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Perun
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Ratios...well latly i use only coir cuz i moved and there is no h poo around here,but when i use poo,i use 60%poo,20coir,10 verm,10 used coffee grounds(never had a contam...i really pasteurize it...GOOD )and of course 5% of overall volume is gypsum! But thats just me...and works gr8!
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Fear.Loathing
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Re: Layering Horse-poo [Re: Perun]
#14318902 - 04/19/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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How essential is the gypsum and coffee grinds?? just wondering
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Perun
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coffee is not that important...it helps lil bit,but not as much as many here are claming! Coffee will increase yields and speed but just... and coffee does lead to higher contamination rates, and is hard to get right if you are inexperienced!
Gypsum...i think that is the best additve for every grower...it will increase yield, speed, health, helps fight contams and also is a PH stabilizer...and its very inexpensive,so...its perfect!
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Re: Layering Horse-poo [Re: Perun]
#14320021 - 04/19/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Alright I gotcha  So any specific type/kind of gypsum I need? Pellets, etc?
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abica
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Gypsum- some folks go to a brewing supply store for it. Others smash up a piece of drywall, but you need to make sure it's plain-jane drywall with no antifungal agents.
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Fear.Loathing said: Ok so keep in container... I feel like having that layer of just dung (no verm/straw/spawn) on top would help protect from contams tho.. almost like a casing layer?
This is correct. I prefer layering, or actually a combination of layering and mixing.
Alternate several layers of substrate and spawn. I've found this works faster and better than thorough mixing, but either way works. The important thing is to have no exposed grains, which are much more prone to contamination if exposed on top.
I agree with those above about flipping the substrate. Bad idea, as is the pillow case. It makes a horrible mess. Small amounts of manure or coir, etc., can be pasteurized without making a mess in jars, as shown in the horse manure tek video. RR
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abica
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Huh. This "top layer of substrate" business sounds pretty handy, eh Loathing?
RogerRabbit, could you comment on the effect of pasteurizing horse manure in a pillowcase method compared to bringing the manure up to field capacity, then pasteurizing it? I'm curious about the water-soluble nutrients one would lose in the former (essentially poo tea) and retain in the latter. It's much cleaner and easier to do bring it up to capacity, then pasteurize, but I worry about not quite getting the job done that way.
Cool shirt in the video preview, BTW!
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Re: Layering Horse-poo [Re: abica]
#14326728 - 04/21/11 08:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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abica said: Huh. This "top layer of substrate" business sounds pretty handy, eh Loathing?
I agree Definitely going to give it a go on my coming grow. Also I was really convinced I was going to use the pillowcase method but I highly value RR's advice and will give the jar trick a try just throwem into a pressure cooker? Doesn't specify in the preview...
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Perun
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U dont want to sterilize your manure,but pasteurize,so u break your manure,add verm,gypsum,bring it to field capacity,load jars and put them in your PC(with no lid) or some kind of a large kettle,fill with water until jars are 2/3 submerged,put on the stove and bring the temp in side your jars to 160F(use meat thermometer) and keep at that temp for 1 hr! That is it...
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RogerRabbit
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Fear.Loathing said: just throwem into a pressure cooker? Doesn't specify in the preview...
Well, there is a full release on DVD you know. . . .
The Mrs and I put our life savings into making that 2 DVD video set, so it won't break any of you to actually buy it and get the whole enchilada. 
Most of you waste at least $49 at the bar every Saturday night. RR
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I don't think brew supply stores carry gypsum. Try hardware stores, garden stores, etc.
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RogerRabbit said:
Well, there is a full release on DVD you know. . . .
The Mrs and I put our life savings into making that 2 DVD video set, so it won't break any of you to actually buy it and get the whole enchilada. 
Most of you waste at least $49 at the bar every Saturday night. RR
I know where my next 50 bucks is going! Also, I experimented with hpoo in my rye berries (sterilized in jars) and had pretty cool results, they colonized faster than thier kin without poo and one ended up growing an OI that was (as my roommate put it) as big as your forearm...
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Fear.Loathing said: just throwem into a pressure cooker? Doesn't specify in the preview...
Well, there is a full release on DVD you know. . . .
The Mrs and I put our life savings into making that 2 DVD video set, so it won't break any of you to actually buy it and get the whole enchilada. 
Most of you waste at least $49 at the bar every Saturday night. RR
I understand that...dont mean to sound like i'm trying to get all your knowledge from you for free so i don't have to buy your stuff...tbh I'm a poor college student whose choosing to get into this hobby rather than spending all my extra money (not much haha) on drugs themselves. I find this more fulfilling than just buying shrooms from some guy for 40 a slice...Definitely will invest in your dvds when I've got the cash to do it, I know it would be well worth the investment with the experience you obviously have on the subject 
the helps much appreciated RR
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abica
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Trippy_Smurf- look for "Brewer's Gypsum." Not that its necessary, but some folks like it.
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