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Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party
    #1432329 - 04/05/03 09:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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"What we need now is not just a regime change in Saddam Hussein and Iraq, but we need a regime change in the United States."

Democratic Sen John Kerry, accusing U.S. President George Bush of alienating allies around the world with the war in Iraq




I know we've all heard it, but nothing good came of it. Many are discusted with the democratic party's comments on this war and as more and more truths about this war come forth it will further the demise of the democratic party.

Just one example: The democrats tried to scare people in saying that 250,000 soldiers will die in this war. Thus far, 2 weeks mind you, minimal casualties have been taken and the war is nearing it's end. Democrats said this would be another Vietnam. Vietnam lasted 10 years and only 55,000 soldiers were lost. Where do they come up with 250,000? Whats with the scare tactics dumbocrats? Your tactics aren't working and your party is falling.

Mind you it all doesn't revolve around Kerry's comments, it's a conglomeration of all the paraniods.


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1432335 - 04/05/03 09:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Ya, like the Republicans haven't been wrong before...

Weren't they saying that all the Iraqi troops would be surrendering on site and not putting up a fight?


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1432340 - 04/05/03 09:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

now that's just silly.


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1432343 - 04/05/03 09:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Hold on, I forgot to add a couple these so I don't get banned  :smile: :laugh: :smile: :laugh: :laugh: :grin:


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1432382 - 04/05/03 09:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

In this current political climate each party is making egregious errors.  This was unwise of the Democrats and will be used agaisnt them in the upcoming elections.

What are they trying to do?  Help President Bush get re-elected?  :confused:

They need to go back to the ol' stratagem of Herr Klinton and respond to the polls which show that most Americans favor this stuff.  If Kerry is bidding for election he is losing ground on this score.

And btw, there will be no chicanery this coming presidential election.  The votes will be electronic.  No more pulling chads out of anyone's ass. :smile:


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1432431 - 04/05/03 10:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Just one example: The democrats tried to scare people in saying that 250,000 soldiers will die in this war. Thus far, 2 weeks mind you, minimal casualties have been taken and the war is nearing it's end. Democrats said this would be another Vietnam. Vietnam lasted 10 years and only 55,000 soldiers were lost. Where do they come up with 250,000? Whats with the scare tactics dumbocrats? Your tactics aren't working and your party is falling.



No, the dems never said it would be a blood bath like that. I think you're thinking of cable tv pundits. Lol.


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: silversoul7]
    #1432436 - 04/05/03 10:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Weren't they saying that all the Iraqi troops would be surrendering on site and not putting up a fight?




they've been putting up a fight?


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1432452 - 04/05/03 10:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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No, the dems never said it would be a blood bath like that. I think you're thinking of cable tv pundits. Lol. 




There's a difference?

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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1432473 - 04/05/03 10:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Actually, it's the ballsiest thing a politician has done in this country in a very long time. But then again Kerry is a decorated (Silver Star, one short of the Congressional Medal of Honor) combat veteran.

Let's tally up the combat medals of the asswipes who are in charge shall we?

Bush: saved his sorry ass in the National Guard, to which he didn't even show up half the time.
Cheney: Had better things to do
Rumself: Was born at precisely the right time to just miss Korea and be too old for Vietnam. No combat experience.
Rice: Ugly as a war zone, but no, she hasn't seen combat either.

Grand total: Zero medals, zero combat experience.

All of them a bunch of asswipes who are happy to let 18 year olds die so they can play toy soldier.

I'm not worried about 2004. No amount of success in Iraq will save Bush's sorry ass when it comes to the economy, and he'll find out just like his dad did that that is the bottom line.


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1432480 - 04/05/03 10:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

There's a difference between being ballsy and just being a prick. I think he sealed his own fate when he opened his mouth during a time when he should of just shut it.

Be honest here, does anyone actually think he has a snowballs chance in hell in winning?


