offer. the good drugs, anyway
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: timelapses]
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Oh c'mon, there are a million people that do the most stupid shit drunk yet it's legal. Make ALL drugs legal with valid information provided and get rid of the government conditioning about it and have age limits like alchohol, IMO.
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psilocybinjunkie said: Because they were all legal once in our history, and the entire workforce and population became addicted, and unproductive. I watched a History Channel Documentary on it.
Some things should e illegal, but stuff like weed, and shrooms should be legal.You could argue cocaine I suppose, Heroine should be illegal though. That's just imo.
And you should trust this history channel documentary?
I don't believe it to be true, there are many examples of hard drugs being decriminalized and there being no significant increase in use, sometimes there is even a decrease. But I guess I could see the concern.
I think there should be some kind of way to use them legally, whether it be get a license for the specific drug and only get a certain amount each month, or have designated government "trip houses" so to speak that you rent out and get enough just for that trip.
Idk I think they should all be totally legal, available at your nearest drug store but that's asking for too much. For crime reduction purposes (trust me it would DRASTICALLY reduce crime) and just for fucking freedom purposes they should def be legal
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The problem with drug legality is that all drugs have a potential for abuse, and most people neglect to get informed about the dangers and side effects of many drugs. Obviously alcohol is legal, and you can see how it's abused in our society. You could make the argument that if all drugs were legal, it would be like this only even more dangerous. I mean think about all the drugs people could easily and dangerously abused with a lack of information?
Now I would definitely argue that it is our right to make a decision about what we put in our bodies, and I would certainly agree there's something morally wrong about taking away our right to choose, but I would also take into consideration how many people would take these drugs without researching them and thinking for themselves. I think most people who research drugs enough to assess the risks and decide whether they want to take them are the people who take them and don't get caught. Basically, I believe that the people who should be allowed to take drugs are already taking them and are doing it discreetly and being intelligent about their use. The problem is that we cannot make drugs legal for informed people. Laws just don't work that way; we can't say "you don't know enough about this substance to know how to use it safely, so you cannot take it". It's either all or none (except in cases of mental illnesses, like how we limit the availability of firearms in the United States to the mentally stable), so it comes out to be none.
I believe not all currently illicit drugs should be legal. I believe marijuana should be legal because in the face of alcohol and cigarettes, its hard to make the argument that marijuana should be illegal because of physical damage (cigarettes, lung damage, alcohol, liver damage & potential brain damage). It's quite the double standard to keep those two legal and marijuana illegal. I just think if psychedelics were legal, for example, there would be tons of people doing them without the proper research, and I'm sure we could agree bad things would happen to those who aren't prepared for the experience, the media would blow it up into this huge thing, and it would end in a complete mess and probably a change in legal status again. IMO, psychedelics should remain illegal because it deters the people that aren't going to make safe decisions about how they use them from using them. Those who are using them right now, while they are illegal, generally make safer decisions about how they use them and smarter decisions about who knows about it, and usually don't get caught. That's not true in all cases, but that just goes to show that both options are poor options. Complete legality and complete illegality both have their flaws, but we don't exactly have a middle ground on this one. Or do we? Any suggestions?
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I'd take dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery, as Thomas Jefferson said. Expanding on that, I don't think that the drug war is any more "peaceful" than the dangerous freedom being spoken of. I'd argue that the black market and nonviolent incarceration that it creates is equally as harmful, if not more so.
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i think the fact that the people that use drugs now are the most responsible could be argued.... There are a higher amount of criminals, people in bad situations, people with mental problems using drugs than in the general population, ratio-wise (depending on the drug). And these groups are probably the worst for self-control, self-discipline, intelligence. I also think there would be way more knowledge about how to use drugs responsibly floating around if they were legal but that's just MHO
Why don't they just legalize them for a year and see what happens? Would prob be misleading tho since their would be an explosion in use initially.
I just want to use my drugs responsibly without having to go meet some fucking sketchy dude who could be selling me god knows what lol
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Shrink said: I'd take dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery, as Thomas Jefferson said. Expanding on that, I don't think that the drug war is any more "peaceful" than the dangerous freedom being spoken of. I'd argue that the black market and nonviolent incarceration that it creates is equally as harmful, if not more so.
I definitely agree with you. The point I really wanted to make was that making all drugs legal wouldn't solve all of our problems. It is an important point that their illegality causes a lot of violence and such. Maybe in a perfect world, people would make better decisions about drug use and none of them would be illegal in the first place 
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I just want to use my drugs responsibly without having to go meet some fucking sketchy dude who could be selling me god knows what lol
I think a trial like that would seriously mess with the moral compasses of a lot of people. There are a lot of pretty close minded people who believe that the government makes laws based on morality, and that anything illegal is immoral. Imagine if everybody realized this wasn't true. If the drugs went back to being illegal, we could have a lot more serious issue on our hands.
And I know what you mean. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to actually know what you're buying for sure? I only buy through people I know, but you never really know what's in there... Besides, regulation would cut down on drug related death and injury.
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I think a trial like that would seriously mess with the moral compasses of a lot of people. There are a lot of pretty close minded people who believe that the government makes laws based on morality, and that anything illegal is immoral. Imagine if everybody realized this wasn't true. If the drugs went back to being illegal, we could have a lot more serious issue on our hands.
And I know what you mean. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to actually know what you're buying for sure? I only buy through people I know, but you never really know what's in there... Besides, regulation would cut down on drug related death and injury.
O yea didn't really think about that... Trust in government would drop DRAMATICALLY if they were legalized and people were exposed to the truth about drugs.
And yea man imagine fucking giogn to the store and buying what you know will be pure LSD, or MDMA. That would be the fuckin shit, that's what it was like for the early adopters right after the synthesis of LSD. Lucky bastards!
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extreme



Registered: 04/05/11
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I think a trial like that would seriously mess with the moral compasses of a lot of people. There are a lot of pretty close minded people who believe that the government makes laws based on morality, and that anything illegal is immoral. Imagine if everybody realized this wasn't true. If the drugs went back to being illegal, we could have a lot more serious issue on our hands.
And I know what you mean. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to actually know what you're buying for sure? I only buy through people I know, but you never really know what's in there... Besides, regulation would cut down on drug related death and injury.
O yea didn't really think about that... Trust in government would drop DRAMATICALLY if they were legalized and people were exposed to the truth about drugs.
And yea man imagine fucking giogn to the store and buying what you know will be pure LSD, or MDMA. That would be the fuckin shit, that's what it was like for the early adopters right after the synthesis of LSD. Lucky bastards!
It's kind of sad that so many people do think that the government makes laws based on morality. If they all found out that wasn't true..
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AlphaCM
Shaman-Rabbi



Registered: 09/26/09
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Loc: Aberdeen, Scotland
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Hi Gabbaganchi: Thanks for your kind comments. I credit growing up on a small dairy farm, cannabis and Carl Sagan for helping me see the natural connections that sustain all life. As humans, we have a duty to speak for our planet and hopefully expand our awareness to other worlds. I like your Salvador Dali icon. What does Gabbaganchi mean?
May Gaia sustain and enlighten you in all your paths.
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Oasis182
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Registered: 05/06/11
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shroomybgood said: We're all just the broken pieces of their well oiled machine!
Perfectly said my friend!
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psche-path



Registered: 02/22/13
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: BoldAsLove]
#18083345 - 04/09/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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BoldAsLove said: By making drugs illegal money is being funneled to illegal gangs
Maybe the government is getting some of that money...
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