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Invisiblecthoolhu
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    #14327033 - 04/21/11 10:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I was thinking of fasting today, I have never done it before. what do you think and what are your experiences with it?


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Re: fasting [Re: cthoolhu]
    #14327045 - 04/21/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i like eating because it provides me with nutrients to remain healthy and alive.

fasting is dumb.

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Re: fasting [Re: cthoolhu]
    #14327053 - 04/21/11 10:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Just be sure to drink lots of water.
Fruit juices are nice if you're low on energy.

Nothing wrong with a little fasting to clean out your digestive system- give that damn system a break!


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Re: fasting [Re: cthoolhu]
    #14327058 - 04/21/11 10:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I just fasted for 24 hours the other day.


I highly recommend it.  You learn to control your hunger, like I would get mad stoned and house a bunch of food before, but after I did that, it like separates the need and want for food so you can control your calorie intake easier.

The only thing I did was drink a bunch of water throughout the day, some people say drink juice.  Your stomach will start growling but it goes away.  It's pretty much just willpower,

I noticed the next day feeling lighter and more clear headed.  I was going to do another day of it, but I just kept thinking about food ha.

Next time i'll probably do it for two days, and work my way up.


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Re: fasting [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14327064 - 04/21/11 10:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Nothing wrong with a little fasting to clean out your digestive system


thats the reason i want to do this i ate a shit load all week and feel like it would  be nice to let it rest lol


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Re: fasting [Re: cthoolhu]
    #14327068 - 04/21/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The only thing I did was drink a bunch of water throughout the day, some people say drink juice.  Your stomach will start growling but it goes away.  It's pretty much just willpower,




Yeah i will be drinking only water and tea. I have a pretty weak willpower for food though lol hopefully the tea will keep me running through my workout :laugh:


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Re: fasting [Re: cthoolhu]
    #14327078 - 04/21/11 10:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If there's anybody who knows about fasting and staying healthy, it's the member awakendone. You should definitely ask him some questions on this, when I stayed over at his house we pretty much fasted, had some vegetable juices, and some fungi thangs. Healthiest weekend I've ever had!


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Re: fasting [Re: cthoolhu]
    #14327088 - 04/21/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The only thing I did was drink a bunch of water throughout the day, some people say drink juice.  Your stomach will start growling but it goes away.  It's pretty much just willpower,




Yeah i will be drinking only water and tea. I have a pretty weak willpower for food though lol hopefully the tea will keep me running through my workout :laugh:



I'd recommend against physically exerting yourself while fasting.  Generally the idea is to give the body as much rest as you can.  Just my 2 cents


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Re: fasting [Re: donteatasians]
    #14327141 - 04/21/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I dreamed about this topic last night. Weird!
Fasting is not harmful to a healthy person and has done wonders for some.
The first day is the hardest.
Don't think that eating a big meal before your fast will help you in any way, it only seems to make it that much more difficult.
Go for it.


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Re: fasting [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
    #14327151 - 04/21/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I will start fasting this instant, when should i stop?


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Re: fasting [Re: IamMatt]
    #14327166 - 04/21/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

When your cup is full.


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Re: fasting [Re: donteatasians]
    #14327194 - 04/21/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I agree, you shouldn't exercise when you're fasting... the idea behind fasting for health is cleansing the body of toxins and cleaning out your colon.

There are other methods of colon cleansing that they require patients to do before prostate exams that involve photos of your colon.  24 hours of water and jello, no other food or intoxicating beverages/substances, and at least 4 bowel movements within the 24 hours, often times Fleet Enemas are used to produce the bowel movements and clean the colon out.

Increase the method to 48 hours with at least 6 bowel movements and you'll be clean as a whistle.  Start Friday night and End Sunday.


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Re: fasting [Re: Sprezzatura]
    #14327263 - 04/21/11 11:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

awakendone needs to get up in this fucking thread already :kingcrankey:


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Re: fasting [Re: cthoolhu]
    #14327516 - 04/21/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yea I've experimented with fasting. I recommend trying just one day on water if your curious before you try extended fasts. After 2-3 days you no longer feel hunger, you're very alert and the body has a nice light buzz to it. I have the best sleep of my life when fasting for a few days. Most I've done on a water fast was 6 days. On day 5 my body began to feel real weak and decided to end it the next day. I wouldn't recommend going that long, not really worth it. I haven't done it in about 5 years.