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1432491 - 04/05/03 10:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Kerry is an unamerican piece of shit that wants to take away our 2nd amendment. This statement is one of the only things he's said I really agree with but he's still a worthless fucktard. He's not winning any points with me by criticizing Bush, but he's shrewdly trying to win the liberal core that he needs to swing a primary vote. My $0.02.


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1432505 - 04/05/03 10:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Grand total: Zero medals, zero combat experience.





What about Colin Powell?

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I'm not worried about 2004. No amount of success in Iraq will save Bush's sorry ass when it comes to the economy, and he'll find out just like his dad did that that is the bottom line.




I'm not sure, the circumstances were much different in the 92 elections. For one, there wasn't broad blind patriotism fueling the country. But I hope you are right.


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1432518 - 04/05/03 10:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Just one example: The democrats tried to scare people in saying that 250,000 soldiers will die in this war. Thus far, 2 weeks mind you, minimal casualties have been taken and the war is nearing it's end. Democrats said this would be another Vietnam. Vietnam lasted 10 years and only 55,000 soldiers were lost. Where do they come up with 250,000?




Where did you come up with that info?


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1432519 - 04/05/03 10:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, real ballsy. Just about as ballsy as Hillary! half clapping at President Bush's speech to the Joint Session of Congress after her state was attacked on 9/11.

And just as "ballsy" as her husband Herr Klinton vetoed partial birth abortion when the majority of America wanted it banned.

Ballsy is another euphemism for stupid.

Tell ya what. Put your money where your mouth is. I wager you any reasonable sum that Bush Jr. is re-elected.

Put up or shut up.

What's it gonna be?

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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1432646 - 04/05/03 11:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: Skikid16]
    #1432649 - 04/05/03 11:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Colin Powell, the "patriot" who rose to fame fetching water and then denying My Lai. Too bad the truth did finally come out, regardless of his attempt to suppress it. He never saw combat in fact, if you look up exactly what he got his 3 medals for, they were:

Stepping on a punji stick ( non combat related)
Rescuing 2 people from a downed chopper (noncombat related-- they really should develop a chopper that can stay up in the air, shouldnt they?)

As for Kerry, I think that this was an incredibly smart move, especially being a democrat in a republican lite party. There are many democrats that have become frustrated by the fact that their party no longer stands for anything but being a lapdog to the whims of the current administration and if he does win the nomination, he will get some serious vote backing from the democratic constituents of this nation. Especially as the economy continues to nose dive due to this war. Money has a hell of a way of making people wake up and take a stand.

Besides, what does he have to lose? Either he gets a presidential nomination and a very good shot at the whitehouse, or he stays a senator-- Mass is a very democratic state, always has been. Atleast he spoke his conscience and many seem to think he is doing a fantastic job fielding the insults from the repub party as well as the whole, shut up you unamerican sentiment. This man actually served in combat for this country unlike any of the current chickenhawks of this administation, to question his patriotism is not only absurb but just shows how low people who sit in glass houses will go.


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: ]
    #1432657 - 04/05/03 11:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Also, Mr Mushroom.. where are your statistics for half of america wanting a ban on Partial Birth Abortions?

I simply do not believe that is true as everyone knows that is just a foot in to try to ban abortion, period. Not to mention the fact that half of america thinks partial birth abortion means saying, "Wait I dont want this baby" after the head pops out and then chopping it off with a machete. Instead of what it is, which is largely a medical practice used to save the lives of mothers and terminate nonviable fetuses as well as those that have been diagnosed with genetic maladies such as down syndrome which cannot be diagnosed prior to the 30th week of pregnancy due to the tests available. All consentual medical abortions on viable foetuses must be carried out prior to the 13th week.


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1432658 - 04/06/03 12:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You want stats, look 'em up.  I know more about abortion they you will ever know.  :smirk:


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: ]
    #1432661 - 04/06/03 12:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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You want stats, look 'em up.  I know more about abortion they you will ever know.  :smirk: 



That statement seems pretty arrogant and presumptuous.  Tell me what makes you such an expert on the issue?


