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SilkyShroomer
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First Grow Log, Super Cheap Grow :)
#14319857 - 04/19/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Super excited to start my first grow. I have a couple buddies who bought pretty expensive pre made kits and i wanted to see if i could do it for a fraction of the price. Thanks to this forum i have gathered all the materials for my first grow for under 30$ my buddy payed 200+ for all his materials. Lucky for me i just snagged one of his finished caps so i didn't even need to buy spores i just did some research and made a sterile spore print and loaded up a syringe.
4-12-2011 Jars loaded with Organic Rye Flour, Verm, and water mixture then loaded in a pot to steam sterilize.
Covered the hole with masking tape and set aside to cool down for the night
While i was letting the Jars cool down I started to obtain my spore print on a sterile piece of aluminum foil inside a Tupperware container

4-13-2011
inoculated 6 Mason jars with the spore syringe i had made.

4-15-2011 checked the jars for the first time a couple of them show some growth

4-17-2011 one jar seems to be growing much quicker than the others, 2 have shown nothing at all

I just wanted to get this started i will be adding pictures and updating the log once a week or so, just wanted a place to document my first grow 
Edited by SilkyShroomer (04/19/11 09:28 PM)
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Re: First Grow Log, Super Cheap Grow :) [Re: SilkyShroomer]
#14319886 - 04/19/11 09:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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erm, where did you read you could use rye flour with steam sterilisation.
If your doing the pf tek withouth a pressure cooker you have to use brown rice flour.
Any other grain has to be pressure cooked. Sorry but you will need to start over, rye flour will likely end up with bacterial contamination if not pressure cooked.
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Re: First Grow Log, Super Cheap Grow :) [Re: SilkyShroomer]
#14319889 - 04/19/11 09:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good idea amigo, with care and research you will out-do your friend's pre made kit with ease. Good luck!
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SilkyShroomer
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Re: First Grow Log, Super Cheap Grow :) [Re: SilkyShroomer]
#14319904 - 04/19/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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-_- on one of the teks it said i could use brf, organic rye flour or WBS and i don't think it specified i needed to pressure cook the rye flour, i probably misread something , meh check these pics im about to upload and see if it looks normal so far
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Re: First Grow Log, Super Cheap Grow :) [Re: SilkyShroomer]
#14319962 - 04/19/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ive never used rye flour myself so i could be wrong. But the logic is that rye grain, wbs, popcorn (pretty much any grain except brown rice) contaminant unless pressure cooked. Since rye grain is where rye flour comes from why should it be any different.
I just read a post there where someone tried it despite a few claiming to have it work, with him just getting contamination after contamion.
You never know it might work, but if you havnt inocced those jars i wouldnt.
what tek did you use?
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Re: First Grow Log, Super Cheap Grow :) [Re: SilkyShroomer]
#14320011 - 04/19/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Also - - Are those regular mouth quart jars???
- Masking tape could prove to be a problem as I don't believe it will give you the FAE (Fresh Air Exchange) you are looking for.
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Re: First Grow Log, Super Cheap Grow :) [Re: quebus]
#14320039 - 04/19/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The masking tape isnt a problem if he inoculated through the tape and didnt retape them up.
NOw i definatly think your using an old outdated tek, or couldnt get half pint jars and used larger jars, they dont even look like pints.
with the pf tek your better of using half pints. they perform best. Anything larger and you run into problems. Mainly long colinisation times and even stalling.
Is that really 5 days after inoculation??? seems like a hell of a lot of growth
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Re: First Grow Log, Super Cheap Grow :) [Re: veda_sticks]
#14320119 - 04/19/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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thats what i was thinking. if so, dayum
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Re: First Grow Log, Super Cheap Grow :) [Re: drosmoka]
#14320139 - 04/19/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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even if people say to throw them out you might as well watch them for a while first.
Everyone told me to put a kitten down a few years ago but I amputated the leg at home myself and its still alive today.
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Quote:
Larrythescaryrex said: even if people say to throw them out you might as well watch them for a while first.
Everyone told me to put a kitten down a few years ago but I amputated the leg at home myself and its still alive today.
please tell me thats a lie
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Re: First Grow Log, Super Cheap Grow :) [Re: drosmoka]
