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First ever trip (felt bad, man). Seeking shroom prep'n. advice. [Minor Trip Report]
#14326819 - 04/21/11 08:56 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Zdravstvujte (Hello),
I imagine this topic has been done to death but I searched and didn’t find much information which I was specifically looking for. If you'd like to respond, you need only read the coloured text; I’m hoping for a few little common-knowledge hints of assistance from experienced shroomers or people who have experienced similar trips, thanks.
Tl;dr: First trip = many unpleasant physical sensations (listed below); mental influence played large role, however I'd like to focus on the physical side. What may you suggest to prevent or minimise these effects? I’d mainly like to know of softer methods of ingestion (ie. tea etc.), but also supportive foods, setting, dose or anything else.
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Brief info:
My body: Male, ~60kg (135lb) Time of ingestion: 1.30PM, had eaten decent breakfast Method of ingestion: Ate raw shrooms Duration of ill effects: ~7.5hrs, most intense for first 3 hours Location: Home, bedroom Species: Psilocybe subaeruginosa Dose: 6 (medium?) sized mushrooms (cap + stem), see A4 piece of paper below for some indication of scale
 Ill-effects: Listed below Notes: Tripped alone. Once the trip really started and I began to feel bad, I basically moped on over to my bed and writhed in my own severe discomfort. Any movement or inspiration to move was thwarted by intense, confused feelings of all-round general shitness. I don't have a particularly weak stomach and am not prone to nausea
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More detailed info (basic minor trip report):
I ingested my first lot of active shrooms the other day and felt many quite unpleasant physical sensations – so much so that, unfortunately, it that it became the focus of the experience and comprised the bulk of my memories for the encounter – one might say, it was a bad trip. During the experience I told myself that I much preferred ordinary reality or a weededed-state and toward the end I absolutely wanted to fall asleep/lose consciousness and for the trip to cease. However, upon recovering from the ordeal and processing the experience better, I would like to make a second attempt. I would like to trip again; this time more wisely and prevent some of the negative effects which I experienced.
Some of the ill-effects I felt include:
• Numbness in the limbs, especially in the legs; however, more like a constricted-tingling-numbness. It felt, perhaps, like pins-and-needles of the veins(?). • Moist, numb feeling in the lower abdomen, like I pissed my pants (I didn’t) • Increased sensitivity to touching (not necessarily negative) • Increased perspiration, hot flushes • Tiredness or overall lethargy • Auditory hallucinations (a constant high pitch in the background, hollow mettalic noise--> I felt these bursts of mettalic noise, like a periodic auditory renewal...) (again, not necessarily negative) • Nausea and/or dizziness • Upset stomach, cramps • Weakness in the knees • Strong confusion • Heavy drunkenness when walking or moving • Teary eyes • A "wah, wah" feeling in my body, like being bombarded by some kind of kinetic force. • Great sensitivity to temperature/humidity • Overall confusion of physical sensations (couldn't recognise or properly identify much of what I was feeling, it all felt foreign) • Runny nose • Found myself caressing my face in a clawing manner (not necessarily negative) • Sensitivity around the gonads, like a mild electification, unpleasant
I did a lot of preparatory work in terms of researching the type of mushroom to hunt for in order to ensure that I wasn’t going to eat poison; however, it came as a bit of a surprise when I actually found a bunch (very early in the season). With the excitement of the find, plus the fact I wouldn’t be able to take a trip until later in the week, I ingested the mushrooms on the same day of the find – not haphazardly, but with less preparation and guidelines than I should have. So as a result, I didn’t actually do a lot of research into the psychedelic trip and what the physical effects might be (marijuana is the strongest drug I’ve done prior, had semi-regularly for past 1.5yrs).
