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Making My Very First Tincture.......
#14318061 - 04/19/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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So I had a misc. oz laying around that consisted of..... south Americans thai pe mutants few reg pe
I had a friend pick me up some everclear Decided to make tincture Cant wait to see what happens..... I mixed in my ground powderish mush with the everclear just above the mushies I have let it sit for 24 hrs I have used cheese cloth and strained it 2 times I put goo back in jar and put more everclear in jar Will let sit another 24 hrs Meantime I have first extraction gettin blown by a fan
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: jdolphinbabe] 1
#14318089 - 04/19/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Does tincture work with mushrooms?
Everytime I've taken mushrooms w/ alcohol I got very little outta them.
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we will see  gonna pass out doses and get opinions on it to some friends
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: jdolphinbabe]
#14318154 - 04/19/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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cool, let me know how it turns out.
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Nice! In the name of SCIENCE! You must do it, and let us know!
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Mycowlogist]
#14318298 - 04/19/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I shall!!!Any Ideas on what would be good to put it on? Whats your thoughts on sugar cubes?
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: jdolphinbabe]
#14318320 - 04/19/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've made a lot of "tinctures", and I'll tell you something true. It works alot better if you heat it to 150f in a double-boiler. If you find it doesn't work as good as you had hoped, next time do 3 everclear extractions, 10ml per gram. do 1/2 hour then 1 hour and then 2 hours. combine and evaporate down to a reasonable amount(still in the double boiler.) It works great!
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: SomeGuy]
#14318356 - 04/19/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am on my second extraction i do not know how much i used for ever clear but i am gonna double boil this one and do another extraction with the amount u recomend its been almost 2 hours now.... Should i turn off my fan and add the first extraction to the other two?
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: jdolphinbabe]
#14318693 - 04/19/11 05:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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it's whatever you wanna do. Without heat, I never managed to extract much of anything, but there may be a little something in there. I use a meat thermometer right in the everclear, don't let it get too hot! After 3 alcahol extractions, do a water extraction. Psolocybin doesn't dissolve in alcahol and so you want to do the water to pick up any thats left. I evaporate the water down seperately until it is a minimal amount, and then add it to the everclesr. That will get you some GREAT tincture
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: SomeGuy]
#14318765 - 04/19/11 05:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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just extracted the 3rd will do the water extraction next theres alot letf in the jar lol getting the double boiler to 150 is difficult on electric stove and i am also using a meat gauge too
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: jdolphinbabe]
#14319659 - 04/19/11 08:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I imagine you'll get good results. I save all my pins and aborts, and use those. Just fyi, here's what I do; 30g mush add 300ml everclear, 150f extract 3 times= 900 ml(just fyi, it contains 45ml water) IIevaporate it down to 450 ml(405ml alc./45ml waater)then I evaporate my 300ml water extraction (extracted 30 min.) to 30ml+-. combine, for480ml=- and add 420 ml pure honey. Then I have 1 gram per 30 ml(1 ounce) 2-3- shots is amazing! p.s. this makes 80 proof
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: SomeGuy]
#14320705 - 04/19/11 11:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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paducahovoids said: I imagine you'll get good results. I save all my pins and aborts, and use those. Just fyi, here's what I do; 30g mush add 300ml everclear, 150f extract 3 times= 900 ml(just fyi, it contains 45ml water) IIevaporate it down to 450 ml(405ml alc./45ml waater)then I evaporate my 300ml water extraction (extracted 30 min.) to 30ml+-. combine, for480ml=- and add 420 ml pure honey. Then I have 1 gram per 30 ml(1 ounce) 2-3- shots is amazing! p.s. this makes 80 proof


why don't you slow down & make a tek, so we can all understand that mumbo-jumbo...
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I will do that, as soon as I have a batch ready. If you look at many psilocin extraction/ethyl alcahol, you'll see basically a lot of very similar stuff. Maybe I'll make a little tek next week
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: SomeGuy]
#14323600 - 04/20/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I got good results shaking the stuff around in a jar for a week. But it's better with hot extraction, preferably with lab glass.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Doc_T]
#14323654 - 04/20/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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shaking it around in water or grain alcohol?
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: anonjon]
#14323662 - 04/20/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Everclear. I don't think plain water would work, but maybe. Think a bit of acidity would help?
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Doc_T]
#14323815 - 04/20/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, cranberry and lemon juice are acids and they seem to dissolve the actives pretty good.
but how stable is it?
