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River Man
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Questions about the PF Tek
#14320905 - 04/20/11 12:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I watched the video "Let's Grow Mushrooms!" which explains the PF Tek and I have a few questions. Firstly, why do you put tin foil over the lids after putting breathable tape on the holes? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? Do you take the foil off of the jars after you inoculate them? And how do you know where the holes are when youre injecting the spores?
Thank you.
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Re: Questions about the PF Tek [Re: River Man] 1
#14320937 - 04/20/11 12:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You put foil over the tap while they're heating so that the water doesn't soak through the tap and into the jar. You take it off when they're done cooking.
As for knowing where the holes are, the video shows one big patch covering the whole lid, but I'd cut the tape into little bits and just put it over the holes. It makes them easier to find.
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Re: Questions about the PF Tek [Re: Puzzled]
#14320947 - 04/20/11 12:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ah that makes sense. Thank you.
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Re: Questions about the PF Tek [Re: River Man]
#14320961 - 04/20/11 12:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The foil should be kept on while PC'ing/steaming to keep water from pooling on the lids surface. This keeps the dry verm dry, and sometimes it takes a little pokin round to find the hole.(lol) You will get used to it after a couple jars and will get it. You can take the foil off before and after inoculation or leave it on just make sure its loose if ya leave it on.
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Re: Questions about the PF Tek [Re: A.Pariah]
#14321497 - 04/20/11 03:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shroomers are liars, PF tek isn't the easiest, check out Damion5050 elementary coir tek, unless you want to have a lot of trouble for a fail when you could get an ounce of shrooms at once. All you need are the ingredients, a tote, and sum learnin. Search-Mono tub, MSG, SGFC, Hybrid mono, pyramid. Don't listen to them, I have 12 PF cakes I am about to chuck that are 100% just because it isn't worth it. 1 brick coco coir/2 cups verm and 5-6 quarts of fully colonized rye and you have enough for your friends too, barely with a MS noc tho.
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Re: Questions about the PF Tek [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14321529 - 04/20/11 03:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i am just wondering do you user the same procces for a petri dish print or is that something completely different??i just order my petri dishes and i am looking for a guide as how to go about this and grow it
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Re: Questions about the PF Tek [Re: Johann]
#14321539 - 04/20/11 04:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You take a tissue sample from the inside of the stem of the shroom you want to clone, you then isolate the best myc growing from the culture and make a master jar from that.
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Re: Questions about the PF Tek [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14321546 - 04/20/11 04:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pins are grape tastic,        
No shrooms won't grow towards light...BULL!
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Re: Questions about the PF Tek [Re: 3n1gm4] 1
#14321694 - 04/20/11 06:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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3n1gm4 said: Shroomers are liars, PF tek isn't the easiest, check out Damion5050 elementary coir tek, unless you want to have a lot of trouble for a fail when you could get an ounce of shrooms at once.
This is incorrect. The brf tek is the easiest, fastest, and highest efficiency method of growing cubensis, period. Sometimes growers don't follow the instructions and fail, but advising one to go straight to grains and bulk substrates when they haven't learned the basics in order to "get an ounce" is like advising a parent to get their 3 year old a mountain bike instead of a tricycle because "he can go so much faster".
Experienced growers use bulk substrates. You'll never find a commercial mushroom farm using pf cakes, just like you'll never find a Pulitzer prize winning author practicing his ABCs. However, we all have to start somewhere, and that's an excellent place. I wish that tek had been around when I was learning. RR
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Re: Questions about the PF Tek [Re: River Man]
#14321699 - 04/20/11 06:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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River Man said: I watched the video "Let's Grow Mushrooms!" which explains the PF Tek and I have a few questions. Firstly, why do you put tin foil over the lids after putting breathable tape on the holes? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? Do you take the foil off of the jars after you inoculate them? And how do you know where the holes are when youre injecting the spores?
Thank you.
Maybe you should just follow the Tek, It has worked wonders for me and there is a search bar for those types of questions that have been answered over and over.
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Re: Questions about the PF Tek [Re: DynGBreeD]
#14321829 - 04/20/11 07:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I bought spore already on a petri dish?what to do next??
