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My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ (update first flush harvest and pictures)
    #14320166 - 04/19/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hello, I would like to thank every one on Shroomery for their information, especially Magash and RR.  I have 10 BRF jars(6 B+ and 4 PE) in half pint jars, birthed in a  PMP with a 20 gal fish pump hydro-tron in the bottom at about 3.5 inches and water about an inch from the top of the hydro-tron, all in a 66 quart container. This is my first grow but I did do quite a bit of research before hand and I don't know if its because of being a biochem major that this seemed extremely easy and has gone well or what.  Anyway, here are few pictures, which I affectionately refer to as "the experiment" so far. 

Here are my jars as of April 6th.  I birthed the cakes on April 18th.  I did allow for one week of consolidation.



Here my cakes being dunked for around 22 hours, I wasn't able to get the whole 24 hours like I wanted, but being in-between 12 and 24 I decided it would suffice.



In the next picture it shows my cakes in the PMP with the lid off.  I have to double check what the value in Kelvins is for that lamp, I bought it a while ago for my bonsai during the winter, its not good quality at all, but oh well.



And here is a picture of where I am at now.  I'm a lil concerned about water level.  I feel like have the water at a good level.  The walls of the chamber were pretty well condensed after 24 hours.



I had another weekend that I had to leave and have a friend watch my shrooms, but I've got my first pins and some fruits forming, and of course I have pictures.  I've been really busy with some work for my internship so I haven't been able enough to put enough hands on care with them as I've wanted. 

I think I have a lack of FAE because some of the cakes have yet to pin, but don't have signs of contamination.  The humidity is good, but the temps may be a little low because we've been having a cold Spring here and the heat is off during the majority of the house in a not so well insulated college house.

I'm thinking about making some Grain LC's if things start to go better.  In a few weeks I'll have more time to pay attention to my project, so I want to do a Rye Berry Monotub with some B+ because as patient as I am the PE cake have been slightly slower in everything which I have read about elsewhere online as well.

And now for the pictures.












Ok, so I harvested some shrooms from my first couple cakes.  I got 109.8 grams fresh from two cakes that were ready.

And now for some pictures, I have one that's on my phone that I'm working on uploading that shows them in all their glory on the cake still, which I will upload later.







This guy weighed out to 16.5 fresh, the scale readout didnt turn out well in this one



All of the first shrooms, total 109.8 g fresh.  I have them fan drying now.
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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: deusmaxina]
    #14320706 - 04/19/11 11:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not too familiar with cakes, but don't you want some holes in that tub for air exchange?

Also, I think it's the norm to put some foil or jar lids under your cakes.

looking good otherwise :super:

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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: Primal Call]
    #14320730 - 04/19/11 11:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Ryath said:
I'm not too familiar with cakes, but don't you want some holes in that tub for air exchange?

Also, I think it's the norm to put some foil or jar lids under your cakes.

looking good otherwise :super:

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you dont need to worry about gas exchange with a PMP. the air pump takes care of that.

i would suggest putting the cakes on tin foil.

misting wont hurt either :smile:


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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: Ajaxx]
    #14320791 - 04/19/11 11:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ahhh, thx ajaxx. I went straight to bulk :tongue2:

what's PMP short for?


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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: Primal Call]
    #14320871 - 04/20/11 12:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

poor mans pod

i gew once and had some success, but not a lot.

i decided to say fuck it and go to bulk too. :smile: pf cakes suck.


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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: Ajaxx]
    #14320958 - 04/20/11 12:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That's an awesome looking setup. I don't know how much of a yield cakes give, since I only do tubs (which is rare), but it looks cool. Biochem is an awesome major, too, op. I like your style. I think you should have done around 4-5 monotubs, though. They're easy and you get a lot of return. My first grow was 7 monotubs with 0 failures. I don't grow like that anymore, though. Now it's personal use only, rarely. Don't pay your way through school selling anything you make. I know it's tempting, but just say no.


