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Selling legal mushrooms and the FDA
    #14328213 - 04/21/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I live in Arizona and my friend and I are planning on opening a warehouse to grow and sell exotic mushroom species. We've been searching the internet like made to find out what restrictions and licenses we'll need from the FDA, but we can't find any information.

We plan on opening an online site to sell dried mushrooms, and selling locally to farmers markets in our area. Once we start making money, we want to open a retail store and sell fresh, dried, and kits.

Has anyone looked into the laws regarding this? Please help.


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Re: Selling legal mushrooms and the FDA [Re: sublimehypocrisy]
    #14328226 - 04/21/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Selling legal mushrooms and the FDA [Re: sublimehypocrisy]
    #14328242 - 04/21/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I live in Arizona and my friend and I are planning on opening a warehouse to grow and sell exotic mushroom species. We've been searching the internet like made to find out what restrictions and licenses we'll need from the FDA, but we can't find any information.

We plan on opening an online site to sell dried mushrooms, and selling locally to farmers markets in our area. Once we start making money, we want to open a retail store and sell fresh, dried, and kits.

Has anyone looked into the laws regarding this? Please help.





What exactly do you mean by exotic species ?


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Re: Selling legal mushrooms and the FDA [Re: Damion5050]
    #14328295 - 04/21/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oyster, Reishi, portobello, shitake, miatake, lion's mane...the stuff you don't see in normal grocery stores. Everything but button tops....which we'll also grow....

But I don't think the type of mushroom matters too much as long as it's legal. I'm just wondering what the FDA would say, and what kind of licenses I'd need.


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Re: Selling legal mushrooms and the FDA [Re: Damion5050] * 1
    #14328301 - 04/21/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

As far as I know, you can sell them locally as long as you have a label on them stating that they were not made, produced, or grown in any FDA approved environment. As far as selling over state borders, I have no idea.

ports are not exotic in anyway, btw. Most grocery stores carry those.

Hopefully RR chimes in on this topic, because I'm interested as well.

This is also the wrong section of the forum. You should be in gourmets & medicinals.


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Re: Selling legal mushrooms and the FDA [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14328340 - 04/21/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks and sorry. I had no idea where to post it, since it has to do with cultivation. I would, however, like to get my business FDA approved. I know it'll cost me, but we're willing to front the cost to get a real business going.


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Re: Selling legal mushrooms and the FDA [Re: sublimehypocrisy]
    #14328363 - 04/21/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

you can be a "real" business w/out any approvals. You just have to have clients that don't mind a non-FDA approved food source.


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Re: Selling legal mushrooms and the FDA [Re: sublimehypocrisy]
    #14328401 - 04/21/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

There's the real trick. Thanks for the info. Now to find out how to get FDA approved....and find a decent warehouse with good cooling to start my grow shop. =)


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Re: Selling legal mushrooms and the FDA [Re: sublimehypocrisy]
    #14328416 - 04/21/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'd recommend the local farmers markets & small family owned restaurants. They're the best to sell gourmets & medicinals to off the bat. Get a good name going for yourself w/ a little loot set aside for the FDA approval, then go for it.

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Re: Selling legal mushrooms and the FDA [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14328521 - 04/21/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

RR just spent 700 bucks on his organic certification. Now he can label his products likewise. Go to your state's department of licensing, I'm sure you can find someone on that site that will know how to get you started. It's all about money, and if you have it to spend, they will be more than happy to help you.


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Re: Selling legal mushrooms and the FDA [Re: TranscendingLife] * 1
    #14328582 - 04/21/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you're going to dry, slice, cook or otherwise process your product, you need to register as a processor, and last time I checked it cost $500 to do so.  If you're only selling fresh mushrooms, you need no permit or anything else from the feds.  If you want to increase value, you should look into organic certification, since it's really the only way to break into the larger supermarket chains.

Stores that won't even talk to you if you're not USDA organic certified, will be ringing your phone off the hook as soon as you get it.  The reason is they'd rather stock their main produce isle shelves with cheap imported mushrooms, and then have an organic section where they buy from local certified organic producers.

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It's all about money, and if you have it to spend, they will be more than happy to help you.




Actually, it's not all about money.  It's about growing everything on substrates that came from certified organic sources and being able to prove it.  The $700 actually cost the state money, I'm sure.  There were two inspections, several months of paperwork, lab testing of our mushrooms, and issuing the certificate.  There's also random inspections and field testing for pesticides to keep the growers honest.


This should really be in the gourmet section, but I like to leave a few of these threads here for the new growers to know what lies ahead, should they progress to that point.
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Re: Selling legal mushrooms and the FDA [Re: Microppose]
    #14328598 - 04/21/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Check this out...

http://www.naturalnews.com/032142_food_freedom_Maine.html

In Vermont, you don't need any kind of license.  You just have to sign a form stating that you make at least 80% of what you're selling and that the rest is made by another producer in your same area.  Vermont is a lot more into pushing local food than most states, but I know New York doesn't require any kind of license for FMs either, and they like to outlaw everything.