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Doc_T]
#14323897 - 04/20/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You might get some help on the chem. & pharm. board.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: healing]
#14324125 - 04/20/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've really studied this idea, and it seems that heated water WOULD work to extract both psilocin and psilocybin. (tea works). But psilocybin does not dissolve in alc., so everclear extracts psilocin well, but psilocybin poorly. So if you wanns get all the actives, you either have to use water, or alc. and water. The third option is to attempt to de-phosphorlate the psilocybin with an acid. The problem is how do you know how much to use? I've tried it with 10x the estimated amount(of psilcybin)of emergen-c. It worked, but I had hoped for better results
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: SomeGuy]
#14324146 - 04/20/11 05:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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paducahovoids said: (tea works).
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: SomeGuy]
#14324220 - 04/20/11 05:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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paducahovoids said: I've really studied this idea,
And I've really done it. Alcohol works great, it gets all the magic, the tincture lasts months or longer in the freezer.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: Doc_T]
#14335213 - 04/22/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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so as seen in the first pics i didnt use much everclear the first two extractions but on the 3rd i used 280 ml i added all the 3 extractions and evaperated down to 3 and half oz of liquid then did a water extraction and double boiled it too combined the two and got about 4 oz of tincture
so i gave someone about 3 drops not much effect gave them more and i didnt see them again now this was at a 420 gathering so no telling where he went lol
gave the vial to friend and he gave about 3/4 of an inch filled dropper to a friend whom claims he tripped balls ( my stsupid friend had his friend convinced he just ate a quarter of mush in tincture form so the power o suggestion may have had something to do with it)
But tommorow he is gonna give some very experienced trippers diff doses and we will have a more accurate doseing idea
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: jdolphinbabe]
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: OneU]
#14335442 - 04/22/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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OneU said: so i gave someone about 3 drops not much effect gave them more and i didnt see them again now this was at a 420 gathering so no telling where he went lol
gave the vial to friend and he gave about 3/4 of an inch filled dropper to a friend whom claims he tripped balls ( my stsupid friend had his friend convinced he just ate a quarter of mush in tincture form so the power o suggestion may have had something to do with it)
But tommorow he is gonna give some very experienced trippers diff doses and we will have a more accurate doseing idea
YOU should ALWAYS be your own first guinea pig. Dont make others try what you have not, its part of the code. you know.... The Code. This understanding can be applied to all things.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: Omnicracker]
#14335468 - 04/22/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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So correct me if im wrong, but doesnt one of the active alkaloids break down at room temp or when oxidized? That would mean that boiling water with the mushrooms in it would break down one of those chemicals and you would not get both, you would only get one. I make tinctures with a lot of different herbs and spices and mushrooms (homeopathic kinds of things not just for fun). And the key to tincs is knowing what you wanna get and knowing its chemical properties so you don't degrade it during the process...that is why some tincs are wicked expensive because they have to do 2,3, or more extractions (combos of water and alc and oils) and then simmer it down to even more of a concentrate.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: crp32008]
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crp32008 said: So correct me if im wrong, but doesnt one of the active alkaloids break down at room temp or when oxidized?
you're wrong
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: anonjon]
#14335630 - 04/22/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am not trying my own due to breast feeding
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: anonjon]
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crp32008 said: So correct me if im wrong, but doesnt one of the active alkaloids break down at room temp or when oxidized?
you're wrong
Unfortunately you didnt correct me at all. All you did was offer a smart ass comment. Didnt offer a solution or substantiate why I was wrong. So why don't you find the answer for me, and the OP so we can be enlightened by your wealth of knowledge.
Yes, alcohol is fine (like doc already stated), it boils at a lower temp and contains less amount of oxygen which causes less degredation. Acidic extraction is what you would use for this. Not water unless like doc mentioned you add some salt for acidity.
Still what I said has not been refuted by anything logic or data by you. A real extraction with these two alkaloids would be ideal to do in a vaccum (if you're going for crystals or max potency). I am not saying you cant do it with water, I am saying you will only get only one of the active alkoloids (psilocybin) which is all you get dried anyway. It has nothing to do with potency of the one the alkaloid left. However psilocin breaks down under heat almost instantly.
FACT: Psilocybin (this will last longer under prolonged heat) and psilocin break down under consistant heat (which is how you cause the water to boil) and even faster with exposure to O2 (which is what water is partly made up of and what is very present during a water boil or extraction).
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: Omnicracker]
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OneU said: so i gave someone about 3 drops not much effect gave them more and i didnt see them again now this was at a 420 gathering so no telling where he went lol
gave the vial to friend and he gave about 3/4 of an inch filled dropper to a friend whom claims he tripped balls ( my stsupid friend had his friend convinced he just ate a quarter of mush in tincture form so the power o suggestion may have had something to do with it)
But tommorow he is gonna give some very experienced trippers diff doses and we will have a more accurate doseing idea
YOU should ALWAYS be your own first guinea pig. Dont make others try what you have not, its part of the code. you know.... The Code. This understanding can be applied to all things.