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1432664 - 04/06/03 12:05 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Also, Mr Mushroom.. where are your statistics for half of america wanting a ban on Partial Birth Abortions?



73 percent of American support a ban on "Partial Birth Abortion."

I like your nick, btw.


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: silversoul7]
    #1432666 - 04/06/03 12:06 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

A personal issue.

But since you asked, I'll tell.

I have studied the issue for about 30 years now. My mother had an abortion in 1951 and it was a major issue of her life and mine.

Good enough for you?


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: ]
    #1432669 - 04/06/03 12:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, cause men usually do know more then women about abortion.. right?

Heh


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1432672 - 04/06/03 12:09 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

railGun,

Can I get a link to that "statistic"?

Please dont tell me its a Faux News poll :smile: 


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: ]
    #1432673 - 04/06/03 12:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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A personal issue.

But since you asked, I'll tell.

I have studied the issue for about 30 years now. My mother had an abortion in 1951 and it was a major issue of her life and mine.

Good enough for you?



Almost, but how did you come to assume that PsiloKitten knew less about it than you?


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1432675 - 04/06/03 12:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, cause men usually do know more then women about abortion.. right?

Heh



Often they do. You think feminists have some monopoly on knowledge?


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1432680 - 04/06/03 12:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think what PsiloKitten was implying is that men can't have the same kind of emotional understanding of the abortion issue that women can have. I agree with this to a certain extent, but of course, Philosophical types like MM will tell you that emotions should have no place in decision-making.


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1432687 - 04/06/03 12:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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railGun,

Can I get a link to that "statistic"?

Please dont tell me its a Faux News poll :smile: 



Heaven's no. Now this poll is a few percent differnt from the one I cited, but I don't remember the source of it. Here's a source from ABC News:
American Views on Abortion 
Situation Should Be Legal Should Be Illegal
All or Most Cases 57% 42 
To Save Woman's Life 88 10
To Save Woman's Health 82 14
In Cases of Rape/Incest 81 17
Physically Impaired Baby 54 40
To End Unwanted Pregnancy 42 57
D&X/Partial-Birth Abortions 23 69
Pregnancy is 6 Months+ 11 86


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: silversoul7]
    #1432688 - 04/06/03 12:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I was wondering that too --I , being a WOMAN, who has been affected by this as well and a woman with many friends ranging from those who chose the standard medical abortion to those who have chose partial birth abortions because their child had no hope of survival and on a much deeper level as a life carrier, a life giver. Im not trivializing the male role in this, Im simply stating a fact-- you have no idea how it feels to carry life in your body and what it takes as a person to make a decision on wether you let that life suffer as much or as little as possible.

Just because I said what I did, there is no reason to brand someone a "Feminist"--


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: silversoul7]
    #1432694 - 04/06/03 12:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I think what PsiloKitten was implying is that men can't have the same kind of emotional understanding of the abortion issue that women can have. I agree with this to a certain extent, but of course, Philosophical types like MM will tell you that emotions should have no place in decision-making.



Good point, it could be the emotional understanding is the reason that a greater percent of women than men oppose partial birth abortion.


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: silversoul7]
    #1432702 - 04/06/03 12:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Almost, but how did you come to assume that PsiloKitten knew less about it than you?




That was an easy one. I read her post.

As you can see she was waaaaaaaay off the mark on one of the most uncontroversial and non-debatable aspects of the issue, i.e. popular opinion.

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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1432705 - 04/06/03 12:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

But in that poll,  it says that 54% support abortion in the case of an impaired baby.

See, you cant diagnose that until well past the first trimester, the consentual time period when abortion can be decided upon a whim, if that is the wish of the mother.