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Re: Selling legal mushrooms and the FDA [Re: Microppose]
    #14328642 - 04/21/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Roger, you're a saint and a gentleman. You've helped me so much in the past and this saved me a whole lot of research.

If I make it big I'll be sending you some donations. Thanks again. =)


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Re: Selling legal mushrooms and the FDA [Re: sublimehypocrisy]
    #14328672 - 04/21/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks RR for leaving this here. I've been watching cause I might be interested in it later on.
Been thinking about it, but not enough funds for building and stuff right now.
Good info to know though.


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Re: Selling legal mushrooms and the FDA [Re: sublimehypocrisy]
    #14328694 - 04/21/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I found this information for Arizona:

Does the State of Arizona have an Organic Certification Program?

No. The state of Arizona does not have a separate organic program. The requirements of the National Organic Program will apply to the sale of all organic products in Arizona.

http://www.azda.gov/main/faq.htm#Does%20the%20State%20of%20Arizona%20have%20an%20Organic%20Certification%20Program


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Re: Selling legal mushrooms and the FDA [Re: sublimehypocrisy] * 1
    #14328891 - 04/21/11 05:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I found this information for Arizona:

Does the State of Arizona have an Organic Certification Program?

No. The state of Arizona does not have a separate organic program. The requirements of the National Organic Program will apply to the sale of all organic products in Arizona.






Why does this not surprise me? :rolleyes:

Well, the USDA requires that if you're going to call your product organic, it must be certified by a third party, usually a State Department of Agriculture.  You can't just follow the 'farming' part of the guidelines and use the word organic.  That puts you in a tight spot because to use the word 'organic' you have to be certified, which means a paperwork trail and inspections.

Arizona might not give a shit about healthy stuff like organic farming, but the feds do, at least until the opposing party comes back to power, at which time the farm-subsidy sucking corporate mega-farms will once again control the USDA.
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Re: Selling legal mushrooms and the FDA [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14328979 - 04/21/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Replace the word "Organic" with "All Natural" or just "Natural".
That would probably cost the tax payers as the government will spend millions outlawing the use of "Natural"
Oops no politics here.
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Re: Selling legal mushrooms and the FDA [Re: mabachko]
    #14329343 - 04/21/11 06:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks again Roger. Luckily my business partner's younger brother is getting out of the navy and has money in a savings account. He said it's 20,000 and he is willing to invest in us. I'm thinking 5k should be enough to get things rolling. I'll keep you guys informed as to what happens and what bullshit I go through. =)


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Re: Selling legal mushrooms and the FDA [Re: sublimehypocrisy]
    #14329626 - 04/21/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Will be looking forward to yor updates.
I think 5k is really low though to get started.
I would expect at least 10k and that is not including your time.


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Re: Selling legal mushrooms and the FDA [Re: sublimehypocrisy]
    #14329668 - 04/21/11 07:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

My guess is that if you are selling by weight you need to have an approved scale.  You can't just use any rinky dink scale, it has to be approved for trade, and probably calibrated periodically. 

First I would check with whatever farmers market or supermarket you plan on selling at/to.  They may have specific requirements you need to meet, and they probably know where to direct you for more knowledge. 

Check the US Department of Agriculture's website for info. 

Your city might require a vendor permit.  You may contact city hall and just ask them.  Or again, talk to the farmer's market people, they will know about this.

Maintain a high quality product and you should have no problems.

Good Luck...

P.S. If you go for USDA cert'd, don't fuck up or cut corners.  They don't like that, they can pull your certification, or worse...


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I'm getting started [Re: sublimehypocrisy]
    #14533824 - 05/29/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Good news! I made a deal with a friend after explaining my business plan for growing mushrooms. He has a doctors office in Scottsdale and he's going to rent out the office right next to it for growing mushrooms.

We plan on selling to farmers markets in the area and eventually opening up our own mushroom store where people can get dozens of species and pick them fresh!

I did some research on yellowpages.com and found that there are NO mushroom growers in Arizona. Everything sold in stores here is brought from out of state or from Mexico.

I spoke with a manager at Whole Foods market and he said they support local growers, and gave me a vendor form to fill out with what they expect, and to allow them to inspect the facility once opened.

Once we get the shop opened I'll send in some pictures of us setting up shop, and get a new thread started to show our progress.

Again, I want to thank RR for everything and I'll be donating quite a bit of money to him once I start making it big.


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Re: I'm getting started [Re: sublimehypocrisy]
    #14533887 - 05/30/11 12:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: I'm getting started [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14534103 - 05/30/11 01:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: I'm getting started [Re: sickofit]
    #14534207 - 05/30/11 02:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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