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Doc_T
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: SomeGuy]
#14324220 - 04/20/11 05:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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paducahovoids said: I've really studied this idea,
And I've really done it. Alcohol works great, it gets all the magic, the tincture lasts months or longer in the freezer.
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jdolphinbabe
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: Doc_T]
#14335213 - 04/22/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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so as seen in the first pics i didnt use much everclear the first two extractions but on the 3rd i used 280 ml i added all the 3 extractions and evaperated down to 3 and half oz of liquid then did a water extraction and double boiled it too combined the two and got about 4 oz of tincture
so i gave someone about 3 drops not much effect gave them more and i didnt see them again now this was at a 420 gathering so no telling where he went lol
gave the vial to friend and he gave about 3/4 of an inch filled dropper to a friend whom claims he tripped balls ( my stsupid friend had his friend convinced he just ate a quarter of mush in tincture form so the power o suggestion may have had something to do with it)
But tommorow he is gonna give some very experienced trippers diff doses and we will have a more accurate doseing idea
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OneU

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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: jdolphinbabe]
#14335374 - 04/22/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Omnicracker
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: OneU]
#14335442 - 04/22/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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OneU said: so i gave someone about 3 drops not much effect gave them more and i didnt see them again now this was at a 420 gathering so no telling where he went lol
gave the vial to friend and he gave about 3/4 of an inch filled dropper to a friend whom claims he tripped balls ( my stsupid friend had his friend convinced he just ate a quarter of mush in tincture form so the power o suggestion may have had something to do with it)
But tommorow he is gonna give some very experienced trippers diff doses and we will have a more accurate doseing idea
YOU should ALWAYS be your own first guinea pig. Dont make others try what you have not, its part of the code. you know.... The Code. This understanding can be applied to all things.
Edited by Omnicracker (04/22/11 09:12 PM)
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crp32008
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: Omnicracker]
#14335468 - 04/22/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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So correct me if im wrong, but doesnt one of the active alkaloids break down at room temp or when oxidized? That would mean that boiling water with the mushrooms in it would break down one of those chemicals and you would not get both, you would only get one. I make tinctures with a lot of different herbs and spices and mushrooms (homeopathic kinds of things not just for fun). And the key to tincs is knowing what you wanna get and knowing its chemical properties so you don't degrade it during the process...that is why some tincs are wicked expensive because they have to do 2,3, or more extractions (combos of water and alc and oils) and then simmer it down to even more of a concentrate.
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anonjon
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: crp32008]
#14335544 - 04/22/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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crp32008 said: So correct me if im wrong, but doesnt one of the active alkaloids break down at room temp or when oxidized?
you're wrong
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jdolphinbabe
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: anonjon]
#14335630 - 04/22/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am not trying my own due to breast feeding
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crp32008
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: anonjon]
#14335645 - 04/22/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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anonjon said:
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crp32008 said: So correct me if im wrong, but doesnt one of the active alkaloids break down at room temp or when oxidized?
you're wrong
Unfortunately you didnt correct me at all. All you did was offer a smart ass comment. Didnt offer a solution or substantiate why I was wrong. So why don't you find the answer for me, and the OP so we can be enlightened by your wealth of knowledge.
Yes, alcohol is fine (like doc already stated), it boils at a lower temp and contains less amount of oxygen which causes less degredation. Acidic extraction is what you would use for this. Not water unless like doc mentioned you add some salt for acidity.
Still what I said has not been refuted by anything logic or data by you. A real extraction with these two alkaloids would be ideal to do in a vaccum (if you're going for crystals or max potency). I am not saying you cant do it with water, I am saying you will only get only one of the active alkoloids (psilocybin) which is all you get dried anyway. It has nothing to do with potency of the one the alkaloid left. However psilocin breaks down under heat almost instantly.
FACT: Psilocybin (this will last longer under prolonged heat) and psilocin break down under consistant heat (which is how you cause the water to boil) and even faster with exposure to O2 (which is what water is partly made up of and what is very present during a water boil or extraction).
Malarky: "You're Wrong"
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Edited by crp32008 (04/22/11 10:26 PM)
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OneU

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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: Omnicracker]
#14336004 - 04/22/11 11:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Omnicracker said:
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OneU said: so i gave someone about 3 drops not much effect gave them more and i didnt see them again now this was at a 420 gathering so no telling where he went lol
gave the vial to friend and he gave about 3/4 of an inch filled dropper to a friend whom claims he tripped balls ( my stsupid friend had his friend convinced he just ate a quarter of mush in tincture form so the power o suggestion may have had something to do with it)
But tommorow he is gonna give some very experienced trippers diff doses and we will have a more accurate doseing idea
YOU should ALWAYS be your own first guinea pig. Dont make others try what you have not, its part of the code. you know.... The Code. This understanding can be applied to all things.
Hey man you quoted the wrong person. I didn't say that
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BlindBat
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: OneU]
#14336144 - 04/22/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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crp32008
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: BlindBat]
#14336159 - 04/22/11 11:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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BlindBat said: This isn't new "science", it's not even new to the forum.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5521766#5521766
I don't know where anyone "studied" saying that psilocybin isn't soluble in alcohol.