Hey man you quoted the wrong person. I didn't say that
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: OneU]
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: BlindBat]
#14336159 - 04/22/11 11:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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BlindBat said: This isn't new "science", it's not even new to the forum.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5521766#5521766
I don't know where anyone "studied" saying that psilocybin isn't soluble in alcohol.
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RogerRabbit said: Actually, pf's extraction tek with everclear rocks. My only change is to stop short of crystals for best storage life. Several years ago, I reduced a qp of dry fruits down to a shotglass worth of everclear, and it's been sitting ever since. Recently, I sampled it by squirting 1cc into a glass of orange juice. Trust me, after three years, it works. RR
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RogerRabbit said: You can buy 190 proof everclear over the counter in Oregon, and several other states. It's not on the liquor store shelves, but it's in the back. They'll get it on request. Just tell them it's for extracting herbs or mushrooms like shiitake and reishi into tinctures for nutritional supplements or body oil. Lots of little old ladies in the PNW use it for that very thing.
Once you soak the material in the everclear, filter very well. I use a metal spaghetti strainer first to get the chunks out, then run it through coffee filters twice to get the smaller stuff, then run it through surgical masks(not dust masks, surgical) twice to get it cleared up. The extraction will be yellow when clean, almost like urine, and clear enough to see through a quart jar of it. Once you get the extraction clear, put it in a double boiler and boil down until you only have a shotglass or less left. Store in a tight container in the freezer. 1/2 pint jars work great for storage. RR
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RogerRabbit said: Shelf life is reputed to be many years. I think you can get everclear in south dakota. I'll bet the 160 vodka would work. I've heard of guys using bacardi 151. RR
who said it wasn't soluble in alcohol? I probably missed something haha
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: crp32008]
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crp32008 said: However psilocin breaks down under heat almost instantly.
Psilocin is irrelevant to the discussion, since extraction involves dry mushrooms.
Also, you're wrong.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: SomeGuy]
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Doc_T said:
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crp32008 said: However psilocin breaks down under heat almost instantly.
Psilocin is irrelevant to the discussion, since extraction involves dry mushrooms.
Also, you're wrong.
Ah so now I see where anon gets his horrible advice on how to respond to people.
Guess you didn't see this...
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paducahovoids said: I've really studied this idea, and it seems that heated water WOULD work to extract both psilocin and psilocybin. (tea works). But psilocybin does not dissolve in alc., so everclear extracts psilocin well, but psilocybin poorly. So if you wanns get all the actives, you either have to use water, or alc. and water. The third option is to attempt to de-phosphorlate the psilocybin with an acid. The problem is how do you know how much to use? I've tried it with 10x the estimated amount(of psilcybin)of emergen-c. It worked, but I had hoped for better results
Stop with the bullshit answers of "you're wrong" and actually start explaining stuff to people. That's what this board is for. If you just wanna tell people they are wrong, and not teach them something then you're here for the wrong reasons. If I am wrong YOU NEED TO TELL ME WHY. All saying someone is wrong does is...well...nothing.
Learn how to communicate effectively and maybe I would take what you have to say seriously...You're wrong, good bye.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: OneU]
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Hey man you quoted the wrong person. I didn't say that 
sorry, that was for the OP.
CRP - You dont ever boil the alcohol or water, if thats what you're saying.
However, A good idea if you are planning on using water for an extraction, boil more water that you will need for about 15-20 minutes then let it cool down to 150 and start your extraction. The boiling process should remove much the free radical O2 from the water, that should REALLY help increase the shelf life and potency.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: jdolphinbabe]
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jdolphinbabe said: I am not trying my own due to breast feeding
Well get out of Your ADR, tell your person you have to wait a day LOL
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: crp32008]
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crp32008 said: Stop with the bullshit answers of "you're wrong" and actually start explaining stuff to people.
You said to correct you if you were wrong. Well everything you posted is WRONG.
The psilocybin does NOT degrade when you boil it. Alcohol extraction DOES work.
WTF else do you want? Need me to come to your fucking house and show you?
You're the asshole. Not me.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: anonjon]
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Yea Anojon get you ass over to my house and show me, Waiting at the airport now, do you need any frequent flyer miles?
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: crp32008]
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: anonjon]
#14338312 - 04/23/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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crp32008 said: Stop with the bullshit answers of "you're wrong" and actually start explaining stuff to people.