Prior to eating the mushrooms, I adjusted the environment of the room to what I thought was comfortable: low lights (candles), soft ambient music, warm, comfortable seating, food and drink nearby. I tried to calm myself mentally, performed breathing exercises and considered some statements of what I was hoping to gain from the experience. However, some negative influences were: I chose a bad day to trip (Monday afternoon, meant to play cricket that evening and work next day); tripped alone and didn’t research potential effects of the mushrooms (these factors obviously played significant roles in my bad experience; and regardless of how severe (or not) my physical ill-effects may have been, these aspects would have exacerbated the problems).
Anyway, basically once the trip started I felt light-headed, intoxicated and queezy. The overall physical condition was arresting, my perception of physical reality was completely warped and I felt drenched in this droopy, fucked up, 'struggling to not crumble-and-decompose'-aura. My temperature sensitivity, confusion with physical sensations and general ill-feelings urged me toward my bed, where I remained for most of the trip.
For the initial duration: I rambled nonsensical stories in different accents/characters. Then with closed eyes, I had this feeling of being watched by a male figure with a stern and almost distasteful disapproval, while at the same time experienced being part of a field of organisms, which were alive and enriched, all floating/spiraling in some type of cytoplasmic fluid around this 'tree', which at the core was a female figure, very much a Mother. The sentiment I received from this motherly figure was complete acceptance and love, although the impression was that I did not really belong there (she and I both knew this), but I was embraced anyway. This vision was in a slow, rhythmic motion and mostly soft, pastel-like colours. Afterward, I had a strange, separate experience of what felt like a 'static-mind' above a sea of rhythmic patterns; it was as though I could 'have no thoughts' and just observe this imagery... not too sure about that one.
That was the extent of positive experience (which didn't last long at all), as after that I entered into a mild panic about having no grasp upon my reality conditions, whereby I would reassure myself of where I was and what I was doing, then as soon as I told myself that, I would forget it. While in bed, I went to take a sip of water and poured it over myself and onto my bed, obviously a bad idea but I was more-or-less laying in that dampness. On top of that was the confusion of all these foreign physical sensations which I could not recognise and thus did not know if they were OK, or an allergic reaction, or poison from fungicide or otherwise... That disharmonious state lasted until about 5PM (3.5hrs after ingestion) when a housemate got home and requested my attention. Talking to him basically focused my mind on our conversation which helped with the mental chaos and most of the physical sensations were wearing off - but I still felt pretty shitty and reluctant to move too much.
So... even accounting for my lack of trip-preparation and poor-handling of the psychedelic mind-state, the negative physical effects were still present and I’d like to know of any methods to negate these sickly feelings so that I may focus on the potentially beautiful experience before me.
Many thanks.
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Re: First ever trip (felt bad, man). Seeking shroom prep'n. advice. [Minor Trip Report] [Re: KGB Is Go]
#14326939 - 04/21/11 09:37 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow... Sorry to hear. That sounds bad. Hard to say the cause, Never heard of that bad of a reaction.... While it could be psychosomatic, being it got better when your roommate came home, hard to say really that was all of it... And without throwing up... Kind of make me wonder...
Suppose to start, are you 100% sure that all of the mushrooms you ate were what you thought they were? Any chance of contamination with manure or feces? Any chance they grew over an area with contaminated soil? People can be allergic to mushrooms, though not heard of it like that....
I am wondering about the raw mushroom part... Still, without throwing up.... Would not think it was the mushrooms....
The mental stuff sounds like a large mushroom dose... Any chance you just panicked and put yourself into the physical state based on that? You would not be the first person to under estimate the effects... If you do it again, get a sitter or guide.
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Re: First ever trip (felt bad, man). Seeking shroom prep'n. advice. [Minor Trip Report] [Re: HarryL]
#14326959 - 04/21/11 09:45 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sounds to me like you just weren't prepared. Like you said, you went into it with less preparation than you would have liked, and it could have started your downward spiral. I've had a couple trips on a whim that didn't turn out so well. I got nervous on the come-up, and things just got worse from there.
I'm convinced that mental discomfort can easily lead to physical discomfort, especially in the case of psychedelics.
