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Re: Oven drying [Re: Damion5050]
    #14312691 - 04/18/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

no they'll never reach high temps I have them in a toaster oven thats 140-150 on the inside (not the oven reading my own personal oven thermometer reading) with the door cracked open to allow the humidity to exit. They haven't turned any weird colors, no excessive bruising or browning.

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Re: Oven drying [Re: puff4200]
    #14312707 - 04/18/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Oven drying [Re: Damion5050]
    #14312914 - 04/18/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I had a whole shit load of mushies. I had cookie sheets sitting in front of or below fans all over my house. My parents called me and said that they were coming over that day for dinner.

I immediately filled my oven with as many cookie sheets as it would hold, left the door ajar, pointed a fan at it and waited about 15 minutes. I did this until all of my shrooms were dry.

I ended up with about a pound and a half of dried shrooms. I tested them the next day and found out that I had ruined a pound and a half of mushrooms. They had no effect whatsoever :feelsbadman:


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Re: Oven drying [Re: anonjon]
    #14313272 - 04/18/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm a little confused, if both an oven and a dehydrator use a low amount of heat why is the oven so bad? seem like as long as you have a method to remove the humidity in the oven all would be well




cuz lowest setting on the oven is 250 which is a lot higher than the max on the dehydrator which is usually around 150.

So as guy above noted, you can leave the oven door ajar and get some air goin thru there and you'll be golden.




YUP! Open door and my huge fan in front of it...work gr8!


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Re: Oven drying [Re: Perun]
    #14316451 - 04/19/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I split my stems down the middle and remove the caps when they are partially dried, then I sit them directly on my box fan. They are cracker dry in less than 2 days that way unless they are super huge then I have to split the stem in half twice. Fan works fine for me but it wont get them cracker dry unless you cut the stem in half no matter how small they are, they get a tough skin when the outside dries, I guess keeping it from releasing the inside moisture.


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Re: Oven drying [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14316483 - 04/19/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

This is what I mean about half assed advice Enigma. You come along after the good advice and say that you can get shrooms cracker dry with just a fan. Well maybe if you live in a very dry climate, but generally speaking, it's bad advice. If you half-assed dry your shrooms they will not keep long at all.


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Re: Oven drying [Re: anonjon]
    #14317272 - 04/19/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nobody asked what you thought anon, I stated that I split the stems down the middle after they are partially dry from fan and they finish drying to cracker dry the second day on the fan. I then check them one by one by snapping the stem at the top where it takes longest to dry and put them in a sealed container with food grade desiccant packs. I get my mush dry with a fan, it isn't the best choice, but it works.

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I split my stems down the middle and remove the caps when they are partially dried, then I sit them directly on my box fan. They are cracker dry in less than 2 days that way unless they are super huge then I have to split the stem in half twice. Fan works fine for me but it wont get them cracker dry unless you cut the stem in half no matter how small they are, they get a tough skin when the outside dries, I guess keeping it from releasing the inside moisture.



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This is what I mean about half assed advice Enigma. You come along after the good advice and say that you can get shrooms cracker dry with just a fan. Well maybe if you live in a very dry climate, but generally speaking, it's bad advice. If you half-assed dry your shrooms they will not keep long at all.





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Re: Oven drying [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14317392 - 04/19/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

BTW I have tried the oven on low, but when you crack the door and point a fan at it, the oven never gets to temp so the heating element just stays on and keeps getting hotter so I pulled them out before I ruined them and sat them on the fan to be dissected later, and they will be cracker dry in a few days.

I agree that a dehydrator is the best option, I just don't have one.

I find it kind of hard to believe that fanning them and then placing in desiccant chamber would dry the middle of the stems because of the skin that forms on the outside when the outside dries first. Wouldn't the desiccant have to draw the moisture from the inside through the dry part to absorb it? Don't know have never tried it, I might test one or two out with it to see if the desiccant dries the middle of my stems as good as cutting them in half and fanning.:super:


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Re: Oven drying [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14317423 - 04/19/11 01:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not harassing you so you can quit with your ridiculous threats to tell on me. :blowme:


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Re: Oven drying [Re: anonjon]
    #14317438 - 04/19/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Oven drying [Re: Perun]
    #14317742 - 04/19/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Oven drying [Re: Luger0815]
    #14318299 - 04/19/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I fan dried them for 24 hours then dried them in the toaster oven set at 150 with the door cracked open no discoloration occured on a couple of the big ones seemed to discolor just a bit but nothing horrible look the same as when I used damp-rid. I didn't get to sample them yet but they look like they always have so I'm gunna have to imagine they'll be alright I'll report back if theres any issues

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Re: Oven drying [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14318344 - 04/19/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm a little confused, if both an oven and a dehydrator use a low amount of heat why is the oven so bad? seem like as long as you have a method to remove the humidity in the oven all would be well




cuz lowest setting on the oven is 250 which is a lot higher than the max on the dehydrator which is usually around 150.





