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Smoked DMT at the peak of Ayahuasca?
#14327358 - 04/21/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have 25g of Mimosa, 5g of Rue and ~50mg of pure nn-DMT sitting in my little Pandora's Box. I was wondering if anybody has had experience smoking DMT during an Ayahuasca peak before? I would like to hear your experiences with it.
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Re: Smoked DMT at the peak of Ayahuasca? [Re: sunset_mission]
#14327415 - 04/21/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I haven't done it yet, but I'm curious to know if that half gram of Rue is an extract? If not, I'm pretty sure you need about 3.5 g's of whole seeds for one extended trip into hyperspace.
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Re: Smoked DMT at the peak of Ayahuasca? [Re: mrnoname]
#14327420 - 04/21/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh woops, it's 5g of Rue seeds.
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Re: Smoked DMT at the peak of Ayahuasca? [Re: sunset_mission]
#14327562 - 04/21/11 12:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sorry I to keep you off topic but, wow, dude, I checked out that song in your sig. Good thing I tested it out before going into the Other. It turned intense HARD and fast. I cant even fathom the realms it must take you too. Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
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Re: Smoked DMT at the peak of Ayahuasca? [Re: mrnoname]
#14327594 - 04/21/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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mrnoname said: Sorry I to keep you off topic but, wow, dude, I checked out that song in your sig. Good thing I tested it out before going into the Other. It turned intense HARD and fast. I cant even fathom the realms it must take you too. Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
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I know, I love how it starts off mellow but you can tell it's building up to something... Then boom. Sheer fucking insanity, though the ending of the song is so beautiful, except not many people are able to stick around through all the chaos to hear it.
Yeah I got to see this weird tall lanky jester elf thing grooving HARD to the fucking song, playing every instrument at once... For every note played in that song (and I've listened to it enough to be able to discern every single note, which is why I love it so much) imagine 30 more played, yet somehow it was still the same sounding song, plus the guitar tone got REALLY outerspace-y. Like.. a whole orchestra of 15 different alien instruments were playing it. My friend told me that every single note is really a bunch of notes comprising it, so I guess I got to hear what the song "really" sounds like.
The elves were really loving this song, THEY APPROVE
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Re: Smoked DMT at the peak of Ayahuasca? [Re: sunset_mission]
#14327678 - 04/21/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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sunset_mission said: I have 25g of Mimosa, 5g of Rue and ~50mg of pure nn-DMT sitting in my little Pandora's Box. I was wondering if anybody has had experience smoking DMT during an Ayahuasca peak before? I would like to hear your experiences with it.
I have vaporized DMT after drinking ayahuasca before.
If you intend to use all the ingredients you mentioned in combination, you will not have smoked DMT at the peak of ayahuasca at all. In fact, ayahuasca will be nowhere near your experiment.
You see, 'ayahuasca' is not some catch-all term to be used when describing any random combination of DMT containing/potentiating plants.
Ayahuasca refers to one plant: Banisteriopsis Caapi
It can also refer to a brew made from this plant, which may or may not contain admixture plants (which themselves may or may not contain DMT).
Mimosa hostilis, as far as I have read, is not commonly used with ayahausca by native people. Syrian rue grows on the other side of the world and has absolutely nothing to do with ayahuasca except that it contains similar psychoactive chemicals (and potentially toxic ones as well).
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I know dude. I know it's an Ayahuasca Analogue. Would you rather I call it DMT smoked on a Mimosahuasca peak? You can spare me the semantics discussion, I've been to DMT-nexus and the Ayahuasca forums before. I want to hear about people's experiences of smoked DMT on Mimosa +Rue. If you have any I'd like to hear it, and I may as well hear your DMT on b. caapi/psychotria viridis/diploterys since I may be getting a hold of them this year, but no technicality lectures please.