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Re: First ever trip (felt bad, man). Seeking shroom prep'n. advice. [Minor Trip Report] [Re: bholzer]
#14327043 - 04/21/11 10:09 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sounds to me like you just weren't prepared. Like you said, you went into it with less preparation than you would have liked, and it could have started your downward spiral. I've had a couple trips on a whim that didn't turn out so well. I got nervous on the come-up, and things just got worse from there.
I'm convinced that mental discomfort can easily lead to physical discomfort, especially in the case of psychedelics.
It definitely can and does.
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Re: First ever trip (felt bad, man). Seeking shroom prep'n. advice. [Minor Trip Report] [Re: KGB Is Go]
#14327070 - 04/21/11 10:18 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ive noticed the confusion, dizziness, stomach aches,and constanly pissing. Your symptoms sound alot worse though I know a female who has some of the same reactions but including hives. You may just be allergic.
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Re: First ever trip (felt bad, man). Seeking shroom prep'n. advice. [Minor Trip Report] [Re: STIKAROUND]
#14327117 - 04/21/11 10:32 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I see no blue bruising on any of those mushrooms. You should probably bring those pictures over to the identification fourm because I wouldn't be surprised if those mushrooms turn out to be something other than what you thought they were.
With the combination if those pictures and the effects you experienced I wouldn't be eating any more of those until someone can 100% confirm their identity.
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Re: First ever trip (felt bad, man). Seeking shroom prep'n. advice. [Minor Trip Report] [Re: vegantoker]
#14327153 - 04/21/11 10:40 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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The mushrooms could have been infected with mold. Ive gotten sick from moldy shrooms before. it's no fun coming up while feeling like you're going to die lol. :/
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Re: First ever trip (felt bad, man). Seeking shroom prep'n. advice. [Minor Trip Report] [Re: CDClock]
#14327458 - 04/21/11 12:12 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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The first trip I had was neutral. There were some really good parts and also some really negative, scary parts. I got my ass kicked.
I had a terrible feeling in my stomach. I felt like I had been poisoned, but then I was able to turn it around at the end. As good as the body high can feel when having a good trip, it can be terrible when having a bad trip.
You just had a bad trip. That is all. Sounds like you took a shit ton too. 6 medium sized mushrooms? That is probably around 6 grams. I bet that was pretty crazy. I would have lost it taking 6 grams.
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Re: First ever trip (felt bad, man). Seeking shroom prep'n. advice. [Minor Trip Report] [Re: M11]
#14327481 - 04/21/11 12:16 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Probably just a high dose and you were unprepared. On mushrooms, your anxiety and apprehension will manifest as physical symptoms. People think themselves nauseous or into a panic attack. I've done it to myself. On a high dose it is much more pronounced and harder to control. I'm not saying the shrooms couldnt have actually made you physically sick for some reason. If you think you are allergic or that they are contaminated, by all means, follow your intuition and don't eat any more of them. But if you try a smaller dose next time, and have a great time, I'd say it was just the consequences of the wrong set and setting.
Use a scale...Weigh your dose and take around 2 grams dry next time.
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Re: First ever trip (felt bad, man). Seeking shroom prep'n. advice. [Minor Trip Report] [Re: drr]
#14327496 - 04/21/11 12:20 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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drr said: Use a scale...Weigh your dose and take around 2 grams dry next time.
I second this. Shrooms can be deceptively dense. I usually take about 2-3 medium sized mushrooms. I also would recommend taking 2 grams next time if you are so inclined to try them again.
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Re: First ever trip (felt bad, man). Seeking shroom prep'n. advice. [Minor Trip Report] [Re: M11]
#14327544 - 04/21/11 12:35 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Look at this page: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_subaeruginosa
It says Subs are suppose to turn blue where damaged. Judging by the pictures he posted, his didn't. This suggests to me the first step is finding out what he actually ate.
Picking and eating wild shrooms is serious business, be careful mang.