The current media bias and the linguistics of "Partial Birth Abortions" often fails to recognize that fact--- so not only is the polling traditionally skewed in sources such as this, but not understanding what something actually is-- just the invocation of its biased name-- can also account for the fact that those two statistics arent relevant.  -- 54% of people said they supported it when asked one way, while 69% said they didnt when asked in a more severe way :smile: 

That means 15% of the people polled completely contridicted themselves


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: ]
    #1432709 - 04/06/03 12:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

How exactly am I waaaaaay off the mark?


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1432710 - 04/06/03 12:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

partial birth abortion is fucked up.


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1432713 - 04/06/03 12:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If you have to ask, you'll never know.

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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1432717 - 04/06/03 12:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Those statistics speak for themselves without you trying to pervert them. D&E ("Partial Birth Abortion") is third trimester and not medicaly necessary.


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: ]
    #1432718 - 04/06/03 12:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Heh,  Oh you have joined the shroomery's coalition of the not so witty...

But keep up the good work.  :grin: 


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1432720 - 04/06/03 12:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

ugh. show some RESPECT niggaaaaaa!!!!!!!


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1432722 - 04/06/03 12:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

How am I perverting them?

The poll said 54% of americans thought abortion should be legal in the instance of a physically impaired child.

Then it said that 69% said partial birth abortions should be illegal.

Just how is medical science supposed to diagnose physical, congenital or chromosonal problems prior to the third trimester?

Do you know of some test that doctors do not?


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1432725 - 04/06/03 12:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm just wondering how we wandered so far off-topic?


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: ]
    #1432726 - 04/06/03 12:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Im showing just as much respect as Im being given :smile: 

Silversoul,  unfortunately sometimes people make additional claims in threads that are off topic that one cant just sit idly by and not refute :smile:


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1432731 - 04/06/03 12:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Heh,  Oh you have joined the shroomery's coalition of the not so witty...

But keep up the good work.  :grin: 




Argumentum ad hominem?

No thanks, I'd rather not.

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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1432732 - 04/06/03 12:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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How am I perverting them?



Those polling choices are not mutually exclusive as you're trying to claim. You're trying to turn the tables by changing the topic with a specious fallacy of logic. That's how!


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: ]
    #1432744 - 04/06/03 12:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Oh come on, I mean.. I used you guy's  :cool: :smile: :smile: :laugh: tactic

Heh.

Mr Mushroom, I appreciate that you have an opinon upon this based upon life experience, that is more then most-- but really, what does one expect when you totally discount someone else's opinion with rather broad terms and no data to back it up and then tell someone they are way off topic on an issue that is something that I actually have invested a bit of time into researching?== not 30 years, but enough to support a couple of winning political campaigns where these were key issues?  Enough to hold a dear friend's hand after her first child died of a congenital heart defect....  we all have our battle scars and Im glad that there are people like us who actual know atleast something of what these decisions are about and what they can do to the lives of mothers, siblings, and foetuses.  Just because I say something is so, doesnt make it so.. and vice versa.   

RailGun, there are many who would think that is a valid arguement and they have been making it for some time.  See, since partial birth abortions, again, arent done on a whim-- but only in cases of inviability or harm to the mother, what they really are fits more closely with physical impairment statistics on that poll then with the term "Partial Birth Abortion".  But I agree with you to disagree and get back to Mr. Kerry's statement, which was brilliant, by the way.


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1432802 - 04/06/03 01:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Just how is medical science supposed to diagnose physical, congenital or chromosonal problems prior to the third trimester?



I don't know the names of all the tests, but my wife had them performed during her pregnancies of our son and daughter, before the third trimester. Let's see... there's amniocentesis, sonograms, x-rays.

Oh, I know plenty of woman who are opposed to abortion, my wife being one of them (she's also an atheist so don't go assuming a religious angle).

