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Pinning Paranoia
    #14313075 - 04/18/11 04:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Iv decided to get back into monotubs and have a question about time till pins form once exposed to fruiting conditions.

My first monotub which I did a while back had recieved slow growing grains from spores, unconsolidated grains that is, and we only gave it 10 days after spawning to fruiting conditions. Needless to say it didnt produce too much as it wasn't even fully colonized when exposed to fc. Back then I was much more of a novice than I am now; not to mention the monotub, colonization, and consolidation end goes on at my friends so I have to trust him on that part. All I have is legal spores:awedance:

Anyway, this time around I used 5 quart jars of B+ that came from GLC that was tested and turned out legit. They fully colonized between 11-13 days and consolidated around a week before spawning; the tub was prepared with D50/50's coir tek(including wrapping in a garbage bag which I have recently read to be outdated in lieu of wrapping the lid connection with saran wrap and only having heavily stuffed poly in the holes). and given 16 days before it was put to fruiting conditions. Its five days later and my friend informs me that no pins have formed yet; the monotub is on a 12/12 light cycle with loosely poly stuffed in the top and bottom holes with the exception of one hole on the bottom which had the poly completely removed. There is also a fan up there just to circulate air.

Now there are two reasons for paranoia:

1. that first mono I mentioned, well without telling me he just left it in his place once it stopped producing. Apparently it was covered in what he believes to be trich; he threw it out about a month ago never having opened the lid or unstuffing the poly after contamination. Should he have that one hole on the bottom open with a threat like that.

2. Should it be pinning by now, Im new to monos as I said and have read about them usually pinning after three days or so. I know there are alot of threads out there on this but I was hoping for some expert advice on this specific grow situation:tinfoil:


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Re: Pinning Paranoia [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14313242 - 04/18/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Once its 100 percent colonised it should be fine against the contaminants, the best monotub results ive ever had were with no polyfil at all and regular fanning and misting, also try putting some crinkled wax paper on the surface and replace it whenever it gets soggy, you need high humidity at the surface for primordia formation and the wax paper does that as well as letting air underneath.

It should be pretty close to pinning, you should get at least a flush if it got to 100 percent colonisation without contamination, it will do it when its ready and pretty well never when you want it to.


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Re: Pinning Paranoia [Re: STR80180]
    #14315323 - 04/19/11 01:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Fan and mist eh? Iv always heard of monotubs being set and forget; I can tell my dude to go ahead and do that. The main thing is that we get pins; whenever they form its cloning time:clone:


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Re: Pinning Paranoia [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14315343 - 04/19/11 01:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I just did my first tub. Everything went along perfect but I think I put it into fruiting too soon. However, I have a shitload of pins growin along the side so i took the brick out and threw it in my fc.
They appeared after what seemed like a week into fruiting.
But its all turnin out ok. Got tons of em that are going to be ready to harvest tomarrow:wink:
More are comin and the top is finally pinnin lol.
But I would reccommend fanning and misting regardless


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Re: Pinning Paranoia [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14315567 - 04/19/11 03:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah you can set and forget monotubs but you can't have to much FAE either it's a trade off if you wanna let more FAE in you will get more evaporation and have to mist it to keep moisture and humidity up.


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Re: Pinning Paranoia [Re: STR80180]
    #14315604 - 04/19/11 03:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Mist then fan for evaporation as a pinning trigger? Sounds good; thanks Im always so worried about these procedures before having completed them successfully at least once. 5 shrooms for all:shroompick::shroompick::shroompick::shroompick::shroompick: speaking of which, why aren't there more shroom grow related smileys. Colonizing jars, glove boxes bursting into flames, inoculations, grain to grain, monos, casings, terrariums, pf tek, pressure cooking, agar dishes; all those animations would make things so much more interesting


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Re: Pinning Paranoia [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14315732 - 04/19/11 05:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You can mist fan tubs with good results, but then u can also get good results without having all that maintenance. Instead of worrying about misting, drench it once a day. Instead of worrying about fanning, get some air circulation going in the room. Nothing direct, just a steady circulation.

I went out of town for 3 days so I drenched and then set the humidifiers for 50 percent. I always have a small fan circulating. I came back to big flushes having done no maintenance that whole time. Usually I don't use the humidifiers at all.

Neway I think misting/fanning routines are generally more appropriate for cakes than larger tubs.


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Re: Pinning Paranoia [Re: anonjon]
    #14316727 - 04/19/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What do you mean by drench once a day(mist heavily/pour a cup on it)? What about pooling and such?


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Re: Pinning Paranoia [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14316952 - 04/19/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

heavy misting, sorry should have specified.

I do pour water in between flushes.


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Re: Pinning Paranoia [Re: anonjon]
    #14318440 - 04/19/11 04:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You do this everyday or just when it looks dry or the Rh is down? Do you fan immediately afterward? Stop when pins form?

In between flushes you pour regular water on the tub instead of dunking and it works for you? Sounds easy, how much water?


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Re: Pinning Paranoia [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14319309 - 04/19/11 07:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Watering is an art. You get a feel for it. You don't need to water it much at all in the beginning of the flush, more in the middle and end. Ideally you'll nail down a schedule like once a day, but it just depends on how you regulate evaporation. There's differing setups. I don't ever fan anything personally. That's what the electric fan is there for. But I only do tubs; not cakes.

And I do get lazy with dunking and just pour a good amount of water on the sub. No exact amount because I then also drain it by pouring out the excess from the corner of the tub. I been meaning to install half inch rubber stoppers as drain plugs to simplify that a bit.

What you don't want is to have to perform maintenance on them multiple times a day.


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Re: Pinning Paranoia [Re: anonjon]
    #14319707 - 04/19/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah you get a feel for it, but definately mist and then fan, you want evaporation off the surface And you get that by giving it a good fan after you mist, you will get a feel for when the subs moist and dry after your first one, watch your hygrometer but fluctuations in RH are normal, just do your best to keep them at about the right levels for the different stages of mycelial growth but dont loose sleep if you have to go away for a day and the RH drops off it will recover and the mushrooms want to procreate. Monotubs are pretty good either way, as they were intended as the set and forget method but IMHO I think if you put a little more into it you can get a little more out of them and I think you learn more about the mushroom life cycle.

Good luck with it all bro I'd like to hear how it all works out for you


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