You said to correct you if you were wrong. Well everything you posted is WRONG.
The psilocybin does NOT degrade when you boil it. Alcohol extraction DOES work.
WTF else do you want? Need me to come to your fucking house and show you?
You're the asshole. Not me.
So show me where I can find the correct information? Correcting someone doesn't mean telling them they are wrong. It means showing them what is right. You have failed to do that so far.
I said psilocin will degrade. Not psilocybin. I never said alcohol doesnt work...I use it for most of my tincs. Show me where I said alco will not work? Come to my house and I can show you the cabinet with all my tincs in it...meditate on that for a bit.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Doc_T]
#14338329 - 04/23/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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paducahovoids said: I've really studied this idea,
And I've really done it. Alcohol works great, it gets all the magic, the tincture lasts months or longer in the freezer.
This isn't really addressed at anyone in particular, and I'm sorry for hijacking the thread, but can the magic stuff be precipitated out of the alcohol solution? I think it would be awesome to eat magic blue crystals.
P.S.: I'm not sorry for hijacking this thread anymore, it's just a bunch of people being stupid and mean to each other.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: crp32008]
#14338360 - 04/23/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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crp32008 said: Stop with the bullshit answers of "you're wrong" and actually start explaining stuff to people.
You said to correct you if you were wrong. Well everything you posted is WRONG.
The psilocybin does NOT degrade when you boil it. Alcohol extraction DOES work.
WTF else do you want? Need me to come to your fucking house and show you?
You're the asshole. Not me.
So show me where I can find the correct information? Correcting someone doesn't mean telling them they are wrong. It means showing them what is right. You have failed to do that so far.
I said psilocin will degrade. Not psilocybin. I never said alcohol doesnt work...I use it for most of my tincs. Show me where I said alco will not work? Come to my house and I can show you the cabinet with all my tincs in it...meditate on that for a bit.
so, can we all come, or just anonjon?
this is getting a little silly....
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Fungal growth]
#14338375 - 04/23/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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crp32008 said: Stop with the bullshit answers of "you're wrong" and actually start explaining stuff to people.
You said to correct you if you were wrong. Well everything you posted is WRONG.
The psilocybin does NOT degrade when you boil it. Alcohol extraction DOES work.
WTF else do you want? Need me to come to your fucking house and show you?
You're the asshole. Not me.
So show me where I can find the correct information? Correcting someone doesn't mean telling them they are wrong. It means showing them what is right. You have failed to do that so far.
I said psilocin will degrade. Not psilocybin. I never said alcohol doesnt work...I use it for most of my tincs. Show me where I said alco will not work? Come to my house and I can show you the cabinet with all my tincs in it...meditate on that for a bit.
so, can we all come, or just anonjon?
this is getting a little silly.... 
come on over guys! hahaha I bet we could have a fucking awesome shroomery party if we rented like a holiday in confrence room lol
@ Healer...short answer is yes. You can precip out crystals. If you want a tek for it, I can write ya up what I do when I crystalize them. If you have a vacc evaporator you can do a fresh extraction and get both alks. If not then you can still get -bin crystals.
Its more of either a novelty thing or a medicinal thing though. I use it in capsules so I dont have to take anxiety meds. In small amounts they act as SSRI's by being a competitor in the brain synapses. They are antagonists as well as RI's (though the academic community can't come to an agreement on whether or not it is by definition an SSRI or simply a competitor for the SSRI spot in the brain synapses.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: healing]
#14338388 - 04/23/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You faggots need to stop arguing and explain how to produce pure psilocybin crystals.
Like the ones in this picture:

Supposedly extracted by boiling everclear and filtering multiple times. Freezing involved as well.
Multiple teks on this site:
http://deoxy.org/wiki/Mushrooms/Alkaloid_Extraction
Come on guys, we have a common goal here.
Pure psilocybin crystals.
Now how do we make this happen?
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: crp32008]
#14338390 - 04/23/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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And yes, this is getting silly, sorry for my part guys, anon and doc, we just have to respectfully disagree, my bad for playing a roll in the bs
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: crp32008]
#14338411 - 04/23/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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crp32008 said: And yes, this is getting silly, sorry for my part guys, anon and doc, we just have to respectfully disagree, my bad for playing a roll in the bs
You guys can have make-up sex later, now someone please write up a foolproof tek on how to extract pure psilocybin so retards like me can make this shit. I have a date tonight with 6th dimensional elf beings, and I don't want to be late.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: chopstick]
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chopstick said: You faggots need to stop arguing and explain how to produce pure psilocybin crystals.
