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STIKAROUND
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VENUS PROJECT!!!
HOLY SHIT THIS IS AMAZING!!!
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Edited by STIKAROUND (04/19/11 08:39 PM)
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Re: Do you love or despise capitalism? [Re: numonkei]
#14319687 - 04/19/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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STIKAROUND said: Capitalist market based societies like the US are what keep us consuming and program us to be materialistic. How could there be any good in this? We are taught that the fast paced, instant gratification based, and luxurious lifestyles we live are neccesary in fact it is this beahavior is not only dehumanizing it is literally destroying the planet.
Capitalism = Bad
Well said. The whole capitalist culture is mind numbingly stupid and absolutely disgusting.
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Re: Do you love or despise capitalism? [Re: STIKAROUND]
#14319692 - 04/19/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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STIKAROUND said: VENUS PROJECT!!!
HOLY SHIT THIS IS AMAZING!!!
I agree with this man.
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numonkei
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Re: Do you love or despise capitalism? [Re: STIKAROUND]
#14319693 - 04/19/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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STIKAROUND said: Capitalist market based societies like the US are what keep us consuming and program us to be materialistic. How could there be any good in this? We are taught that the fast paced, instant gratification based, and luxurious lifestyles we live are neccesary in fact it is this beahavior is not only dehumanizing it is literally destroying the planet.
Capitalism = Bad
I'm not saying it's generally a good thing, but historically people are pretty materialistic, or at least the materialistic end up writing and printing the history books.
I don't think greed is dehumanizing, it's one of the dominant factors of human existence and plays a role in our evolution from bacteria...unless the bacteria wrote the history books and all this shit is conspiracy...which is greedy.
See what the bacteria is sayin?
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Re: Do you love or despise capitalism? [Re: Devlish2]
#14319706 - 04/19/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: I like capitalism, I'd really love it a lot if I was on the bill gates end of the pay scale
Capitalism, stealing other people's ideas and making a fortune off of them.
define stealing because most people are compensated for those ideas or are under contract that allows the employer to retain any ideas developed on their time and some are unable to develop any similar ideas for a certain time period after employment is terminated... no one forces them to sign the contract, they do so because it was their choice
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Re: Do you love or despise capitalism? [Re: numonkei]
#14319711 - 04/19/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, economic freedom is very bad. We should implement bureaucratic over-sight to help us get rid of this pernicious evil.
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Re: Do you love or despise capitalism? [Re: STIKAROUND]
#14319717 - 04/19/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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STIKAROUND said: Capitalist market based societies like the US are what keep us consuming and program us to be materialistic. How could there be any good in this? We are taught that the fast paced, instant gratification based, and luxurious lifestyles we live are neccesary in fact it is this beahavior is not only dehumanizing it is literally destroying the planet.
Capitalism = Bad
no one is being programmed, it's human nature that kicks in and desires things
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Re: Do you love or despise capitalism? [Re: DungeonMaster]
#14319729 - 04/19/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Look, you can't trust a dude named Milton.
...For real.
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Re: Do you love or despise capitalism? [Re: AntiEverything]
#14319759 - 04/19/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I support capitalism with some serious convictions. My beliefs are based in thoughts around resource ownership. I think people should have individual land rights, but the inter connectivity of ecology and hydrology make a landowners actions more wide spread than they know; meaning that chemicals a person put in their water effects a much larger population. I support capitalism with necessary regulation to protect the rights of others.
Disappointingly capitalism in the US is starting to look like fascism
Of course you can have freedom and capitalsim! It's the basis of today's classical republicanism and the libertarian party!
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Re: Do you love or despise capitalism? [Re: numonkei]
#14319762 - 04/19/11 08:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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STIKAROUND said: Capitalist market based societies like the US are what keep us consuming and program us to be materialistic. How could there be any good in this? We are taught that the fast paced, instant gratification based, and luxurious lifestyles we live are neccesary in fact it is this beahavior is not only dehumanizing it is literally destroying the planet.
Capitalism = Bad
no one is being programmed, it's human nature that kicks in and desires things
Human nature, in general, is susceptible to being programmed.