As others said, physical exercise really shouldn't be done. Obviously going for a nice walk in the woods or yoga is encouraged though.


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Re: fasting [Re: LSDenthusiast]
    #14327580 - 04/21/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

how much auga should i drink?
how much h20 shouldi i ingest?


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Re: fasting [Re: IamMatt]
    #14327615 - 04/21/11 12:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Don't over do it. Just drink what you need. The point is to gain control over your physical body and it's a great time to put the spiritual before the physical. It can be as enlightening as a good trip if you put the effort into it. It's not just about going hungry. . .
Be sure to wash your face often as you may experience oily skin as your body 'decontaminates'.
Spend some time in nature or meditating or whatever you feel led to do.
Avoid hard drugs (coke, opiates, speed etc.) and alcohol.
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Re: fasting [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
    #14327619 - 04/21/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Alright thank you. I will report back after the first 24 hours. last i ate was around 9 a.m.


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    #14327781 - 04/21/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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awakendone needs to get up in this fucking thread already :kingcrankey:




i hate wasting my time when it dosent seem like people are dedicated to a real fast. fasting for a only a couple days or a weekend isnt even worth it. it takes a good 2 days for the early detoxification symptoms to even present themselves. around day 8 is when the real magic starts happening. thats when the bowels start purging themselves. 

i will swear by fasting! its one of the best ways to clean the body. however this is 2011 and we are fortunate to live in time when juicing fresh herbs and vegetables is possible. green juice fasting is far superior to water fasting! the juices require practically no energy to digest, which energy diversion is the whole point of fasting. and they provide tons of alkalizing minerals and nutrients that will actually aid the detoxification process.

i have never felt as AMAZING as when i have done extended vegetable juice fasting! i literally bounce of the walls with energy and cannot sit still. i have never taken as EPIC shits (i call it bowel purging) as i have after 8+ days of fasting.

getting your bowels cleaned of toxic fecal matter can literally change your life. this is key! also check into colonics. i will swear by them as well. spend however much it costs in your area. you wont regret it! your energy will improve, your mind and creativity will improve, you skin and complexion will improve, and you will thank me later!

anybody who claims that fasting is not natural is wrong! humans evolved with periods of food abundance and then food scarcity (freezing winter months for example). mcdonalds and taco bell everywhere is actually unnatural. most ancient civilizations understood and practiced the art of fasting. convienece is causing humans to loose touch with this.

it's rather simple, when the body is not spending energy digesting foods everyday. it will immediately begin to heal and detoxify itself rather amazingly! you would be surprised how much energy is actually spent on digestion.

and be aware of common detox symptoms. thick gunk build up on the tongue, skin breakouts, body odors, possible cysts, etc. all these will eventually completely clear themselves and the complexion will look great afterwards. oh yeah, and your thoughts may be erratic at first because the blood will have more toxins flowing in it. and the more extreme these symptoms are = the more toxic you are, and the more you will benefit from fasting. the world/environment is more toxic than ever these days.

i usually dont set an end to my fasts. i just go as long as i can, as it just keeps getting better! whats very important is that whenever you do end an extended fast to only eat very simple natural foods at first. i find fruits to be the best!

btw, all my best fasts were started unplanned. matter of fact an hour before this thread was started, i told sunset mission that i am starting another fast myself, because its already been 2 days since i ate anything solid, and last nights shroom trip gave me the inspiration i needed!

anyways im just randomly typing shit here. i could go on and on about the awesomeness of fasting. ive experienced AMAZING things from it! anybody who knocks fasting has either a) never tried it themselves or b) didnt give it enough time for the magic to happen!
let me know if you have any specific questions.

juice fast protips:
raw beet juice! this stuff is badass at cleaning the bowels. this stuff makes things move! dont be alarmed if you shit straight dark purple juice, it dose that! ive actually drank enough of it that even my piss will have a purple tint to it!
and if farmers markets are available for you get your plant material there, it makes a huge difference! they arent in season yet for me :thumbdown: during the season though, i am flyin' high! nonstop mr. feelssogood!
also drink lemon juice (buy a metal handheld citrus squeezer).
raw apple cider vinegar!
milk thistle liquid extract!
saunas! (sweat and replenish)
lots of clean water!

also, fasting or not, buying a decent juicer and using it, is possibly the best investment you can make healthwise. taking care of the body from the inside will surely reflect on the ouside.

hopefully this summer i will go all the way! at least 3 months on nothing but green juices and water.