Like the ones in this picture:

Supposedly extracted by boiling everclear and filtering multiple times. Freezing involved as well.
Multiple teks on this site:
http://deoxy.org/wiki/Mushrooms/Alkaloid_Extraction
Come on guys, we have a common goal here.
Pure psilocybin crystals.
Now how do we make this happen?
I almost stopped caring once I saw that the crystals aren't blue
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: healing]
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I almost stopped caring once I saw that the crystals aren't blue 
Who cares? Apparently you can smoke them and it provides an experience more intense and profound than DMT. I must attempt this. Even if it's not true, I can say I vaporized pure psilocybin. That would be fucking awesome.
Now lets do this!!
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: chopstick]
#14338564 - 04/23/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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chopstick said: Apparently you can smoke them and it provides an experience more intense and profound than DMT.
Where did you find out about that?
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: healing]
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This is all confuses me. If I were to make tincture my old fashioned way (marijuana style), I would just drop the doses in a brown bottle of glycerin and let sit in the sun for a few days. Before everyone starts yelling at me, wouldn't boiling degrade the final product? For marijuana the degrading temp is high enough that you don't have to worry about cooking, but for mushrooms I have heard they degrade at a much lower temp. I will give my food grade glycerin a shot, it is becoming the popular substitute for alcohol here in Colorado at the dispensaries due to better results and MUCH better taste. I'm sure someone has tried this, so let me know!
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: sethb15]
#14338642 - 04/23/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Old, outdated, misinformation. Psilocybin is pretty well heat stable at normal cooking temps.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: chopstick]
#14338659 - 04/23/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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chopstick said: You faggots need to stop arguing and explain how to produce pure psilocybin crystals.
If I was a faggot, I could answer this by saying "Recrystalization, and/or chromatography".
Of course, if you weren't such a faggot, you could UTSE.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Doc_T]
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Doc_T said: Old, outdated, misinformation. Psilocybin is pretty well heat stable at normal cooking temps.
Not sure what this is supposed to mean. People are getting lazy and should at least be helping other people out instead of just shooting down info. Temperatures above 180f will break down the active ingredients. I think messing with heat around 150* is pushing it! You did not address the glycerin at all, I would love to know why this is not a viable option? In the future Doc, try to inform people instead of denouncing ideas with no explanation as to why.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: sethb15]
#14338707 - 04/23/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Old, outdated, misinformation. Psilocybin is pretty well heat stable at normal cooking temps.
Not sure what this is supposed to mean. People are getting lazy and should at least be helping other people out instead of just shooting down info. Temperatures above 180f will break down the active ingredients. I think messing with heat around 150* is pushing it! You did not address the glycerin at all, I would love to know why this is not a viable option? In the future Doc, try to inform people instead of denouncing ideas with no explanation as to why.
Doc_T's post was concise and correct. You can safely boil (212 Fahrenheit) shrooms to produce tea without a loss of potency.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: sethb15]
#14338726 - 04/23/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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sethb15 said: Temperatures above 180f will break down the active ingredients.
If you can post a link to a reliable source that states this, I will send you a deluxe prize package.
If you cannot, then STFU about it. OK?
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: healing]
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And yet still no response to the glycerin? Glycerin is more commonly used for tincture than alcohol in my area and I have come to find it does wonders in extraction. Obviously there is a difference between extracting THC and psilocybin, but my question was, why would it not work? And in my handy mycology text book along with online sources, I have found that temperatures above 180 do start to degrade psilocybin levels. Everyone in this post is saying it doesn't effect potency levels? Are you trying to tell me they have tested potency of fruit right before and after extraction? That would be truly the only test to prove this. A friendly discussion would be nice! We are all here for the same reason right? To discuss Earth's magical gift, the Mushroom?
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: sethb15]
#14338766 - 04/23/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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sethb15 said: And yet still no response to the glycerin? Glycerin is more commonly used for tincture than alcohol in my area and I have come to find it does wonders in extraction. Obviously there is a difference between extracting THC and psilocybin, but my question was, why would it not work? And in my handy mycology text book along with online sources, I have found that temperatures above 180 do start to degrade psilocybin levels. Everyone in this post is saying it doesn't effect potency levels? Are you trying to tell me they have tested potency of fruit right before and after extraction? That would be truly the only test to prove this. A friendly discussion would be nice! We are all here for the same reason right? To discuss Earth's magical gift, the Mushroom?
Look at the date of first publication in your text book.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: sethb15]
#14338769 - 04/23/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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sethb15 said: I have found that temperatures above 180 do start to degrade psilocybin levels.