#14320185 - 04/19/11 10:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Silky, Did you use the same method for each jar? Is #3 (With the most growth) the same mixtures as the rest?
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SilkyShroomer
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haha i guess i did a bunch of shitty research and mashed up what sounded good idk.
i put almost all of that spore print in one syringe maybe that's why so much growth?
but yea i couldn't find smaller jars at the time, i got em now and they all look white as cotton in real life so maybe ill get lucky with those, i was planning on either braking the jars to leave a few cakes but for the rest i was gunna go to some sort of bulk method in cow poo
this is basically what im sticking to:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10981397
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Re: First Grow Log, Super Cheap Grow :) [Re: Noobiesnack]
#14320215 - 04/19/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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gonna be tough getting those out of the jar.
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Re: First Grow Log, Super Cheap Grow :) [Re: SilkyShroomer]
#14320240 - 04/19/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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They are all the same ratios of mixture, i mixed all the stuff up in a big bowl with the proper ratios then filled some fuller than others just because this was my first time im trying different variables for fun. But they are all the same. should have the same amount from the syringe for all of em to, even the smaller ones got as much spores as the bigger ones.
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Re: First Grow Log, Super Cheap Grow :) [Re: SilkyShroomer]
#14320258 - 04/19/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just out of curiosity how did you go about making your spore syringe?
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SilkyShroomer
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syringe from pharmacy in sterile package, along with sterile water from first aid section at a cvs or walgreens.
cleaned a small glass out with alcohol
sucked up two things of distilled water and let it out in the clean cup, scraped the whole print in the cup, mixed it up with a sterile spoon then sucked that shit up in my syringe.
i wore gloves,face mask, sprayed down the area and airspace and there was no airflow in the room(closed windows, turned off ac, and fan)
Edited by SilkyShroomer (04/19/11 10:34 PM)
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Re: First Grow Log, Super Cheap Grow :) [Re: SilkyShroomer]
#14320346 - 04/19/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Next time use a Glove box, you might run into problems with contaminates even tho you made the syringe in a room with "no airflow".
A glovebox's airflow is easier to keep still then a room.
Stranger things have happened, and I have heard people claim to make viable clean syringes in open air by spraying the area down first.
I personally would rather build a GB and be a little more certain that I am working in a sterile environment.
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yup just bought the materials for a glove box and fruiting chamber today. Didn't have much money but wanted to start it out anyways. my buddys got more spore prints coming through soon, but did my procedures seem alright aside from the glove box?
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Re: First Grow Log, Super Cheap Grow :) [Re: SilkyShroomer]
#14320407 - 04/19/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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What works for one might not work for others.
I know 100% that if I followed your procedures to make a spore syringe in my house it would be full of contaminates.
Like I said above tho, I have heard people claim to have made aseptic syringes following a similar procedure to what you described.
Spore load varies from place to place, house to house, and depends on a LOT of different variables.
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right that might explain the mass amount of growth, due to the amount of spores used.
Next time only use a little amouint of spores per syringe. A decent spore print can make many syringes, infact a spore print the size of a 50p coin could make 10 even 20 10cc syringes.
it may colinise fast with the amount of spores but you loose out later on. each set of spores that germinate and join up create a uniquie ginetic growth of mycelium, these networks have to join up with other networks, and the more you have the more time its gonna take and the more chance your going to have to have networks that are not compatible and wont join. Ideally you want the least amount of ginetic varation growing and you want in the end 1 network throughout the jar and not several seperate ones.
If your having trouble getting 1/2 pints jars it is possible to use half pint drinking glasses with make shift lids made out of foil. While not ideal they do work, worked for me with a success rate of 99%.
If you are pressure cooking, theyn you may want to look into using grain since those jars will be better suited to grain.
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Re: First Grow Log, Super Cheap Grow :) [Re: veda_sticks]
#14324308 - 04/20/11 06:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Alas i checked my jars two of them with no growth grew a little. A very little dot of green mold looking shit on two of my jars -_- toss em and clean out the jars?
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