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Re: Do you love or despise capitalism? [Re: numonkei]
#14319786 - 04/19/11 08:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Monk I did not know it was all LIES until around the 17th year of my life. The way I started the deconditioning from the ideologies of the bacteria (that infect the human mind) was when I met an elderly artist who introduced me to the PF tek. Ever since then the truth(or what I perceive to be the truth) has made me hate my cultural restraints and the way things are.
RIP T Rizzo, Aldous Huxley, Terence Mckenna, Bill Hicks, and The Mushroom Goddess
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Re: Do you love or despise capitalism? [Re: DungeonMaster]
#14319793 - 04/19/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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im always thinking.....i could strike it rich by tricking everyone into something stupid. like billy mays did.
then i remember, when you are rich, you just buy coke like billy mays . id rather be a pothead.
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Re: Do you love or despise capitalism? [Re: numonkei]
#14319794 - 04/19/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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numonkei said: ...Wait, what the fuck is freedom?
~Monk
I'd say freedom is summed up with the phrase: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."
In capitalism, freedom is the free market, laissez-faire trade, the freedom to make money. And as such is puts limitations on the freedoms of people without money.
Real freedom is the ability to do whatever you want, laws of physics permitting. To do whatever you desire. Good and bad. The only real rules that confine a human being are the limits of possibility itself.
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Re: Do you love or despise capitalism? [Re: STIKAROUND]
#14319798 - 04/19/11 08:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, it was.
Sorry.

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Re: Do you love or despise capitalism? [Re: numonkei]
#14319814 - 04/19/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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if you were following the manson thread you would know we are all just one anyway
freedom of the mind, not the body. communism all the way. if they gave us opiates and LSD i would totally be down.
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Re: Do you love or despise capitalism? [Re: AntiEverything]
#14319820 - 04/19/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I got opiates and LSD from a communist once.
Good stuff too, fentanyl pops are fucking delicious.
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Real freedom is the ability to do whatever you want, laws of physics permitting. To do whatever you desire. Good and bad. The only real rules that confine a human being are the limits of possibility itself.
So what would fake freedom be then? What you posit seems very difficult to imagine on a holistic level, as it's never been recorded to happen. And would that involve the freedom to not be free?
Could an infinite regress be free? Or is it given the false illusion of freedom while being presented only the option of regress and coerced into believing sincerely that this is the route to take, this infinite regress?
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Re: Do you love or despise capitalism? [Re: AntiEverything]
#14319829 - 04/19/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Capitalism had its uses, but now that civilization has grown so much and our resources are dwindling, it's time for a new plan. Capitalism only works if things are constantly being consumed, and there's no way to create a sustainable system out of constant consumption.
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Re: Do you love or despise capitalism? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14319837 - 04/19/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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numonkei said: ...Wait, what the fuck is freedom?
~Monk
I'd say freedom is summed up with the phrase: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."
In capitalism, freedom is the free market, laissez-faire trade, the freedom to make money. And as such is puts limitations on the freedoms of people without money.
Real freedom is the ability to do whatever you want, laws of physics permitting. To do whatever you desire. Good and bad. The only real rules that confine a human being are the limits of possibility itself.
The way you describe freedom is what I would call freedom of movement and action. I have complete freedom to what whatever I please, but so does everyone else so a line must be drawn at infringing on the freedom of others....or you are simply being your own little fascist dictator doing as you please without regard to responsibility or the outcomes of ones actions
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Re: Do you love or despise capitalism? [Re: AntiEverything]
#14319849 - 04/19/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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AntiEverything said: if you were following the manson thread you would know we are all just one anyway
freedom of the mind, not the body. communism all the way. if they gave us opiates and LSD i would totally be down.
Oh yes, Communism is a lovely thing. Price controls have worked EVERY-TIME they've been implemented. Commissars ALWAYS have the people's interest at heart. The Ukrainian famine of 1932-33 was the evil capitalists' fault. Communism ALWAYS works.
Karl was joking when said this (he had to be amirite?): "One thing is certain, that I am no Marxist." Letter from Marx to Engels dated Sept. 30, 1882.
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Re: Do you love or despise capitalism? [Re: nalyudi]
#14319855 - 04/19/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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nalyudi said: ....or you are simply being your own little fascist dictator doing as you please without regard to responsibility or the outcomes of ones actions
Yep.
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