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Re: Smoked DMT at the peak of Ayahuasca? [Re: sunset_mission]
#14327799 - 04/21/11 01:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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sunset_mission said: I know dude. I know it's an Ayahuasca Analogue. Would you rather I call it DMT smoked on a Mimosahuasca peak? You can spare me the semantics discussion, I've been to DMT-nexus and the Ayahuasca forums before. I want to hear about people's experiences of smoked DMT on Mimosa +Rue. If you have any I'd like to hear it, and I may as well hear your DMT on b. caapi/psychotria viridis/diploterys since I may be getting a hold of them this year, but no technicality lectures please.
The same always happens to me, I use ayahuasca when referring to mimosahuasca, just as a term of ease. More people know the term. Then people always fly at me with "it's not really ayahuasca blah blah"
I'm tired of hearing that shit.
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Re: Smoked DMT at the peak of Ayahuasca? [Re: bholzer]
#14327954 - 04/21/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I know what you mean. Some people just don't react well to the evolution of language when it spreads across cultures.
When most people use the term Ayahuasca nowadays I just assume they mean an "oral DMT concoction" unless stated otherwise.
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Re: Smoked DMT at the peak of Ayahuasca? [Re: Remix]
#14327966 - 04/21/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Exactly, I don't assume any combination unless they say so explicitly.
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Re: Smoked DMT at the peak of Ayahuasca? [Re: bholzer]
#14328474 - 04/21/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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For a clear understanding, especially in writing, words matter. If you know the correct term, then kindly use it. It helps avoid confusion, and will put an end to any perceived criticism when people point out the correct terminology. 
W/R/T vaporized freebase with aya or pharmahuasca...yeah, I've done it, but only because the oral experience was weak. Kicked it up nicely and made the time set aside for the experience worthwhile when it otherwise might have been a wasted evening. Do be careful, though. A little bit of freebase goes a loooong way when you have a decent amount of MAOI on-board! 
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Re: Smoked DMT at the peak of Ayahuasca? [Re: bholzer]
#14328547 - 04/21/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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sunset_mission said: I know dude. I know it's an Ayahuasca Analogue. Would you rather I call it DMT smoked on a Mimosahuasca peak? You can spare me the semantics discussion, I've been to DMT-nexus and the Ayahuasca forums before. I want to hear about people's experiences of smoked DMT on Mimosa +Rue. If you have any I'd like to hear it, and I may as well hear your DMT on b. caapi/psychotria viridis/diploterys since I may be getting a hold of them this year, but no technicality lectures please.
The same always happens to me, I use ayahuasca when referring to mimosahuasca, just as a term of ease. More people know the term. Then people always fly at me with "it's not really ayahuasca blah blah"
I'm tired of hearing that shit.
i'm not sure what mimosahuasca is, but i've gotten that horseshit from a few people b/c what i took was in capsules. but, it was the exact same set of alkaloids found in the drink, only arguably purer and in pill form. i don't get it. to be honest, i see as much dogmatism in the ayahuasca community as i do in religious fundamentalist communities. very off putting to say the least.
oh, and to add to the op's question, i have no clue why anyone would need to smoke dmt during an ayahuasca peak. if you're able to sit up and actually perform the mechanics of smoking dmt, then something tells me that you haven't taken enough aya. just my opinion though.
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Re: Smoked DMT at the peak of Ayahuasca? [Re: millzy]
#14329178 - 04/21/11 06:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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my pet kitty smiked it while coming down somewhat on jurema-rue.
incredible - paths opening up in the forest, everything coming alive, grass people in a little town all paying homage to the grass king complete with a grass crown. The water in the lake looked as though it was running over the bank. Though the whole thing was pretty smooth - or so says kitty.
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Re: Smoked DMT at the peak of Ayahuasca? [Re: lurkmode]
#14330150 - 04/21/11 09:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, being that 'ayahuasca' is a plant medicine that isn't even very psychedelic, it KINDA MATTERS. Sorry, guys...