My oven and most in my area start the temp at 150°f.


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I had a whole shit load of mushies.

I immediately filled my oven with as many cookie sheets as it would hold,

I ended up with about a pound and a half of dried shrooms. I tested them the next day and found out that I had ruined a pound and a half of mushrooms. They had no effect whatsoever :feelsbadman:




I am curious if you had tested these before, were they MS?
It may be possible it was just bad genetics or "Set & Setting":justdontknow:

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I split my stems down the middle and remove the caps when they are partially dried, then I sit them directly on my box fan. They are cracker dry in less than 2 days that way unless they are super huge then I have to split the stem in half twice. Fan works fine for me but it wont get them cracker dry unless you cut the stem in half no matter how small they are, they get a tough skin when the outside dries, I guess keeping it from releasing the inside moisture.




I agree Great job and good advice 3N1gm4:super:
I used to dry with a fan as well but it does take time.




I also have tried other methods
like putting them in a nylon mesh paint strainer
in desiccant, I have even buried them in it...lol


I have never used a dehydrator for fruits yet...:shrug:

What worked for me the best was setting
my oven on the lowest setting which is 150°f.

What happens is the thermostat will kick on if it drops below 150°f



Downsides to oven drying have been expressed as:

Potency loss
blackening of the fruit body's

I remedy the blackening part like this
the cardboard absorbs the heat and
keeps the fruit that golden color
The foil deflects heat...



I use this to check the temps


here is what they looked like
after using my oven drying Tek
Nice and golden:grin:




A) I had 2 friends that took my oven dried...
person a was experienced and claimed to have high tolerance
person b had never "tri[[ed" before....

They each took 16 grams of my oven dried...I was not present and disagreed with the obvious mis-dosage

person a said he tripped for an hour and that was it
person b said he tripped "hard" for an hour and passed out and went to sleep

10 other friends said they were "awesome"
and had a great time normal potent trips reported all across the board....




heres a quote from another post that might help

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Smokin jesus titty cinnamon! you just opened up a whole can of worms here, many many many n00bs, novice, TC's and old hands alike have been using heat for years. I have read posts dating back to 10 years ago. The really really safe and proven drying temp is 95F which many cheap dehydrators have that setting which makes them cheap wich is a bonus for us.:grin:

there are a few different sides to this argument and regardless of the arguments about the sciance it is now widely accepted and confirmed that dehydrators are tits and especially at the 95f mark and all the way up to 145-150f'ish.

the other side to that is that having the fruit bodies exposed to air for the length of time it takes to air dry is a major concern to loss of potency, some people think its the oxidation over time or evaporation or whatever..but the point is I doubt you will find a post complaining about potency loss do to a dehydrator other than n00blets who have a bunk MS crop or messed up somewhere else down the line.


the open part of this whole thing is the question as to at what point in degrees f/c the
Psiloscybin is broken down as a result of the heat, does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? YES! but does it matter for practical use like drying shrooms, not really because dehydrators can be found for cheap and have been reported to be fine for years and years now.

So the conclusion is we need more studies on the melting points or break down of potency but for what we do here the matter is concidered closed by many many experienced cultivators as to is a dehydrator a good way to go without any noticable loss of potency. meaning nill or marginal.

:lol: and here we goooo....

:sunny:





Go to the hunting forum and most folks there swear by newspaper and a fan:shrug:

Go to MC and its all about the Dehydrator:shrug:

If I had the money to build one like in my sig I would
but for now i personally like the oven, I see nothing wrong with it..

Heres a post after I tested the fruits of my labor

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I have the biggest smile on my face right now bro...:grin:

I just ate some yummy noms..:chew:...:lol: I feel all glowey and fuzzy

Lm, I better take this to PM but I have lots to talk to you about, Especially the synchronicity of life
and just how wonderful it is, I am totally just kicking back and pondering the wonderful thing that is the shroomery and what it has become and what it has done for me and so many other people

you know man, were not just avatars or a sig,
your not just the Leopard in a box in the corner of my screen

Were real people out her doin it man, were doin the thing you know
We are on this big beautiful stage of life,
playing out our roles
trying to hold on to the part we play, stall just long enough to enjoy the sound of the crowd,
the smell in the air, the taste of life..
before the credits role, before its curtains and we have to bow out

but for that moment, for this moment, the moment we all share, as one, but pretend is ours

Will we live that moment for ourselves with avarice?
Or will we live with charitable hearts and lift each other up and forget our differences and remember......