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Re: fasting [Re: awakendone]
    #14327811 - 04/21/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:congrats: This dude is a fucking health guru.

This guy is the most vibrant, energetic guy I've ever met. I definitely felt some energy emanating from him, the rawfoodsandshroomdood :super:


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Re: fasting [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14327923 - 04/21/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Agreed, thanks awakendone your insight is appreciated and noted! I have only ever fasted for 2 or 3 days at a time and have never tried green juices but now I am inspired to follow through.


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Re: fasting [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14328321 - 04/21/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

haha i have to say after reading your post i too feel insired to keep this fast going as long as i can now itll probably be two days until i can control myself better lol. funny you mention the juicer and farmers market cause i was actually going to one this saturday  and have been thinking about getting a juicer. What brand of juicer do you use?


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Re: fasting [Re: cthoolhu]
    #14328349 - 04/21/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I need to eat or else I can't work.


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Re: fasting [Re: cthoolhu]
    #14328356 - 04/21/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I always thought the idea of fasting was kinda retarded.
I don't see how it would make you feel better, if anything it'd just make me really hungry :shrug:

why not just eat healthy to begin with? then you wouldn't need to fast.


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    #14328470 - 04/21/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

fasting rawks!  life changing fo sho!


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Re: fasting [Re: cthoolhu]
    #14328479 - 04/21/11 04:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I was thinking of fasting today, I have never done it before. what do you think and what are your experiences with it?




It makes me hungry.


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Re: fasting [Re: TYL3R]
    #14328643 - 04/21/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I disagree about the fasting less than 8 days. I've done 24 hours fasts and they are incredible. Don't discourage people who can't afford an 8 day fast. My job is very exhaustive so I couldn't do 8 days if I wanted to


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Re: fasting [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14328911 - 04/21/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

im the opposite. when i quit the solids i get more energy than i know what to with. i will get everything that i have been putting off accomplished, and then keep finding more shit to do. i literally cant sit still. the only time i will ever pace around the house is when fasting. cant keep my mouth shut either, i will call everyone that i know to talk to me, even have random conversations with all types of people that i run into on the streets.

idk, are you only water fasting? :shrug: its common for people to run themselves tired rather quickly on them. i know of several people who have done 4-6 month juice fasts no problem and had exceptional results


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Re: fasting [Re: cthoolhu]
    #14328973 - 04/21/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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haha i have to say after reading your post i too feel insired to keep this fast going as long as i can now itll probably be two days until i can control myself better lol. funny you mention the juicer and farmers market cause i was actually going to one this saturday  and have been thinking about getting a juicer. What brand of juicer do you use?




im using the breville 800jexl juice fountain elite. i do know its not the most efficient machine for getting the juice out, but its sooo damn easy to clean. it takes me ~45 seconds. i honestly dont know too much about different juicers, ive been using this same one since i started.

i really want to get a masticating style one soon


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Re: fasting [Re: awakendone]
    #14329214 - 04/21/11 06:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Also, here's a very good post about fasting from:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7061183#7061183

He also recommends 1-day fasts

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III. Fasting

Fasting for long periods (many days) can be a difficult and even dangerous experience for many, especially for those living in stressful or polluted environments. Yet fasting is the only real natural way to cure or alleviate almost any ill. It's powerful, effective, quick (that's why it's called "fast"ing), and best of all - it's free. No need to go to the doctor, wait in line, or pay exorbitant fees for treatments that rarely solve your problem or often just make it worse.

Of course, some problems, such as a broken bone or serious injury may require medical help or assistance, but for most ailments or diseases, fasting is the answer. Your body is your own best doctor and is always trying to heal or regenerate itself - if you let it. That's just the problem; most of us are so ignorant about our bodies and so addicted to certain bad habits that we never really give it a chance to heal properly. Only through pain and discomfort (the body's danger signals) are we made to listen. And even then we do not always understand what it is our bodies are trying to tell us.