Are you using GC/MS? Or wet analysis?
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Doc_T]
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sethb15 said: Temperatures above 180f will break down the active ingredients.
If you can post a link to a reliable source that states this, I will send you a deluxe prize package.
If you cannot, then STFU about it. OK?
I am looking for a peer reviewed source on line. But as we all (should) know no online source, including this forum, is 100% reliable. I'm scanning through LexisNexis (academic and peer reviewed articles) as we type. No need for hostility Doc, just trying to have a discussion.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: healing]
#14338786 - 04/23/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I will get a photocopy of the page out of myQuote:
healing said:
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sethb15 said: And yet still no response to the glycerin? Glycerin is more commonly used for tincture than alcohol in my area and I have come to find it does wonders in extraction. Obviously there is a difference between extracting THC and psilocybin, but my question was, why would it not work? And in my handy mycology text book along with online sources, I have found that temperatures above 180 do start to degrade psilocybin levels. Everyone in this post is saying it doesn't effect potency levels? Are you trying to tell me they have tested potency of fruit right before and after extraction? That would be truly the only test to prove this. A friendly discussion would be nice! We are all here for the same reason right? To discuss Earth's magical gift, the Mushroom?
Look at the date of first publication in your text book.
2008. Slightly dated but harldy? I will grab a photocopy of the page in the library on Monday.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: sethb15]
#14338830 - 04/23/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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sethb15 said: No need for hostility Doc, just trying to have a discussion.
It's been discussed a brazillion times. Post reliable info. If not, you are posting guesses.
I can tell you from personal experience that you can use boiling ethanol without harming the magic. Lots of people make tea, or bake pizza. RR grills his mushrooms over a fire.
Nobody, including you, has ever posted any link to any reliable source that shows any damage to the molecule at any temp less than the melting point of the substance. So that link is what this thread needs. Either that or to be locked for being badly off topic in Mush Cult.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Doc_T]
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wow was gone for a day at a gathering and this fucking thread got outta hand.... Thanks all
please lock this fucking nonsense
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: jdolphinbabe]
#14342708 - 04/24/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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One more question b4 its locked? Can you get the majic out of the mushrooms using, Co2 extraction or butaine.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: 2jew4u]
#14347928 - 04/25/11 08:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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p.s. I wasn't bullshittin' about psilocybin NOT dissolving in alcahol. The merck manual; http://www.erowid.org/plants/mus hrooms/mushrooms_chemistry.shtml
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: SomeGuy]
#14348101 - 04/25/11 09:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Then why would it work so well?
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: anonjon]
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there's not much psilocybin in a cube nsis to begin with, so without it, you prob. ain't losing much. Anticdotally(without actually quote-able facts)i'd say you lose, at the most 2mg per gram, (compared to the 6-10mg of psilocin per gram)if you dont get the "cybin" out, so it still gets you high. I'm speaking strictly about cubes here
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: SomeGuy]
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: BlindBat]
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The one thing you quoted is 16 years old, and of course we are talking about ethanol. Are you going to drink a methanol "ticture"? only once. I can link 10 more analysis that lean my way, some from the same authors. Let me go ahead and get some"facts"...I'll be back
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: SomeGuy]
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: BlindBat]
#14349069 - 04/25/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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 you tards have resorted to pointing out the others spelling errors as evidence of your own genius. please, stop this now.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: BlindBat]
#14349085 - 04/25/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Guys, I've made ethanol tincture of mushrooms. Worked great. Hard to gauge potency, but it didn't seem to lose any- a gram in equals a gram-equivalent out.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: BlindBat]
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Methanol would work ok too, and you certainly could drink a few mils of it without harm (all alcohols are toxic, including ethanol). But there's no need- ethanol extraction works great.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: BlindBat]
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difficult sol. in ethanol means it's difficult to solute in boiling ethanol. Obviously, if they say 120 parts methanol, it's much less soluable than that in ethanol. 200 parts or better, so for all usefull purposes, not soluble. Read english much? I just wanted to say some smart-ass shit
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: SomeGuy]
#14349182 - 04/25/11 01:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ethanol works great. I don't know what they consider 'difficult', but an hour in the Sohxlet was what I used.
("A few mils" of methanol. Not shots of it. But yeah, I wouldn't either.)
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Doc_T]
#14350036 - 04/25/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tested an ethanol extract last night.
Soaked in everclear for a week. Filtered than evapp'd down to 1gm to 1ml.
5ml=good time. Worked great for me.
Thanks for the tips Doc. Did you purchase your Sohxlet new or used? Any suggestions on the best place to look for one?