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Re: First ever trip (felt bad, man). Seeking shroom prep'n. advice. [Minor Trip Report] [Re: vegantoker]
#14328381 - 04/21/11 03:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Please try dry shrooms with a tea. Soooooo much better. Shrooms greatly heighten all senses hence the sensation of wetting yourself. Sounds,smells and visuals are extreme. Add to this pain from digesting and you have a bad trip. Don't eat for 4 - 6 hours. Play your favorite tunes and all will be good. I can't move around much on Shrooms either. Trip length with a tea is under four hours.
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Re: First ever trip (felt bad, man). Seeking shroom prep'n. advice. [Minor Trip Report] [Re: quebus]
#14328794 - 04/21/11 05:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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HarryL said: Wow... Sorry to hear. That sounds bad. Hard to say the cause, Never heard of that bad of a reaction.... While it could be psychosomatic, being it got better when your roommate came home, hard to say really that was all of it... And without throwing up... Kind of make me wonder...
Yes, I have no doubt that the psychosomatic effect was significant but I would also say the bad reaction was undoubtable. I don't throw up often and I was doing my best, basically focusing all my energy, to not throw up. That's why I barely moved from my bed.
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HarryL said: Suppose to start, are you 100% sure that all of the mushrooms you ate were what you thought they were? Any chance of contamination with manure or feces? Any chance they grew over an area with contaminated soil? People can be allergic to mushrooms, though not heard of it like that....
No, I couldn't say I'm 100% sure they were the shrooms I thought they were and that influenced my mindstate, of course. However, here is my ID request thread and here is a TI post. Yes, there's a chance of contamination. I picked the shrooms from a local park, many people walk through it (probably with dogs). A few of the shrooms had some nasty blemishes, like divots eaten away (see pic). Ahhh, well I doubt the soil was contaminated; I couldn't really say though. Mmm, something about it seems like a particularly bad reaction, not sure if it's an allergy or what...
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HarryL said: The mental stuff sounds like a large mushroom dose... Any chance you just panicked and put yourself into the physical state based on that? You would not be the first person to under estimate the effects... If you do it again, get a sitter or guide.
Set and setting...
Well, as I say, it had a significant effect - but I don't believe it was 'all in my head', so to speak. When I do them again, I think the most significant difference will be mental, however I would like to make all physical attempts to prepare the mushrooms so as to minimise the chance for a negative reaction. Thanks for your comments.
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Sounds to me like you just weren't prepared. Like you said, you went into it with less preparation than you would have liked, and it could have started your downward spiral. I've had a couple trips on a whim that didn't turn out so well. I got nervous on the come-up, and things just got worse from there.
I'm convinced that mental discomfort can easily lead to physical discomfort, especially in the case of psychedelics.
I think it was more than lack of preparation, but I could be wrong. I will have more of an idea what to expect next time, and thus will be more prepared. Thanks.
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STIKAROUND said: Ive noticed the confusion, dizziness, stomach aches,and constanly pissing. Your symptoms sound alot worse though I know a female who has some of the same reactions but including hives. You may just be allergic.
That would suck, I really hope I'm not allergic.
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vegantoker said: I see no blue bruising on any of those mushrooms. You should probably bring those pictures over to the identification fourm because I wouldn't be surprised if those mushrooms turn out to be something other than what you thought they were.
With the combination if those pictures and the effects you experienced I wouldn't be eating any more of those until someone can 100% confirm their identity.
They were slow-bruisers, that's for sure, and I had some mixed comments in the "MELBOURNE/VIC SEASON 2011" thread, but overwhelmingly people believed them to be active subs. Here, again, is the link to my ID request thread. I received a PM which stated someone else had found the same species at the same location and they were slow-bruisers too. So, I think the shrooms I had were the right ones, subs.
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CDClock said: The mushrooms could have been infected with mold. Ive gotten sick from moldy shrooms before. it's no fun coming up while feeling like you're going to die lol. :/
Yeah, quite possible, man. I actually hope it was that; next time I'm only going to ingest shrooms of flawless, mint-appearance.