In regards to partial birth abortions, if the baby is delivered far enough to expose the head, then the birth is halted to shove a shunt is into the base of it's skull in order to scramble it's brains, it's EXTREMELY QUESTIONABLE that the procedure is to save the life of the mother. This is merely an excuse for infanticide. This is barbarism, plain and simple. I find it hypocritical that anyone could be against war waged against a murderous regime but be for partial birth abortions. This is incongruous. Perhaps it is CONVENIENT to be against a war but INCONVENIENT to be against infanticide during the process of birth.


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: Evolving]
    #1432832 - 04/06/03 01:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Amnio can be preformed at the end of the first trimester relatively safely but carries a significant miscarriage risk the earlier it is preformed... 12 weeks is the absolute earlies and that puts you into the last week of your first trimester.  There is still a risk of placenta previa, so most doctors recommend waiting until the 15th -19th week, infact most wont preform the proceedure until after then

CVS, which is really the clincher and most women who are under 36 and healthy dont usually have to worry about is a pretty invasive proceedure that is usually recommended mid to late second trimester, but in the last 2-3 years has been  done as early as the 10-12th week.  Again, the end of the first trimester.  Again, even if the tests didnt take anywhere from 3 to ten days to process, you would still be at the absolute threshold for consentual abortion.

I could go into the advanced testing that they can do, but lord.. I hope your wife wasnt getting X-RAYS!  If so, you should think about sueing your obstetrician. :frown:  Noninvasive proceedures like, ultrasound cannot detect most of the abnormalities that would make this proceedure nessecary.  Perhaps, congenital heart defects and organ problems.

Im not for the current process of partial birth abortions.  Although again, it isnt just done that way.. some women goes into labor and they are like, yeah-- lets kill it now.  This is a proceedure, not a shock and awe campaign.  I do agree that the d & c is invasive and pretty barbaric.  But on the other hand I do understand the plight of someone that chose not to have the proceedure and have seen the repercussions on the very short  life of the child as well as the long life of the family.  If I was faced with the decision in my last weeks of pregnancy to terminate or suffer through watching my child die after birth, Id choose the latter, just to see the face of the amazing little creature that I had somehow created-- but I cannot deny someone the ability to terminate a pregnancy that nas no possibility of surviving.   


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: Skikid16]
    #1433846 - 04/06/03 06:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What about Colin Powell?

I'm glad you asked. One would think that as the only one among the group with any combat experience he would have a bigger say in how the war is prosecuted. In fact, he has less of a say than any of the people I've mentioned. Instead, he has the uneviable job of running around the world trying to convince a skeptical world to support an unnecessary and illegal war.


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    #1433852 - 04/06/03 06:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What do the Clintons have to do with Kerry or with my post? Two years the guy's been gone already and you're still nursing your grievances. I thought you were above such emotionalism, Mr. Mushrooms.

Sure, I'll wager you $100 that Bush, Jr. is not reelected. If he is in fact re-elected that will be the least of my problems. And if he isn't re-elected that will make the spectacle of his hubris meeting a fitting end that much sweeter.


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1434014 - 04/06/03 07:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Cool!  100 bucks is the same figure I thought would make it interesting but not too hard to take.

I explained the correlation between the Klintons and what Kerry said.  In my view "ballsy" is a euphemism for idiotic, risky, ill-thought-out, etc.

It's not emotionalism at all, just facts.  The way I look at it is this.  I can't lose.  If Bush wins I get some cash and if he loses he can't do anymore signifcant damage.  Which is also unlike the Klintons.  Hillary! is in the senate and we may never get rid of her. :frown:  And her winky dink husband considered running for mayor of NYC and know rumor has it the head of the UN.  The two of them are like a fucking virus.

And as far as the Klinton debacle is concerned, I made myself a promise to remind everyone I know about his "legacy" *cough* *cough* for as long as we were reminded about Nixon and his screw-up.  I figure, fair is fair.

Nixon and Klintone, what a fine pair of American Statesmen those guys were.  Too bad they weren't from the same party.  They would have made great running mates.  :smirk:

Cheers, :smile: 


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