We just haven't been taught the truth -that there is a price to pay for our sins, errors, or indulgences, and that they have a cumulative effect. Rich, unnatural, or chemically-laden foods will play havoc with your body, as will stress, overwork, pollution, or dangerous chemicals. Constant exposure to these and other negativities will slowly but surely break you down until you become ill or even die. That is why it is important to give you and your body a break from the maddening world around us. This can be in the form of a long vacation, relaxing weekend, or a fast. Vacations, weekends, or days off do not always turn out to be restorative, but you can't go wrong with fasting.

Fasting is the oldest, simplest, and surest way to put your health and spirits back on track. Nothing else works like it. The idea of refraining from food or water for regenerative purposes sounds strange or even frightening to most Westerners, but this is exactly what the(true) doctor ordered. In Eastern countries such as India and the Middle East, fasting is common and encouraged, and we would do well to follow their example. While it is true that stress and pollution make fasting today more dangerous than fifty or sixty years ago, this only applies to the longer fasts of about a week or more. Shorter fasts of one, two, or three days, when done properly, are perfectly safe and beneficial.

The one-day fast seems to be the ideal for most, whether you are a novice or experienced faster. By fasting one day a week (no food whatsoever -water is optional) you are giving your body a much needed true rest and time to catch up on neglected repair or cleaning. Important note: fasting of any kind is not recommended if you are pregnant, infirmed, on medication, a child, or in any other abnormal circumstance that requires supervision. Also, it is best to fast in a clean and quiet environment.

For novices, the first fast can be a challenge, but every succeeding fast will be much easier. For myself, it has gotten to the point where fasting for twenty-four hours every now and then has become quite effortless and even a joy. This is because I am thoroughly familiar with it and can count on its efficacies or benefits, which are immediate, both during and after the fast.



Naturally, there will be some weight loss, discomfort, dizziness, and other withdrawal symptoms, especially for beginners, but this is all part of the body's way of cleansing and healing itself: excess fat or weight will be burned off and chemicals and other poisons will be released into the bloodstream for expulsion. Only diseased or worn out tissue is burned or expelled. The body is not stupid enough to consume its own healthy tissue. The sicker you are, the more will be thrown out or eliminated. This is why those with advanced diseases must be supervised, and require longer and more frequent fasts.

By fasting, what you are in effect doing, is marshaling all of the body's energy (much of which would normally go into digesting) and focusing it on whatever needs to be cleaned or repaired. Rest or the conservation of your energy is also important to your fast. Sleep in itself is a kind of enforced fast that allows us to recover from our days' activities.

Your first one-day fast may not cure you of a long-standing illness or ailment but it will certainly help. Frequent or repetitive one-day fasts (once or twice a week) will be much more effective. I used to suffer from arthritic pain in my shoulder due to a work accident and found out that the shorter fasts were more effective in healing and eliminating the pain than the longer fasts. The first one-day fast greatly diminished the pain, but it wasn't until the third or fourth fast that I felt completely pain free. In cases where the injury never healed properly the fast will back-track and the original pain or condition may resurface before the healing occurs.

One way fasting works is by shrinking or constriction. Your tissues and arteries constrict, loosening whatever garbage or material is stuck to its walls that is causing the problem. When you eat again, the tissues and vessels expand again and the material is forced out. Of course, if you wait long enough the body has its own (better) way of eliminating the waste. Also, during fasting, the blood thins as it expels its waste, and this is what causes the dizziness. This dizziness, however, goes away as the blood rebuilds or normalizes. Sitting before getting up from a lying position is recommended.

Fasting improves blood flow or circulation and the body's capacity to eliminate resulting in better overall health. One will feel more energetic and alert and be more resistant to all forms of disease or illness. It will even slow down the aging process which is little more than the accumulated effects of our bad habits or wrong ways of living.



One-day fasting will teach you control or discipline. It will greatly help you to break those bad habits or addictions that are destroying you and help you start to acquire new and positive ones. Nearly everything we do is habit or addiction, including eating and sex. We were not meant to be ruled by our stomachs or base desires. It is our lower carnal desires which enslave us and keep us bound to this material plane and which cause us to continually reincarnate. If we are to rise above our animal state to that of the angels or higher, we must begin by conquering our lower natures, and fasting is the key.