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M11 said: You just had a bad trip. That is all. Sounds like you took a shit ton too. 6 medium sized mushrooms? That is probably around 6 grams. I bet that was pretty crazy. I would have lost it taking 6 grams.
I intended to have 5 (I was told 5-7 shrooms was a good starting dose), but found 6 in my prepared bowl, so I ate 6. I think the dosage may have been a little high and I will go for the 'less is more' approach with 5 next time.
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drr said: But if you try a smaller dose next time, and have a great time, I'd say it was just the consequences of the wrong set and setting.
Use a scale...Weigh your dose and take around 2 grams dry next time.
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M11 said: I second this. Shrooms can be deceptively dense. I usually take about 2-3 medium sized mushrooms. I also would recommend taking 2 grams next time if you are so inclined to try them again.
OK, thanks guys. I may go for this dried approach next time.
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vegantoker said: Look at this page: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_subaeruginosa
It says Subs are suppose to turn blue where damaged. Judging by the pictures he posted, his didn't. This suggests to me the first step is finding out what he actually ate.
Picking and eating wild shrooms is serious business, be careful mang.
Thanks mate, I know it's serious business which is why I spent a lot of time researching the shrooms and examining my pickings. The bruising was slight and slow but I was convinced and this conclusion was supported by others as linked above. I'm pretty sure they were Psilocybe subaeruginosa.
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phortre55 said: Please try dry shrooms with a tea. Soooooo much better. Shrooms greatly heighten all senses hence the sensation of wetting yourself. Sounds,smells and visuals are extreme. Add to this pain from digesting and you have a bad trip. Don't eat for 4 - 6 hours. Play your favorite tunes and all will be good. I can't move around much on Shrooms either. Trip length with a tea is under four hours.
Thanks, I'm definitely going to try to the tea approach. I just need to find a good recipe .
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Re: First ever trip (felt bad, man). Seeking shroom prep'n. advice. [Minor Trip Report] [Re: KGB Is Go]
#14334024 - 04/22/11 03:49 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I ingested my first lot of active shrooms the other day and felt many quite unpleasant physical sensations
That list of physical symptoms sounds fairly normal for a heavy mushroom trip (although I can't claim to have experienced the "electrified gonads" effect ). Making tea is probably a good idea to help with the nausea, as for the rest, it sounds like you were simply unprepared for the 'body load' of a strong trip. Feeling hot and then cold, drowsy, slighty drunk, confused, sensitive to the feel of fabrics, teary eyed, sweaty, slightly nauseous, with an overall sensation of weirdness and mild discomfort - these are transitory effects I often get at the beginning of a trip.
I think you underestimate how deeply a trip intrudes on your general sense of physical reality. Psilocybin has few genuine physical side-effects in the body, but it can dramatically alter the way you perceive sense-information about what your body is doing. Minor, normal physical sensations can suddenly feel foreign, uncomfortable and worrying. It's obvious when the walls change color that you must be hallucinating, but when you can feel strange sensations in your own body, it's harder to accept that they might also be distorted perceptions.
Yes, the effects of the drug are mainly confined to the 'mental' realm, but the entirety of your conscious existence is mental. This means that the trip has a kind of totality about it, where nothing is spared from the weirdness that consumes everything. If it feels as though the trip is taking over, that the body load is unbearable, that you can't cope, that you've taken too much, that you need to lie down and ride it out - that's perfectly normal when you are pushing the dose way beyond what you are comfortable with.
To show you that you're not alone in having weird physical sensations, these are some notes from the come-up of a strong trip, describing the physical effects:
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In reality, I don't think there was anything worse going on than mild panic and indigestion, but for a while during that trip I became convinced that physical death was imminent and unavoidable.
