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true sanity
    #14310282 - 04/18/11 02:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So it seems to me a good percentage of popular beliefs today would be considered by definition, insane. from as simple a thing as the belief in god to more complex things like the belief in certain aspects of quantum mechanics. the basis of my opinion is the idea that any belief which defies logic is insanity. i guess a good starting point would be to discuss your opinion of what sanity is. I am of the opinion that belief in anything which doesnt follow logic is insane. I think it is just as insane to believe in ghosts than to think the c.i.a is after you and even though it may seem harmless, it is far from it.

now taht ive re read that i should mention that the word belief itself implies that it defies logic so basically any belief is insane. anything which follows logic would be considered fact.


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Re: true sanity [Re: zoomfan]
    #14310552 - 04/18/11 06:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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zoomfan said:
So it seems to me a good percentage of popular beliefs today would be considered by definition, insane. from as simple a thing as the belief in god to more complex things like the belief in certain aspects of quantum mechanics. the basis of my opinion is the idea that any belief which defies logic is insanity. i guess a good starting point would be to discuss your opinion of what sanity is. I am of the opinion that belief in anything which doesnt follow logic is insane. I think it is just as insane to believe in ghosts than to think the c.i.a is after you and even though it may seem harmless, it is far from it.

now taht ive re read that i should mention that the word belief itself implies that it defies logic so basically any belief is insane. anything which follows logic would be considered fact.




What if I follow a course of logic and reach into another end which starts to go on the corse that defies the followed logic in first place, like in quantum mechanics and the viewer paradigma? There is still logic involved, it is not illogical, but each logic applyes only in certain set of rules. You find out the rules have changed, whole logic is changed. But what causes the rules?


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Re: true sanity [Re: Simms]
    #14314960 - 04/19/11 12:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

a wise person once told me that the natural energy of the universe IS insane.  Look at the majority of artists, people who let their natural energy just be and flow out on its own.. they are considered by many to be quite quirky or even insane.  I think they're just closer to themselves.


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Re: true sanity [Re: zoomfan]
    #14318084 - 04/19/11 03:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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So it seems to me a good percentage of popular beliefs today would be considered by definition, insane.




The insane part of the belief IS the belief

insanity = beliefs

beliefs = insanity

why are you getting your clothes all dirty by mucking around with the fucking content?

Pointless.


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from as simple a thing as the belief in god to more complex things like the belief in certain aspects of quantum mechanics. the basis of my opinion is the idea that any belief which defies logic is insanity. i guess a good starting point would be to discuss your opinion of what sanity is. I am of the opinion that belief in anything which doesnt follow logic is insane. I think it is just as insane to believe in ghosts than to think the c.i.a is after you and even though it may seem harmless, it is far from it.

now taht ive re read that i should mention that the word belief itself implies that it defies logic so basically any belief is insane. anything which follows logic would be considered fact.




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Re: true sanity [Re: synapz]
    #14318135 - 04/19/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"we're all as mad as the man in the moon

who carries his heart in a brown paper bag"


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Re: true sanity [Re: zoomfan]
    #14319002 - 04/19/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So humans would be the only ones that can be insane then right? Because animals don't possess the capability to form complicated beliefs in my opinion. Animals definently aren't insane.
I have to disagree with this premises, because humans will never have perfect logic. Beliefs systems are constantly fluctuating based upon an individuals life experiences.
No one that I have ever met has beliefs that are completely based upon "logic".
There are likely scenarios and that is what people believe in.
What they can imagine and what they can accept is what they believe in.
If newton, Einstein or others... didn't believe in their insane beliefs that defied the known logic of their day, they wouldn't have gotten anywhere.
Insane beliefs become sane with experience and experimentation.
Well if I agreed with beliefs being insane then yes all humans are insane and in a way that is true.
Also if your theory would be correct the older a human gets the more insane it would become, because more beliefs are formed the longer one lives.
I guess it all depends on your definition of insanity.