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: DrRockso]
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Thank your the information. It was a fun read
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: OneU]
#14357075 - 04/26/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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hilarious thread guys, thanks for the tidbits of info scattered amongst the juvenile alpha posturing... Anyways, my dad could beat up your dads anyday
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: psyeye]
#14424953 - 05/09/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm making my very first tincture now too and I wanted to revive this fun thread.
So I'm thinking of doing it like this, putting a bowl of everclear on top of a saucepan on the stove. Mix in the finely crushed mushroom while bringing the alcohol to a slow boil.
Good, bad, ugly? Perhaps I should soak it first, then apply heat? I need the tincture to be ready for travel by Thurs morning. It's now Monday evening.
PS: My dad can beat up your dad.
PPS: I cooked up fresh cubes in a wok over a gas burner at temps that surely exceeded 212 by a good bit. I was blown away at the potency. It was unexpectedly good for some big ole amazons and unexpectedly tasty too btw and easier to digest.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: anonjon]
#14425313 - 05/09/11 03:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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people here think I don't know shit, but the people who have tried it know that I make it work really good I'd just go straight with the heat on. Once I put 5 grams of ovoids in 5 shots of everclear and left it sit for a week. All 5 shots didn't even get me high. It's the heat that does it IMO
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: SomeGuy]
#14425335 - 05/09/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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boil the alcohol or just low simmer? how long?
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: anonjon]
#14425444 - 05/09/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I doubt you will ever get it to boil It just evaporates faster. I put a meat thermometer in the water and shoot for 150f. I try not to get it past 160f, just because I'm scared to ruin it. I triple extract it. I have some in the fridge right now thats 3 grams of pins/aborts per shot. I tried some of the last batch, it was 2 grams per shot and it blew my face off my tv looked like a lava lamp. I watched the clock and started tripping in 13 minutes flat
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: SomeGuy]
#14425784 - 05/09/11 05:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It sure does evap fast. I kept turning the burner down until it's on the lowest setting now and I've already gone thru quite a bit of everclear. The solution looks pretty murky, lookin good to me so far.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: anonjon]
#14425817 - 05/09/11 05:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: schmoopy]
#14425945 - 05/09/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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this is redoooooooooonculus to read and full of
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And loads of useful info.
I poured my bowl o everclear and mush thru a pasta strainer into a coffee filter. Put the mush back into the bowl and added more everclear for a second extraction.
Not even gonna need a fan, gonna use the stovetop to evap it off.
This is easier than I imagined it for some reason.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: anonjon]
#14426436 - 05/09/11 07:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just be sure to be DAMN CAREFUL with evaporating alcohol.
When you get almost done, add enough fresh alc to bring it back to 1 mL per 1 gram you put in for easy dosing.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Doc_T]
#14426466 - 05/09/11 07:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you're concerned about losing too much alcohol, it's not hard to make one of those makeshift reflux condenser type things with the inverted pan and ice.. If you're interested let me know and I can elaborate.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Jeerix]
#14426479 - 05/09/11 07:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don't bother trying to condense it this time, alcohol is fairly cheap. Next time maybe plan for solvent recovery.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Doc_T]
#14426504 - 05/09/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah def will be interested for future ref.
I don't understand why i'm being so careful. careful of what? not letting the vapors explode? I got no open flames and the burner is on it's lowest setting and it's in a bowl suspended in a pot of water.
Now i've got about a cup of alcohol containing an ounce's worth of extract. I don't understand what you mean by bringing it back up. Why? I was gonna evap this off to about a shotglass worth.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: SomeGuy]
#14426523 - 05/09/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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paducahovoids said: people here think I don't know shit, but the people who have tried it know that I make it work really good I'd just go straight with the heat on. Once I put 5 grams of ovoids in 5 shots of everclear and left it sit for a week. All 5 shots didn't even get me high. It's the heat that does it IMO
Y not just make tea with hot water then??
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: anonjon]
#14426530 - 05/09/11 07:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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anonjon said: I got no open flames

Yes you do. And then there's pilot lights.
As for re-adjusting the volume, I didn't read the whole thread. If you have a dose in a shot, that's fine.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Doc_T]
#14426546 - 05/09/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm anti natural gas. I go all electric. I wasn't sure that's what you were warning me about.
I was gonna evap the whole thing, an ounce of dry amazon down to a shot.
You think that's too strong to dose accurately? I was thinking it could be metered out with an eye dropper.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: anonjon]
#14426569 - 05/09/11 08:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh, that's right about right. 28g in, about 28 mL out. Dose with a syringe- 1 mL = one trip level.
