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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: silversoul7]
    #1432666 - 04/06/03 12:06 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

A personal issue.

But since you asked, I'll tell.

I have studied the issue for about 30 years now. My mother had an abortion in 1951 and it was a major issue of her life and mine.

Good enough for you?


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: ]
    #1432669 - 04/06/03 12:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, cause men usually do know more then women about abortion.. right?

Heh


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1432672 - 04/06/03 12:09 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

railGun,

Can I get a link to that "statistic"?

Please dont tell me its a Faux News poll :smile: 


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: ]
    #1432673 - 04/06/03 12:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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A personal issue.

But since you asked, I'll tell.

I have studied the issue for about 30 years now. My mother had an abortion in 1951 and it was a major issue of her life and mine.

Good enough for you?



Almost, but how did you come to assume that PsiloKitten knew less about it than you?


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1432675 - 04/06/03 12:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, cause men usually do know more then women about abortion.. right?

Heh



Often they do. You think feminists have some monopoly on knowledge?


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1432680 - 04/06/03 12:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think what PsiloKitten was implying is that men can't have the same kind of emotional understanding of the abortion issue that women can have. I agree with this to a certain extent, but of course, Philosophical types like MM will tell you that emotions should have no place in decision-making.


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1432687 - 04/06/03 12:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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railGun,

Can I get a link to that "statistic"?

Please dont tell me its a Faux News poll :smile: 



Heaven's no. Now this poll is a few percent differnt from the one I cited, but I don't remember the source of it. Here's a source from ABC News:
American Views on Abortion 
Situation Should Be Legal Should Be Illegal
All or Most Cases 57% 42 
To Save Woman's Life 88 10
To Save Woman's Health 82 14
In Cases of Rape/Incest 81 17
Physically Impaired Baby 54 40
To End Unwanted Pregnancy 42 57
D&X/Partial-Birth Abortions 23 69
Pregnancy is 6 Months+ 11 86


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: silversoul7]
    #1432688 - 04/06/03 12:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I was wondering that too --I , being a WOMAN, who has been affected by this as well and a woman with many friends ranging from those who chose the standard medical abortion to those who have chose partial birth abortions because their child had no hope of survival and on a much deeper level as a life carrier, a life giver. Im not trivializing the male role in this, Im simply stating a fact-- you have no idea how it feels to carry life in your body and what it takes as a person to make a decision on wether you let that life suffer as much or as little as possible.

Just because I said what I did, there is no reason to brand someone a "Feminist"--


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: silversoul7]
    #1432694 - 04/06/03 12:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I think what PsiloKitten was implying is that men can't have the same kind of emotional understanding of the abortion issue that women can have. I agree with this to a certain extent, but of course, Philosophical types like MM will tell you that emotions should have no place in decision-making.



Good point, it could be the emotional understanding is the reason that a greater percent of women than men oppose partial birth abortion.


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: silversoul7]
    #1432702 - 04/06/03 12:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Almost, but how did you come to assume that PsiloKitten knew less about it than you?




That was an easy one. I read her post.

As you can see she was waaaaaaaay off the mark on one of the most uncontroversial and non-debatable aspects of the issue, i.e. popular opinion.

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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1432705 - 04/06/03 12:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

But in that poll,  it says that 54% support abortion in the case of an impaired baby.

See, you cant diagnose that until well past the first trimester, the consentual time period when abortion can be decided upon a whim, if that is the wish of the mother.


The current media bias and the linguistics of "Partial Birth Abortions" often fails to recognize that fact--- so not only is the polling traditionally skewed in sources such as this, but not understanding what something actually is-- just the invocation of its biased name-- can also account for the fact that those two statistics arent relevant.  -- 54% of people said they supported it when asked one way, while 69% said they didnt when asked in a more severe way :smile: 

That means 15% of the people polled completely contridicted themselves


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: ]
    #1432709 - 04/06/03 12:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

How exactly am I waaaaaay off the mark?


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1432710 - 04/06/03 12:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

partial birth abortion is fucked up.


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1432713 - 04/06/03 12:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If you have to ask, you'll never know.

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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1432717 - 04/06/03 12:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Those statistics speak for themselves without you trying to pervert them. D&E ("Partial Birth Abortion") is third trimester and not medicaly necessary.


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: ]
    #1432718 - 04/06/03 12:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Heh,  Oh you have joined the shroomery's coalition of the not so witty...

But keep up the good work.  :grin: 


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1432720 - 04/06/03 12:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

ugh. show some RESPECT niggaaaaaa!!!!!!!


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1432722 - 04/06/03 12:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

How am I perverting them?

The poll said 54% of americans thought abortion should be legal in the instance of a physically impaired child.

Then it said that 69% said partial birth abortions should be illegal.

Just how is medical science supposed to diagnose physical, congenital or chromosonal problems prior to the third trimester?

Do you know of some test that doctors do not?


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1432725 - 04/06/03 12:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm just wondering how we wandered so far off-topic?


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Re: Sen John Kerry statement=Fall of the democratic party [Re: ]
    #1432726 - 04/06/03 12:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Im showing just as much respect as Im being given :smile: 

Silversoul,  unfortunately sometimes people make additional claims in threads that are off topic that one cant just sit idly by and not refute :smile:


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