To avoid this kind of unpleasantness, take a more modest dose, and become familiar with the body load of the drug. Obviously, make sure that you are consuming mushrooms that you are 100% happy have been identified correctly. Doubts have a way of burrowing into your mind during a trip, and worries about physical health can escalate into all kinds of imaginary symptoms. I've overdosed...I'm having an allergic reaction.....I'm going to have a heart attack....I've poisoned myself.....I'm going insane......I'm dying. No you aren't. Try listening to music during the trip; focus your attention away from your body and towards the music and the closed-eye visuals.
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Anyway, basically once the trip started I felt light-headed, intoxicated and queezy. The overall physical condition was arresting, my perception of physical reality was completely warped and I felt drenched in this droopy, fucked up, 'struggling to not crumble-and-decompose'-aura.
Sounds normal for the onset. The key is to avoid struggling with that urge to maintain a normal point of view. If you give in to the trip, you won't crumble and decompose, you might find that you actually relax and start enjoying yourself.
As the trip peaks and gradually plateaus, you can break through this kind of woozy, confused feeling into something which feels more lucid, euphoric and physically comfortable. To do this, I find it's almost like I have to retune my way of thinking into accepting the trip. Sometimes I sit in bed, eyes closed, head nodding forward, and just relax and feel the surge of the trip taking over, as though I'm falling into it. It's hard to explain, but once you learn to trust in the trip itself, and trust your own physical body to keep functioning correctly even though you feel weird, the trip becomes more gentle and less hostile - both physically and mentally. Imagine a dog at the beach that has never seen the sea before - one minute he's running away from the waves and barking, the next he's swimming happily. It's kind of like that - learning to swim (and occasionally drown) in a sea of your own consciousness.

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Re: First ever trip (felt bad, man). Seeking shroom prep'n. advice. [Minor Trip Report] [Re: Aldebaran]
#14334063 - 04/22/11 04:00 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can't even state that I think those are psilocybe!
Are you sure they aren't corts?
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Re: First ever trip (felt bad, man). Seeking shroom prep'n. advice. [Minor Trip Report] [Re: LanLord]
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i had a reaction similar to this on 1.7 gs dry cubes lasted 2 hours bad trip anxiety caused almost all yer simptoms
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Re: First ever trip (felt bad, man). Seeking shroom prep'n. advice. [Minor Trip Report] [Re: punkrocker292004]
#14334682 - 04/22/11 06:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I looked at the pic breifly and I definately saw psilocybes...all of them. Furthermore I once made a powerful liquor and the first time I drank it, it was awesome, and two weeks later, I drank the exact same amount and had many of these effects and had to lay down for a minute. It couldn't have been bacteria in the grain alcahol. Sounds about like a mushroom trip to me. Get up and do something, and that will help a lot
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Re: First ever trip (felt bad, man). Seeking shroom prep'n. advice. [Minor Trip Report] [Re: Aldebaran]
#14347966 - 04/25/11 08:25 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi Aldebaran,
I appreciate your lengthy response to my stated experience. I think you nailed it with the assessment and your explanations were spot-on too. With the understanding you’ve offered, I think I can better approach the whole experience and hopefully overcome that physical stuff.
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Aldebaran said: The key is to avoid struggling with that urge to maintain a normal point of view. If you give in to the trip, you won't crumble and decompose, you might find that you actually relax and start enjoying yourself.
As the trip peaks and gradually plateaus, you can break through this kind of woozy, confused feeling into something which feels more lucid, euphoric and physically comfortable. To do this, I find it's almost like I have to retune my way of thinking into accepting the trip. Sometimes I sit in bed, eyes closed, head nodding forward, and just relax and feel the surge of the trip taking over, as though I'm falling into it. It's hard to explain, but once you learn to trust in the trip itself, and trust your own physical body to keep functioning correctly even though you feel weird, the trip becomes more gentle and less hostile - both physically and mentally. Imagine a dog at the beach that has never seen the sea before - one minute he's running away from the waves and barking, the next he's swimming happily. It's kind of like that - learning to swim (and occasionally drown) in a sea of your own consciousness.
