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Subbedhunter420
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Thasnk you alan, That was simply out of ignorance i think that i said that. It's been quite a while and quite a road ive been on since my glory days with you guys, (auweia, you, Curecat, Coon *rip*) etc. Ive forgotten a lot.
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Ieponumos
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14301761 - 04/16/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Subbedhunter420 said: Looks like subbs to me, (Pan. cinctulus). The spores evel look it so... have u looked at the pleurocystidia etc??
No members of Panaeolus have pleurocystidia, except maybe for P. fimicola which has strange brown pleurocystidia. I am not sure if it is supposed to though.
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Looks like the spores are guttulate, which points in the direction of Panaeolus olivaceus. Were the spores compltely smooth or slightly roughened? The roughness is fine and will be on the edge of what your microscope can do, you will need to close the aperture on the condenser, use the 100x oil immersion objective, set up kohler illumination properly and adjust the fine focus just right to see it.
That was under the oil immersion objective with the cheap stuff they included with the model. I want to get some Cargille, but I be broke. And about 3/4 to 4/5 of the spores have those roughened feature. Also, about the Kohler illumination, were you talking to Subbedhunter?
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14301782 - 04/16/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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With the roughened spores they must be P. olivaceus. Check the cystidia on the gill edges. The kohler illumination comment was directed at you. Not sure if your scope supports it though.
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Ieponumos
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Alan Rockefeller said: With the roughened spores they must be P. olivaceus. Check the cystidia on the gill edges. The kohler illumination comment was directed at you. Not sure if your scope supports it though.
From what I've been reading, a field diaphragm is required for Kohler illumination. Mine has a dial to reduce the intensity of the light on my light source, but not to adjust the aperture of its field. Would this work for Kohler?
EDIT: What about making a field diaphram?
Edited by Ieponumos (04/17/11 09:41 AM)
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Ieponumos
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14306009 - 04/17/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just went out there and found nothing. At least I didn't have to deal with any bulls this time. There are some straggling Conocybe fruiting and the Bolbitius are fruiting in great numbers. The Agrocybe soroia from not too long ago are still buttons, when more mature, I'll try again.
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Ieponumos
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14313236 - 04/18/11 05:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Now for some real Pans ...

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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14313436 - 04/18/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice pics! I'm jealous.  EDIT: Is that Peyote in your sig?
Edited by DeliriumTrigger (04/18/11 07:36 PM)
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Ieponumos
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More from today
This was a first that I had seen such pronounced striations on the pileus. It's probably due to the lack of moisture.


I'm still working on getting exposure down to second nature. As you can see from some of them, I still have some learning to do.
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Ieponumos
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14319197 - 04/19/11 07:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I lowered the contrast and brightness some so you can see the texture of the pileus better.
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UK Explorer
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14320595 - 04/19/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is a very interesting thread. Keep up the good work
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Ieponumos
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Well, I don't think I'm going out this morning ... We gots the rain going on.
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Subbedhunter420
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14327857 - 04/21/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is that gona be good for your situation you think?
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Ieponumos
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Subbedhunter420 said: Is that gona be good for your situation you think?
A little bit


 I saw about 10 total today and picked three. In the process of picking more I destroyed them in field. So their spores are still there.
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That's about how big that pin was.
Edited by Ieponumos (04/21/11 04:45 PM)
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lsatrap
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14332693 - 04/22/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've been keeping up with this thread and I'm still not clear. Is this Panaeolus olivaceus for sure?
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Ieponumos
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: lsatrap]
#14332775 - 04/22/11 10:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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lsatrap said: I've been keeping up with this thread and I'm still not clear. Is this Panaeolus olivaceus for sure?
Here's the deal: so far, the samples are waiting in Alan's mailbox. In 6 days, the package will be returned to my place thanks to the confirmation package my father purchased when he took it to the post office before work. From the pics I can take and the quality of my microsope objective/illumination makes it difficult to get high contrast, resolution bearing pic, so it's hard for me to say for sure. The spores look roughened from the crappy micrographs I took.
Also, I've been trying and failing at taking gill samples. I could have sworn there was a really good thread on this in advanced mycology, but I'm having difficulty pulling it back up.
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lsatrap
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14333188 - 04/22/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well I sure hope it turns out to be. That would be such a cool find.
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Ieponumos
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: lsatrap]
#14339866 - 04/23/11 06:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Edited by Ieponumos (04/23/11 09:11 PM)
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Ieponumos
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14342369 - 04/24/11 07:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Update

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lsatrap
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14343590 - 04/24/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey What are those wispy mushrooms in bottom left of pic called? I find them nearly every time I go on my cube hunts.
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Ieponumos
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: lsatrap]
#14343618 - 04/24/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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lsatrap said: Hey What are those wispy mushrooms in bottom left of pic called? I find them nearly every time I go on my cube hunts.
Coprinoid; most likely a Coprinopsis.
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