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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: CaptainAhab]
    #14321592 - 04/20/11 05:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm just growing them for some self experiments with some friends.  I do need to get tin foil, for some reason I didn't have any in my room or my friends house.  I'm using a PMP because I'm extremely busy and it just seemed like the lowest maintenance set-up I could do.  I plan on doing another grow this summer, possibly some a bulk grow and either use a martha or use a mono.  There are four holes on the top of the lid for FAE they don't show up in the pictures.


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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: deusmaxina]
    #14322139 - 04/20/11 09:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i think monotubs would be the best bet over marthas. marthas are going to cost a bit to set up and youll have to get a timer and water vaporizer thing.

you dont have to do jack shit with monotubs. just put them together, let sit, and then harvest :smile: simple. and bulk!


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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: Ajaxx]
    #14322423 - 04/20/11 10:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, the more I have been looking into Mono-tubs the more I become a fan of them. I was sold on the PMP because it seemed like an easy and reliable method, and I wanted to steer clear from perlite because of the mess.  I think on my next grow I'll use them because I planned on switching to bulk for the next one, just for comparison.

Ajaxx, you mentioned misting with the PMP, I've read that misting is not required with the PMP just as fanning is not necessary, but would occasional misting give it a little bit more help, or would it be overzealous?

I've become pretty fascinated with mycology lately as a hobby.  I like it, it's simple, and  requires a lot patience, but I find it worthwhile.  It's a lot different than the normal experiments I do so it's a good change of pace.

Also, I know this question has been asked many times, and I was going to do an experiment with it, but maybe later.  I was going to crumble and case a few of my cakes and put them in the PMP, but I kept reading conflicted reports that it doesn't necessarily provide bigger yields and such, which really doesn't make sense to me why it wouldn't because of increased surface area etc, but I just left mine as cakes because I've been pretty swamped lately with other things.


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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: deusmaxina]
    #14322448 - 04/20/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

you could crumble and spawn them. ive done that with cakes, it worked, but in retrospect i wish i had just left the cakes as cakes.

if you want to spawn to bulk, do rye berries to monotubs :smile:

its fuckin amazing. click my signatures link to see what im talkin about :smile: i should have some mushrooms popping up in a week or so.


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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: Ajaxx]
    #14323246 - 04/20/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, I like to do things right when I do them so I'm still deciding on which bulk method I'm going to use next time around.  I've seen a lot of success with rye berries. 

I'm hoping to get pins by the end of the weekend and have my first harvest next week some time.  I'm at the point in the project now where I haven't had any problems so far that I'm just hoping that the fruiting process goes just as well.  With 10 cakes I can't really decided on what yield I'll be content with, but all I want is enough for myself and a few friends.

What I'm really hoping for is that the PE lives up to the reputation.

Ajaxx, I did check out your growlog and it looks very impressive.


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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: deusmaxina]
    #14326778 - 04/21/11 08:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: First_Tek]
    #14350162 - 04/25/11 04:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hey so I have an update and some questions.  I had to leave town for a few days for a funeral so I had my mushies watched by a friend, but she's not the most knowledgeable person on any of this, but I just had her fan a couple times a day because I'm slightly concerned that my 20-gal air pump is not doing a good enough job providing FAE.  Should've gone Mono probably, but oh well, live and learn. 

I have some growth on the cakes, which I have not been able to get tin foil under the cakes yet because I just got back into town a couple hours ago.  But I am concerned that it maybe cobweb, but could be overgrowth by the mycelium.  It doesn't look grey that much, so I feel comfortable about that, but I wanted to post some pictures for the more knowledgeable people to give me their opinion.  It's been exactly a week since I birthed them.  I'm hoping that they're just slow pinning and I should see some in the next few days.  All the growth on them was noted by my friend a couple days ago, and my understanding of cobweb and other contaminants is that they tend to grow very quickly and by now it would've spread much more.









I haven't been misting because the humidity seems to have been pretty high and I couldn't get the hygrometer I wanted so I don't know the exact RH, which does bother me quite a bit actually.  Just wondering if I should do a water/H202 mist in the case of cobweb.