Fasting one day out of seven is not a huge sacrifice to make, especially when you consider the benefits or rewards. Begin your fast in the evening, right after your last meal. By the time you wake up, half the fast will already be over. Resume regular eating in the evening. The braver ones can extend it to thirty-six hours although I don't recommend this unless you've had previous experience or feel compelled to do so. Many people like to fast on their Sabbath day, reflecting the biblical or scriptural injunction to rest on the seventh day. The beauty of the one-day fast is that you do not have to slowly work your way in or out of it as in the longer fasts. Twenty-four to thirty-six hours is just long enough before the fasting process starts to get really serious.

Of course WHAT one eats is also important. Try to improve your diet with each succeeding fast. Learn to break those sugar and salt habits. Eat less junk food. Cut down on meat and dairy products, and try to grow or prepare your own food. Your taste buds may not like it, but your body will love you for it. Most people don't realize that the more stimulating a food is the more damage it will do. Endless additives and enhancers are increasingly adulterating our food, and our endless desire or addiction for more and more flavor or stimulus is quickly driving us to the grave.

Fasting helps re balance our unnatural cravings or desires by eliminating the chemicals or properties that cause them. Remember, your body is your friend and wants the best for you, but you must give it a chance to do its work, and fasting gives it that opportunity. Short-term fasting can also correct weight problems, energy imbalances, blood pressure, sleep disorders, depression and mood swings, nervousness, and just about every other ailment or disorder. It can also improve eyesight and hearing and the better functioning of your senses in general. I have often noticed being wittier and more quickly able to come up with solutions to problems during and after my fast. I am also amazed at how quickly and effortlessly I am able to drive my car while fasting - the concentration is perfect.



It's best to do your one-day fast privately or without much fanfare as most people are ignorant about fasting in general and will not understand and may even try to dissuade you from it. Society in general is still so ignorant on so many basic issues and until we wake up we will continue on the path to misery and destruction. This is partly due to our own lethargy and partly to our government and social leaders who are more interested in controlling us or putting us to sleep than they are in awakening or liberating us.

Once you are comfortable with the one-day fast and are convinced of its benefits, you can then cautiously go on to the longer and more powerful fasts, if that is your desire. By mastering the one-day fast you have taken an important step or foothold on the long and narrow road to regeneration.




And I'm not talking exhaustive like those little tasks you do during the day that end up being put off, I mean like physical exercise exaustive.


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Re: fasting [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14329454 - 04/21/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I gave up on the fast today because at the point i decided to start i had been up around 24 hours and I would be passed out now had I not eaten. I'm starting tomorrow though. Dinner tonight was my last meal until I can't take it anymore.


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Re: fasting [Re: IamMatt]
    #14329486 - 04/21/11 07:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Remember, fasting can be very good for you, but if you are having negative effects, it may just not be your time to fast.


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Re: fasting [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14329575 - 04/21/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The longest I've fasted was about 34 hours I think?

I did it like 5-6 years ago. It wasn't that bad because we were doing a lot of activities during so it wasn't too noticeable. We broke the fast with an epic meal of almost every breakfast food you can think of.


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Re: fasting [Re: x Ju x]
    #14330064 - 04/21/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

A lot of us don't know how incredibly difficult it is to deny our flesh.


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Re: fasting [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
    #14330333 - 04/21/11 10:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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it will immediately begin to heal and detoxify itself rather amazingl




How scientific.  I don't question the detoxifying potential of fasting, but I would like to see some reputable research that supports these claims before you advise people to stop consuming food for more than 8 days.

Please people, talk to your physician or a qualified nutritionist before you begin any abrupt change in eating habits or before you engage in any fasting.

A colleague of mine did a similar fast; it turns out he had Diabetic ketoacidosis, he thought the vomiting and sluggishness was a side-affect of the fasting... his blood-sugar levels dropped so drastically that he went into a diabetic coma, his condition got worse with the fasting and now has to take insulin.


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Re: fasting [Re: Sprezzatura]
    #14332058 - 04/22/11 07:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well yesterdays fast was successful I still had energy and slept well. Suprisingly I didnt even feel hungry all day. Just woke up and am still feeling good so I think I am going to continue the fast. :laugh:


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Re: fasting [Re: cthoolhu]
    #15916969 - 03/07/12 11:11 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

To do a juice fast is healthy. Just drink water, lemon juice, black cherry juice, apple juice, etc. Carrot juice. Get a juicer.


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