No pilot lights? No bic lighters? No static sparks? No fans with brushes in motors? Alcohol is dangerous stuff.
Post a pic of your fire extinguisher with a sign to prove it's real. Right now. Yes, I've been drinking, but still do it.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Doc_T]
#14426598 - 05/09/11 08:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hehe I won't, but I appreciate your attitude. I do have a fire extinguisher. I don't have pilot lights as I don't have gas service at all. There is an electric fan two rooms away that I'm not too concerned about. I'm smoking weed in an adjacent room 30 feet from the stove, but I'll stop immediately on your concerns.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Doc_T]
#14426603 - 05/09/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sweet so can you elaborate on your technique in detail? I've read this thread but it got hectic and many disagreements. Seems like you and Doc got an agreement.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Doc_T]
#14426614 - 05/09/11 08:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'll step in to say this... Not really here to discuss if it works or not... Ive done my research..
With a 1/5th of everclear, we soaked for a few hours and filtered/double boiled the 1/5th down to a "airplane bottle's" worth... The is still there, in very measurable dosages, just like mentioned above by doc so much per ml is how we did ours... 
Now i'd have to get my everclear out of state, as they only sell that watered down shit here now...
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: total]
#14426638 - 05/09/11 08:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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30 ft is ok if there's a window or door open in between. I'd still go outside.
Edit- the whole process is far safer with lab glass, you can extract and then reclaim without much danger.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: OneU]
#14426725 - 05/09/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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OneU said: Sweet so can you elaborate on your technique in detail? I've read this thread but it got hectic and many disagreements. Seems like you and Doc got an agreement.

I think the agreement is that I'll probably not kill myself tonite, and I should probably look into getting some glassware for future.
My 'technique' was to put everclear and mushrooms in a bowl suspended in a saucepan on the stove and then filtered in a pasta strainer and coffee filter.
Doc's method is to let it sit for a week.
I'm pretty confident this brew is gonna be potent, but who knows. There are some links to actual teks earlier in this thread.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: anonjon]
#14427035 - 05/09/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Gonna have to try making my very own tincture pretty soon...this thread is awesome lulz thanks pplz
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: anonjon]
#14427422 - 05/09/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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anonjon said: Doc's method is to let it sit for a week.
Haven't done it that way in years, I use an extractor.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Doc_T]
#14427520 - 05/09/11 11:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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oh i missed that somewhere.
what equipment are you talking bout exactly?
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: anonjon]
#14427588 - 05/09/11 11:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Something like this?
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: DrRockso]
#14428550 - 05/10/11 07:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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^^^ that. And then reconfigure with a vigreux column and recover solvent with fractional distillation.
It's overkill for making mushroom tincture, but does a very nice job quickly.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Doc_T]
#14429917 - 05/10/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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What about for the hobbyist on a budget?
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Doc_T]
#14429993 - 05/10/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i want one.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Fungal growth]
#14430837 - 05/10/11 05:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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500ml Soxhlet Extraction Apparatus 2 Flasks on Ebay. $94.95+ shipping. Is that a good price?
What else would you extract using this?
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: DrRockso]
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DrRockso said: 500ml Soxhlet Extraction Apparatus 2 Flasks on Ebay. $94.95+ shipping. Is that a good price?
What else would you extract using this?
you could extract thc.. or anything in a solvent really! this is very interesting! anonjon did ya try it yet?!
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: wow]
#14431096 - 05/10/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nope, but it looks killer. It's amber colored and very clear. At the bottom is either sediment or possibly precipitate? Maybe both?
I will know after this weekend what damage it causes.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: DrRockso]
#14432540 - 05/10/11 11:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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DrRockso said: 500ml Soxhlet Extraction Apparatus 2 Flasks on Ebay. $94.95+ shipping. Is that a good price?
What else would you extract using this?
Anything you want. Anything.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Doc_T]
#14433226 - 05/11/11 02:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nice. I better get started.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: anonjon]
#14433641 - 05/11/11 07:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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wow said:
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DrRockso said: 500ml Soxhlet Extraction Apparatus 2 Flasks on Ebay. $94.95+ shipping. Is that a good price?
What else would you extract using this?
you could extract thc..
Makes a harsh oil because it extracts everything. So you don't end up with something like you expect on the first run. You can further purify to THC or use it for baking, etc. But it's not the oil you want to smoke.
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anonjon said: What about for the hobbyist on a budget?
Like anything else, lab glass is not cheap, but then once you have it you have it and can use for anything you want. The stands and connectors are the expensive part, watch out.
We are pretty far off topic, I'm going to let this thread go. Alcohol extraction works, bottom line.
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