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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: deusmaxina]
    #14350322 - 04/25/11 05:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

not cobweb. youre good. misting and fanning dont hurt. just dont over mist the cakes or hit the pins head on with water droplets.

if i were you id put those cakes on foil ASAP


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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: Ajaxx]
    #14350390 - 04/25/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

im still quite a newbie but... are those cakes sitting directly on the hydroton... i think there is supposed to be a barrier there like foil or something?


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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: ic3.qu33n]
    #14350449 - 04/25/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, that has been mentioned, by myself and by others.  I meant to get some before I left for the funeral but ran out of time, and as I got back I was swamped with work for my other research and school work, but I will have it under them later this evening when I get done with the rest of my work.


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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: deusmaxina]
    #14373570 - 04/29/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

After 11 days in the fruiting chamber I have my first pins starting to grow on a few of the cakes.  I will post pictures later when I get back with my camera.


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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: deusmaxina]
    #14401118 - 05/04/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hello, this is my first update in a while.  I had another weekend that I had to leave and have a friend watch my shrooms, but I've got my first pins and some fruits forming, and of course I have pictures.  I've been really busy with some work for my internship so I haven't been able enough to put enough hands on care with them as I've wanted. 

I think I have a lack of FAE because some of the cakes have yet to pin, but don't have signs of contamination.  The humidity is good, but the temps may be a little low because we've been having a cold Spring here and the heat is off during the majority of the house in a not so well insulated college house.

I'm thinking about making some Grain LC's if things start to go better.  In a few weeks I'll have more time to pay attention to my project, so I want to do a Rye Berry Monotub with some B+ because as patient as I am the PE cake have been slightly slower in everything which I have read about elsewhere online as well.

And now for the pictures.











Thanks.


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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: deusmaxina]
    #14401221 - 05/04/11 06:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah, the more I have been looking into Mono-tubs the more I become a fan of them.




Mono is the best bulk IMO. Little equipment, little taking care of.

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Ajaxx, you mentioned misting with the PMP, I've read that misting is not required with the PMP just as fanning is not necessary, but would occasional misting give it a little bit more help, or would it be overzealous?




Don't mist. It's already way moist in the PMP. I would fan as much as you can. If your pump doesnt recirculate the air quickly enough you'll need FAE not moisture.


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I was going to crumble and case a few of my cakes and put them in the PMP, but I kept reading conflicted reports that it doesn't necessarily provide bigger yields and such, which really doesn't make sense to me why it wouldn't because of increased surface area etc




A casing layer is not what you want. You could break up your cakes and spawn them to a substrate.

My first grow i didn't have wide mouth. So i had to break my cakes into pieces to get them out. Then i spawned them to straight coco coir. Definitely got more than your usual yields. You'll probably need ~1week for colonization.

6 cakes made 2oz dry on the first flush.

Spawn them straight to coco. If you had enough cakes i would make a mono and dump the PMP. But you'd need ~6 quarts of spawn.


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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: TrustYourSelf]
    #14401271 - 05/04/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah this was just a trial run to get the feel of it and what it really takes.  I'm not going to be disappointed in a small yield.  I have ten cakes, so I should get enough for now.


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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: deusmaxina]
    #14401282 - 05/04/11 06:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah this was just a trial run to get the feel of it and what it really takes.  I'm not going to be disappointed in a small yield.  I have ten cakes, so I should get enough for now.




Are you using bubblewands or airstones?


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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: TrustYourSelf]
    #14401565 - 05/04/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Bubblewands.  I am only using a 20 gal air pump, I wanted to go bigger and I should have.  I forgot to bring the one for an 80 gal at home that I have back with me to school.  I am going to increase fanning to 3-4 times a day now because I'll be around more.


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Re: My First Grow. PF-tek, PMP, PE and B+ [Re: deusmaxina]
    #14411247 - 05/06/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, so I harvested some shrooms from my first couple cakes.  I got 109.8 grams fresh from two cakes that were ready.

And now for some pictures, I have one that's on my phone that I'm working on uploading that shows them in all their glory on the cake still, which I will upload later.







This guy weighed out to 16.5 fresh, the scale readout didnt turn out well in this one



All of the first shrooms, total 109.8 g fresh.  I have them fan drying now.


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