Mmm, I often find giving-in and relaxing difficult in general and I think mushrooms are a real tester for me, which is why, despite my repeated unpleasant trips, I want to continue trying mushrooms. Trusting in the trip and my physical body is key I think.
I’ve since tried shrooms twice more, each time preparing a mushroom tea. The first dose was ~1g and was just as bad but without the nausea. The second was ~0.4g and I barely felt any effects (mental or physical). So I’m going to continue upping the dose until I can deal with the physical effects, as you suggested.
I’m very comfortable with the effects of weed – do you think smoking before ingesting the mushrooms could assist in dealing with the physical stuff?
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Re: First ever trip (felt bad, man). Seeking shroom prep'n. advice. [Minor Trip Report] [Re: KGB Is Go]
#14348065 - 04/25/11 08:56 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your symptoms sound a lot like the ones my friends had when they tripped for the first time. Also on P.subs. The reason they were so uncomfortable was because they tried holding onto reality. When they realized they had no control over the trip, they spiraled down. They turned on the TV to watch 30 rock because they knew the TV could bring back reality, but then the tv melted. They had no hope hehe. So, i think if you just go with the trip and let it take you on the journey without trying to grab the wheel, then you will be fine.
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Re: First ever trip (felt bad, man). Seeking shroom prep'n. advice. [Minor Trip Report] [Re: KGB Is Go]
#14348076 - 04/25/11 08:59 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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KGB Is Go said: Zdravstvujte (Hello),
Some of the ill-effects I felt include:
• Numbness in the limbs, especially in the legs; however, more like a constricted-tingling-numbness. It felt, perhaps, like pins-and-needles of the veins(?). I get a tingling sensation at the start of a trip on cubensis. Doesnt really bother me
• Moist, numb feeling in the lower abdomen, like I pissed my pants (I didn’t) I think I know what you mean. I sometimes feel like I've pissed myself (but havnt actually) when I'm very parranoid and high. • Increased sensitivity to touching (not necessarily negative) normal. Painful sensitive? or just cool senitive? • Increased perspiration, hot flushes Hot flushes arent unheard of, though I havnt had them, nor the sweats.
• Tiredness or overall lethargy I get this all the time on the come up. I have a coffee and a hit of weed and I'm good to go 
• Auditory hallucinations (a constant high pitch in the background, hollow mettalic noise--> I felt these bursts of mettalic noise, like a periodic auditory renewal...) (again, not necessarily negative) 
• Nausea and/or dizziness Nausea probs due to method of ingestion. happens to me on the come up if I lemon tek.
• Upset stomach, cramps upset stomach, not sure. :/
• Weakness in the knees I often feel weak on the come up, but thats normal because I dont eat prior to tripping
• Strong confusion Lol, You trippin
• Heavy drunkenness when walking or moving yeh, Shrooms will do that  • Teary eyes Dont think its related to the shrooms.
• A "wah, wah" feeling in my body, like being bombarded by some kind of kinetic force. lol, were you huffing nitrous? and yeah, you trippin
• Great sensitivity to temperature/humidity dosnt sound serious lol
• Overall confusion of physical sensations (couldn't recognise or properly identify much of what I was feeling, it all felt foreign) normal.
• Runny nose got a cold?
• Found myself caressing my face in a clawing manner (not necessarily negative) 
• Sensitivity around the gonads, like a mild electification, unpleasant
not sure about this one....
I have had some bad trips too.. One time I got VERY bad blistering on my hands and thought it was mushroom related. (it was a chemical burn, later identified) I spent the whole trip asking my mates if this was serious. Nothing would take my mind off it untill I accepted there was nothing I could do at the moment except chill and enjoy the trip. Try going for a walk outside if you're feeling like shit. Helps me. Also, invest in some bud and an iPod.
Edited by mrckb (04/25/11 09:00 AM)
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