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does this step matter when doing tubs?
    #14324119 - 04/20/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Okay yesterday I made three sorta like mono tubs just with no holes on the sides. I did everything correect but i had fogotten the last step since i was out of aluminum foil and no it was not putting that around the outside too keep light out.

    What i had forgotten to do was place a piece of aluminum foil over the top of the casing layer that they said to do in the tek until the substrate colonized or ten days. so in other words i put 3 jars of colonized mycelium rye berries with three jars of jiffymix mixed it up and put a final layer on top so its just sitting in the tub like it s going to fruit without the foil ontop of the top layer will that matter when colonizing ?


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Re: does this step matter when doing tubs? [Re: tony8404]
    #14324126 - 04/20/11 05:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Is it in the dark and what RH is it in. From what I have read the foil is to help promote RH as well as not putting it into the fruiting mood.
I have covered the few that I have done, so I'm not sure what effects it will have.
I'm sure someone with more time on the subject will chime in shortly.
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Re: does this step matter when doing tubs? [Re: mabachko]
    #14324223 - 04/20/11 05:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Man now I cannot find the mini mono tub tek i used... anyone have a link to mini mono tub teks?


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Re: does this step matter when doing tubs? [Re: tony8404]
    #14324263 - 04/20/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This is why you keep records of your grow.
How would anyone know what tek you used?


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Re: does this step matter when doing tubs? [Re: mabachko]
    #14324297 - 04/20/11 06:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

does jiffy mix actually produce any decent fruits?  Its just potting soil right?  Usually you put the casing on AFTER the sub is colonized, but missing the foil doesnt matter unless ur doing treys, not mono type set ups.


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Re: does this step matter when doing tubs? [Re: mabachko]
    #14324299 - 04/20/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It might have been DocT's mini tub tek but it looks like he is using a new different tub...


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Re: does this step matter when doing tubs? [Re: tony8404]
    #14324387 - 04/20/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Okay i used the rez effect tek but cannot find the rez effect tek anyone know the link or where to find it?


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Re: does this step matter when doing tubs? [Re: tony8404]
    #14324402 - 04/20/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Okay guys i found my tek... it is the rez effect tek... my question is if anyone has used the rez effect tek is placing the aluminum foil on top of the subatrate to colonize it neccessary or not? I thought it helps keep the co2 build up quick to colonize faster ?


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Re: does this step matter when doing tubs? [Re: tony8404]
    #14324423 - 04/20/11 06:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Havent read the tek but, if there are no filters in the chamber that ur fruiting in, then yes, use tinfoil to keep co2 up.  If you have some sort of filter like polyfill or other types then no, the c02 will stay high enough that its not a big deal.


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Re: does this step matter when doing tubs? [Re: tony8404]
    #14324467 - 04/20/11 06:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Using foil for tubs works fine and they will colonize fine, i use them on mine with some holes poked in them with no problems!


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Re: does this step matter when doing tubs? [Re: crp32008]
    #14324471 - 04/20/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

no I do not have any filters or holes with polyfill in them.. Damn it now i am worried that if i open them up to put the foil in them I may contam them....


I use a small bathroom to make my tubs in. I usually spray lysol in the room and let it sit for like 5-10 minutes.. then I turn the exhaust fan on and then respray the room and let sit for a few minutes then I spray myself and then enter the room and spray again with mask and gloves on.

If i spray the room let sit 5 minutes and then spray myself then enter the room and spray again will I be okay? I will wipe down the aluminum foil with rubbing alcohol before placing it in the tubs. will that be sterile enough?


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Re: does this step matter when doing tubs? [Re: tony8404]
    #14324505 - 04/20/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ok well thats all overkill bro haha  If your using a pasteurized sub, you dont need to be cleaning the air or anything.  Thats only for work that needs to be sterile like grain and agar work.

If the tubs have no holes at all then ur fine, the co2 will build up, if you have holes in the tub and you have nothing in those holes then put the tinfoil ontop of the sub, you wont contam it.  I just did a couple tubs on my kitchen floor and I let my poo frain out under my deck.  If its pasteurized them airflow is what stops contams, if its sterilzed then yes, clean steril conditions are whats needed.  Not for tubs though.  A lot of people mix spawn and sub outside or in a garage (done both of these).


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Re: does this step matter when doing tubs? [Re: crp32008]
    #14324517 - 04/20/11 06:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

wow okay so i am good then by not having to bust open my tubs to place the foil ontop of my stuff?


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Re: does this step matter when doing tubs? [Re: tony8404]
    #14324528 - 04/20/11 06:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah youre fine.  People over complicate growing mushrooms a lot. 

Here's the concept, once you got the concepts down, you can do whatever you want as long as you stay within the parameters.

1-grain work and agar work are ALWAYS done under sterile conditions
2-pasteurized substrates DO NOT need to be worked on in sterile conditions
3-as long as there is air movement after you inoculated your pasteurized sub, then you won't have to worry about contams.  Now, i wouldnt go palming ur sub after its colonized with bare hands but fresh air and moving air is the KEY to keeping away contams at that stage.  Aside from that, well thats it really haha


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Re: does this step matter when doing tubs? [Re: tony8404]
    #14324530 - 04/20/11 06:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well... i pc my jiffy mix which is what i used to mix the colonized rye berries i had. I mixed three pints of rye and three pints of jiffy mix with one extra pint of jiffy for top layer. I have done this twice with success but this time i forgot the aluminum and did not want to risk contams because this is the only way i have not gotten contams at about 4 flushes each tub.    Though in the tek i read he used WBS and verm only to a 1:1 ratio... my next thing will be rye berries and verm ... because what he says is that the grain itself is more nutrient then poo ect. ect..    the verm holds the water and the grain has the nutrients...  to me that makes sense they want watter but the grains hold only so much.. but if u use the vermiculite which holds alot of water the mushies have something to use ..


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Re: does this step matter when doing tubs? [Re: crp32008]
    #14324534 - 04/20/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I inoculate my sub with grain on the kitchen floor, drop it all in my tub and mix it up, even it out (bare hands, sometimes  gloves) put the top on, set it and forget it.


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Re: does this step matter when doing tubs? [Re: crp32008]
    #14324541 - 04/20/11 07:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The one thing I would do though if the tub doesnt have any holes in it, is poke some holes in the lid so it gets some air movement


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Re: does this step matter when doing tubs? [Re: crp32008]
    #14324548 - 04/20/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

whats in jiffy mix doesnt it contain fertilizers? or is it just peat


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Re: does this step matter when doing tubs? [Re: bakenast]
    #14324570 - 04/20/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I never use anything but poo or compost, I thought jiffy was more for a casing than a sub.  I guess well find out haha.  Truthfully though, as long as you have grain in something that can hold moisture youll get good flushes.  Grain has enough nutes to give you sick ass flushes if you have something to supply them with the moisture they need.  They are def a one flush wonder usually though.  Facey used to do some sick flushes on just cased grain.


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Re: does this step matter when doing tubs? [Re: crp32008]
    #14324667 - 04/20/11 07:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yes Cased grain works great as well just going bulk makes some monster fruits though!


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