What you are talking about is worlds away from ayahuasca, which is commonly used in this culture, called by its correct name.
But whatever...
I brewed some ayahuasca vine (plain b. caapi vine and leaf, to avoid any confusion) and vaporized some 'jungle spice' from mimosa.
It was pretty amazing. It was probably the first DMT experience I have ever had that allowed me a significant degree of freedom. On oral DMT concoctions, I inevitably end up under-dosed or very sick with little psychedelic effects (which is still a good thing for me). On smoked DMT, the experience moves so fast and with so much intensity that I can barely even remember what happened.
This was the perfect middle ground. I would vape a couple of hits, play the didgeridoo and ride the DMT wave for as long as I desired. I was also able to have a pretty mundane, but intricate conversation with my wife while visuals were peaking - which was an interesting mental effect, somewhat reminiscent of the clarity and sobriety of mescaline or 2c-i.
I vaped probably 5 times that night, saw some amazing things, including a bearded caucasian figure (very reminiscent of the classical 'christ') that blew smoke all over my head and face. I eventually went to bed and woke up with some sore lungs
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how does putting the ingredients in gel caps make it non medicinal? further, how does it make it not plant based? that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
also, ayahuasca isn't psychedelic?
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Re: Smoked DMT at the peak of Ayahuasca? [Re: millzy]
#14330302 - 04/21/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It can be, but most people don't get overt psychedelic effects from ayahuasca vine.
Usually just a light buzzing sensation and maybe some purple hues on things. One can concentrate on the brew and find that many psychedelic states are more easily accessible to the mind, but this does not come about in the same way as it would from ingesting a tryptamine psychedelic or something.
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ReoSpeedwagon153 said: It can be, but most people don't get overt psychedelic effects from ayahuasca vine.
Usually just a light buzzing sensation and maybe some purple hues on things. One can concentrate on the brew and find that many psychedelic states are more easily accessible to the mind, but this does not come about in the same way as it would from ingesting a tryptamine psychedelic or something.
brother, it doesn't seem that you and i have ingested the same substance. my experience put me on my back and in another space entirely, interacting with....a lot of things, that weren't me nor projections of my subconscious. or at least that's my opinion of what happened at this point. and it didn't stop at "hallucinations". very, peculiar and inexplicable things happened in the physical space of our ceremony, with sober witnesses to verify.
in so far as aya not being a psychedelic in regard to it being perhaps something, more, i can see the argument. i think ayahuasca may well be in its own class of, whatever it is. as far as aya not producing psychedelic effects, if this is so, then i clearly am unacquainted with psychedelics.
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Re: Smoked DMT at the peak of Ayahuasca? [Re: millzy]
#14331045 - 04/22/11 12:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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millzy said:
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ReoSpeedwagon153 said: It can be, but most people don't get overt psychedelic effects from ayahuasca vine.
Usually just a light buzzing sensation and maybe some purple hues on things. One can concentrate on the brew and find that many psychedelic states are more easily accessible to the mind, but this does not come about in the same way as it would from ingesting a tryptamine psychedelic or something.
brother, it doesn't seem that you and i have ingested the same substance. my experience put me on my back and in another space entirely, interacting with....a lot of things, that weren't me nor projections of my subconscious. or at least that's my opinion of what happened at this point. and it didn't stop at "hallucinations". very, peculiar and inexplicable things happened in the physical space of our ceremony, with sober witnesses to verify.
in so far as aya not being a psychedelic in regard to it being perhaps something, more, i can see the argument. i think ayahuasca may well be in its own class of, whatever it is. as far as aya not producing psychedelic effects, if this is so, then i clearly am unacquainted with psychedelics.
I think he was speaking strictly of the caapi, not the entire aya brew.
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Re: Smoked DMT at the peak of Ayahuasca? [Re: bholzer]
#14331060 - 04/22/11 12:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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hmm, maybe you're right. the "brewing the vine with leaf" kinda threw me i guess.
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