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Re: true sanity [Re: zoomfan]
    #14319102 - 04/19/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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belief in certain aspects of quantum mechanics. the basis of my opinion is the idea that any belief which defies logic is insanity.



:facepalm:

You do know that those "certain aspects of quantum mechanics" have been not only proved mathematically, but verified experimentally, right? What is illogical about belief in something that has fulfilled all currently known standards for truth?

Also, if belief in something that defies logic is insane, then consider yourself insane for believing in existence. 'Cause either it came from nowhere, it came from itself, or it came from God, and all of those options lead to a most illogical infinite regression.


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Re: true sanity [Re: NetDiver]
    #14319141 - 04/19/11 06:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Animals definently aren't insane.




some are. There are diseases that cause dementia (for lack of a better term) in animals


and btw, my dog thinks he's a cat. He grew up around cats. He tries to purr, but does it by growling. He is more interested in male cats than female dogs. He gets hairballs from licking himself like the cats do.


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Re: true sanity [Re: the bizzle]
    #14325287 - 04/20/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"You do know that those "certain aspects of quantum mechanics" have been not only proved mathematically, but verified experimentally, right? What is illogical about belief in something that has fulfilled all currently known standards for truth?"

they may be proven mathematically but only as theories, in the hypothetical situation the math works. its also well known that some aspects of quantum theory do not fulfill current standards of truth.

"Also, if belief in something that defies logic is insane, then consider yourself insane for believing in existence. 'Cause either it came from nowhere, it came from itself, or it came from God, and all of those options lead to a most illogical infinite regression. "

that point is hardly even worth touching but i will anyway, i would only consider myself insane if i believed in any of those theories because clearly none of them could be proven to my knowledge. my point is believing you know how the world began is no better than believing in santa clause.


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Re: true sanity [Re: zoomfan]
    #14325420 - 04/20/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

synapz

" The insane part of the belief IS the belief

insanity = beliefs

beliefs = insanity

why are you getting your clothes all dirty by mucking around with the fucking content?

Pointless. "

i see what your getting at. its not pointless at all probably the most useful thing to think on philosophically, to define the line between reality and imagination is extremely important to society its the reason were not still eating people because we think they are sorcerers, but there are still tons of bad things happening because of human imagination. imaginations a great tool but it becomes dangerous when you trust it or act on it.


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Re: true sanity [Re: zoomfan]
    #14326989 - 04/21/11 09:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Believing in anything is no better than believing in Santa Claus, but in order to function in the world in which we find ourselves, we do assume some beliefs for the sake of convenience. Science gives us quite a lot of useful knowledge in this realm.

Quantum mechanics, for instance, is not just abstract and mathematical, it has very practical applications that are at use in your cell phone and many other commonly used technologies.


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Re: true sanity [Re: NetDiver]
    #14327284 - 04/21/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i know what your saying and its true in a way but what im trying to argue is that belief should be replaced with temporary acceptance with the knowledge that it will probably soon be proven wrong. the reason any idea stays the same for a long period of time is because people believe it to be the final truth, but there are very few things, comparatively, which will not soon be replaced with a better explanation. in my opinion this human characteristic is what is keeping scientific exploration from being a well oiled machine.

in order to function we have to go with the current model yes but theres a difference between accepting it for the moment and believing it as truth. in that difference is the difference between life and death for thousands of people even today.


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Re: true sanity [Re: zoomfan]
    #14327329 - 04/21/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

drifter that pic is from the cover of that dutch nondualist book isnt it? wicked pic.


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Re: true sanity [Re: zoomfan]
    #14327383 - 04/21/11 11:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's a lithograph by M.C. Escher called "Drawing Hands." Not surprised that it's the cover of a nondualist book though.


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Re: true sanity [Re: NetDiver]
    #14327401 - 04/21/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

oh right yeah its fitting for sure.


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