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3n1gm4
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Re: Questions about the PF Tek [Re: Johann]
#14322350 - 04/20/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Buy a 16 gauge needle from a vet or get a meat marinade kit with a big syringe in it, I still think bulk is easier and faster comparing flush sizes, I have seen some crazy flushes on cakes on here, but nobody ever shares a secret, they just say UTFSE.
I guess PF tek must just be too simple for me, I can get a mono to work and even a hybrid I thought up, but for some reason I can't get the cakes to work. I also have watched the RR and the simple mind videos and followed the tek to a T and I only have 2 HP cakes left. The others just didn't colonize. Monos are nice I like getting everything in one big crop, the only fruit I have gotten from a BRF cake was just one or two at a time and that sucks.
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Re: Questions about the PF Tek [Re: 3n1gm4] 1
#14322425 - 04/20/11 10:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I use breathable tape so I can see the holes. Also, before steaming or PCing you can use a perm marker to dot on the tape where the holes are. In my experience, if you are inoculating and do not hit the hole, you know you accidently hit the lid, take out needle and flame sterlize again just to be safe. I had 2 contams on jars that I didnt re flame sterlize. Also, before injecting, you should wipe your jar lids down with alcohol
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SFDs and red RTV is better, SFDs can be used over and over and protect to .3 microns, red RTV inoc hole is also reusable a few times then you just pull it off and re apply, you can take the SFD off and use it on another jar lid too if something happens to your lid(e.g. rusty/bent). This is how I make my lids now and I will never go back to tape and foil, you don't even have to put foil on these lids because the steam molecules are spaced too far apart to fit through the filter, so you don't have to worry about water getting into jar or condensation on the lid when you take off the foil.

Lid making step by step, the lid will wear out before the filter and the self healing inoc point. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14186384/page/1
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Edited by 3n1gm4 (04/20/11 11:13 AM)
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Re: Questions about the PF Tek [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14322790 - 04/20/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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3n1gm4 said: This is how I make my lids now and I will never go back to tape and foil, you don't even have to put foil on these lids because the steam molecules are spaced too far apart to fit through the filter, so you don't have to worry about water getting into jar or condensation on the lid when you take off the foil.
How do you say you do not need foil and then talk about taking the foil off in the same sentence?
If the SFD did not allow for steam to escape from your jar you would have a container with a vacume seal after pressure cooking.
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Umm because if you don't use a sfd you have to use foil and there will be condensation...
Steam comes out of your jars?
I use TL's lids and I don't use foil, there is no condensation and the moisture content is perfect. You just have to be careful and not use too much water.
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Re: Questions about the PF Tek [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14322859 - 04/20/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not sure why I waste my time, good day.
Edited by EvilMushroom666 (04/20/11 12:56 PM)
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for PF Tek. The cakes are way simple compared to grains which you need to specially design lids for or do an open lid which raises risks of contaminants. I started and am still doing cakes, they are very good to get down the concept of mushroom cultivation.
I'm not saying grain isn't a bad place to start at all but PF Tek is no doubt easier. No PC needed which is the biggest bonus and the observation of progress isn't like the grains from what I have seen.
blessings on your grow OP
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Re: Questions about the PF Tek [Re: OneU]
#14322995 - 04/20/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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OneU said:
for PF Tek. The cakes are way simple compared to grains which you need to specially design lids for or do an open lid which raises risks of contaminants. I started and am still doing cakes, they are very good to get down the concept of mushroom cultivation.
I'm not saying grain isn't a bad place to start at all but PF Tek is no doubt easier. No PC needed which is the biggest bonus and the observation of progress isn't like the grains from what I have seen.
blessings on your grow OP
I use a hole in my quart jars and stuff with poly fill. Then inoculate. So far so good!
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Re: Questions about the PF Tek [Re: 3n1gm4] 1
#14323193 - 04/20/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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3n1gm4 said: you don't even have to put foil on these lids because the steam molecules are spaced too far apart to fit through the filter, so you don't have to worry about water getting into jar or condensation on the lid when you take off the foil.
Steam molecules spaced too far apart? You might want to brush up on fluid mechanics a bit. You got any idea of the spacing at 15 psi?
Regardless, the foil isn't to protect from steam. It's to protect from water drops that rain down from the lid of the pressure cooker during sterilization. All filtered jars should be covered with foil during sterilization. The foil can be reused dozens of times until it disintegrates. RR
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