Will we ever remember?....will we remember where we came from...or what we were
I am trying to so desperately to get back to where I was,

to where I was before the schism,before the ego before the schism and ego that was foisted upon us,
dividing me into parts....parts that I cannot seem to pick up fast enough to make the puzzle complete

I fear We will spend our days picking up the pieces to this puzzle, with only hopes, hopes that maybe someday just before they call us back...maybe we will see the truth.......

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:omgawesome::lmafo:

If that isnt the post of man trippin ballz then I dunno:grin:

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Hope something useful was gleaned from all of this.

FYI: the dung dealer over at Mycotopia has been oven drying
and running back to back tests for years
and way before anyone who has posted in this thread ever registered here..
were talking like ten years experience and tests....
his conclusion...150f is is fine and even above is just marginal potency loss

Marginal=Acceptable, not worth mentioning:super:

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Re: Oven drying [Re: Barakanaten]
    #14318383 - 04/19/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I should add that I leave the door to the oven all the way open
and just put the fan on the door and point it right at it:super:


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Re: Oven drying [Re: Barakanaten]
    #14318447 - 04/19/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Enigma :heart: Anonjon :getstoned:

anyway..

oxygen = bad :thumbdown:

heat is fine to a point, I personaly wouldnt go above F160*ish ever but my plug and play dehydrator runs at 130F +/-*5.:stoned:

drying quickly and completly is the key, I dont care how its achieved, store out/away of the light/oxygen for long term storage. :sun:


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Re: Oven drying [Re: 13shrooms]
    #14318491 - 04/19/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Enigma :heart: Anonjon :getstoned:

anyway..

oxygen = bad :thumbdown:

heat is fine to a point, I personaly wouldnt go above F160*ish ever but my plug and play dehydrator runs at 130F +/-*5.:stoned:

drying quickly and completly is the key, I dont care how its achieved, store out/away of the light/oxygen for long term storage. :sun:




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Re: Oven drying [Re: 13shrooms]
    #14318603 - 04/19/11 05:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Enigma :heart: Anonjon :getstoned:

anyway..

oxygen = bad :thumbdown:

heat is fine to a point, I personaly wouldnt go above F160*ish ever but my plug and play dehydrator runs at 130F +/-*5.:stoned:

drying quickly and completly is the key, I dont care how its achieved, store out/away of the light/oxygen for long term storage. :sun:



:facepalm3: LOL @ anonjon

About to :getstoned:

So are you saying that it is bad that it takes me two days to dry them or just long term exposure to oxygen?


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Re: Oven drying [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14318622 - 04/19/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

long term exposure is bad. :sun:


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Re: Oven drying [Re: anonjon]
    #14318839 - 04/19/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm not harassing you so you can quit with your ridiculous threats to tell on me.




Once again I am trying to be nice and ask you to stay on the topic and you send rude off topic comments. I don't have to tell on you, you answer every post you see of mine with a rude harassing remark and eventually admin will notice what you are doing and you will get booted just like you did last time for flaming. I am done with it though, you can act like a child if you want, I will just ignore all the stupidity and stick to the topics even if you make rude comments and give untrue information about my posts being wrong.



Normal, room-temperature air can extract a considerable amount of water from the fruits. By placing them in front of a fan you increase the air circulation and help speed up the drying process. This is the same principle as drying your laundry. It dries a lot faster on a windy day than on a day with no wind.

Fan drying is also a faster process that drying with desiccant so you end up speeding the process up considerably.
For those of you lucky enough to live in climates with dry enough air (Relative humidity or RH below 40%) you might not even need to use desiccant as you may be able to achieve cracker dry mushrooms with just fan drying. If after 48 hours of drying in front of a fan the mushrooms are not cracker dry you will need to put them into a container with desiccant.

TIP: Even if your mushrooms appear to be cracker dry after fan drying there is often some residual humidity inside them and they will soften up a bit after a few days in storage (not good). It is a good idea to either store the fruits with a bit of desiccant or pop them in a desiccant chamber after fan drying for a few days just to make sure you have got every little bit of water out of the fruits. http://www.shroomery.org/10615/Desiccants-and-drying



This may be the case for whole mushrooms but the cap always dries first, if you wait for the cap to dry(12-24 hours), cut the stem long ways in half and remove it from the cap, and then place it all back on the box fan with the cut part of the stems facing down if possible.(A wire cage, like a window screen folded to keep them from falling into fan is a good idea unless you like fishing out stems from your box fan.)

This method of drying with a raised box fan blowing up works allot faster with a heat source under the fan, but it is taking two days instead of one now that I am not running my heat with the fan over the vent. Using this method with no heat takes me about 48 hours. It is always a good idea to store your shrooms with a food grade desiccant pack even if they are cracker dry.


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Re: Oven drying [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14318863 - 04/19/11 06:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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