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RogerRabbit said: Actually, pf's extraction tek with everclear rocks. My only change is to stop short of crystals for best storage life. Several years ago, I reduced a qp of dry fruits down to a shotglass worth of everclear, and it's been sitting ever since. Recently, I sampled it by squirting 1cc into a glass of orange juice. Trust me, after three years, it works. RR
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RogerRabbit said: You can buy 190 proof everclear over the counter in Oregon, and several other states. It's not on the liquor store shelves, but it's in the back. They'll get it on request. Just tell them it's for extracting herbs or mushrooms like shiitake and reishi into tinctures for nutritional supplements or body oil. Lots of little old ladies in the PNW use it for that very thing.
Once you soak the material in the everclear, filter very well. I use a metal spaghetti strainer first to get the chunks out, then run it through coffee filters twice to get the smaller stuff, then run it through surgical masks(not dust masks, surgical) twice to get it cleared up. The extraction will be yellow when clean, almost like urine, and clear enough to see through a quart jar of it. Once you get the extraction clear, put it in a double boiler and boil down until you only have a shotglass or less left. Store in a tight container in the freezer. 1/2 pint jars work great for storage. RR
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RogerRabbit said: Shelf life is reputed to be many years. I think you can get everclear in south dakota. I'll bet the 160 vodka would work. I've heard of guys using bacardi 151. RR
who said it wasn't soluble in alcohol? I probably missed something haha
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Doc_T
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: crp32008]
#14336168 - 04/22/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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crp32008 said: However psilocin breaks down under heat almost instantly.
Psilocin is irrelevant to the discussion, since extraction involves dry mushrooms.
Also, you're wrong.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: SomeGuy]
#14336208 - 04/22/11 11:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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crp32008 said: However psilocin breaks down under heat almost instantly.
Psilocin is irrelevant to the discussion, since extraction involves dry mushrooms.
Also, you're wrong.
Ah so now I see where anon gets his horrible advice on how to respond to people.
Guess you didn't see this...
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paducahovoids said: I've really studied this idea, and it seems that heated water WOULD work to extract both psilocin and psilocybin. (tea works). But psilocybin does not dissolve in alc., so everclear extracts psilocin well, but psilocybin poorly. So if you wanns get all the actives, you either have to use water, or alc. and water. The third option is to attempt to de-phosphorlate the psilocybin with an acid. The problem is how do you know how much to use? I've tried it with 10x the estimated amount(of psilcybin)of emergen-c. It worked, but I had hoped for better results
Stop with the bullshit answers of "you're wrong" and actually start explaining stuff to people. That's what this board is for. If you just wanna tell people they are wrong, and not teach them something then you're here for the wrong reasons. If I am wrong YOU NEED TO TELL ME WHY. All saying someone is wrong does is...well...nothing.
Learn how to communicate effectively and maybe I would take what you have to say seriously...You're wrong, good bye.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: OneU]
#14337264 - 04/23/11 07:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey man you quoted the wrong person. I didn't say that 
sorry, that was for the OP.
CRP - You dont ever boil the alcohol or water, if thats what you're saying.
However, A good idea if you are planning on using water for an extraction, boil more water that you will need for about 15-20 minutes then let it cool down to 150 and start your extraction. The boiling process should remove much the free radical O2 from the water, that should REALLY help increase the shelf life and potency.
Edited by Omnicracker (04/23/11 10:24 AM)
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: jdolphinbabe]
#14337398 - 04/23/11 08:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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jdolphinbabe said: I am not trying my own due to breast feeding
Well get out of Your ADR, tell your person you have to wait a day LOL
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anonjon
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: crp32008]
#14337420 - 04/23/11 08:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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crp32008 said: Stop with the bullshit answers of "you're wrong" and actually start explaining stuff to people.
You said to correct you if you were wrong. Well everything you posted is WRONG.
The psilocybin does NOT degrade when you boil it. Alcohol extraction DOES work.
WTF else do you want? Need me to come to your fucking house and show you?
You're the asshole. Not me.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: anonjon]
#14337434 - 04/23/11 08:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yea Anojon get you ass over to my house and show me, Waiting at the airport now, do you need any frequent flyer miles?
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BlindBat
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture.......UPDATE [Re: crp32008]
#14338252 - 04/23/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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crp32008
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: anonjon]
#14338312 - 04/23/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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anonjon said:
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crp32008 said: Stop with the bullshit answers of "you're wrong" and actually start explaining stuff to people.
You said to correct you if you were wrong. Well everything you posted is WRONG.
The psilocybin does NOT degrade when you boil it. Alcohol extraction DOES work.
WTF else do you want? Need me to come to your fucking house and show you?
You're the asshole. Not me.
So show me where I can find the correct information? Correcting someone doesn't mean telling them they are wrong. It means showing them what is right. You have failed to do that so far.
I said psilocin will degrade. Not psilocybin. I never said alcohol doesnt work...I use it for most of my tincs. Show me where I said alco will not work? Come to my house and I can show you the cabinet with all my tincs in it...meditate on that for a bit.
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Re: Making My Very First Tincture....... [Re: Doc_T]
#14338329 - 04/23/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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paducahovoids said: I've really studied this idea,
And I've really done it. Alcohol works great, it gets all the magic, the tincture lasts months or longer in the freezer.
This isn't really addressed at anyone in particular, and I'm sorry for hijacking the thread, but can the magic stuff be precipitated out of the alcohol solution? I think it would be awesome to eat magic blue crystals.
P.S.: I'm not sorry for hijacking this thread anymore, it's just a bunch of people being stupid and mean to each other.
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