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The taboo of psi and the empirical argument.
    #14296269 - 04/15/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hey guys :laugh:
I found this video and I'm wondering what you guys have to share about it.


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http://psionslair.tk/index.php/psi-research-articles/8-research-articles.html


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Re: The taboo of psi and the empirical argument. [Re: sickofit]
    #14296293 - 04/15/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My initial view on that would be tl;dw.

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Re: The taboo of psi and the empirical argument. [Re: Aser]
    #14296369 - 04/15/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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My initial view on that would be tl;dw.



Well I guess I didn't say anything about the quality of the opinion :P


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Re: The taboo of psi and the empirical argument. [Re: sickofit]
    #14296375 - 04/15/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I posted that so I could come back later if I got bored. I left that detail out for my own cheap amusement.

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Re: The taboo of psi and the empirical argument. [Re: Aser]
    #14296392 - 04/15/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I saw your humor and had to give some of mine <3


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Re: The taboo of psi and the empirical argument. [Re: sickofit]
    #14297392 - 04/15/11 06:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The link is broken dude!

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Re: The taboo of psi and the empirical argument. [Re: teknix]
    #14297443 - 04/15/11 07:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The video is simply not able to be embedded by the user who uploaded its request. Try this link
The articles are fine


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Re: The taboo of psi and the empirical argument. [Re: sickofit]
    #14303529 - 04/16/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Brilliant guy, great lecture. Thanks for posting.


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Re: The taboo of psi and the empirical argument. [Re: The Whale]
    #14303561 - 04/16/11 09:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yay a real response :laugh:


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Re: The taboo of psi and the empirical argument. [Re: sickofit]
    #14304095 - 04/17/11 12:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

saving for later. :hmm:


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Re: The taboo of psi and the empirical argument. [Re: sickofit]
    #14304160 - 04/17/11 12:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I appreciate the video, and regret that I've never kept up with parapsychological work. I was taught by Dr. Bob Brier, who was a student of, and co-publisher with J.B. Rhine at Duke. Bob was also a world-class Egyptologist (as well as my philosophy professor), who became famous over his production of the first mummy in 2000 years, and probably felt the academic taboos on parapsychology. Personally, I have experienced half a dozen classic telepathic events, which of course I cannot prove, but which I will document in my book. I've also had a few precognitive dreams in childhood, and one unforgettable OOBE. I am amused by the scientific method being utilized to establish the veracity of transcendental events in the rational part of the intellect. In a sense, it is like having an intellectual understanding of an emotion! Hardly the true grasp of an emotion, an intellectual understanding is lacking in the extreme. The multitudes of humans, scientists included, tend to reject a phenomenological report of an experience if they do not have a model that is capable of containing that phenomenon. A materialistic monist, who equates mind with brain, an epiphenomenon of neural processes (like a kidney that produces urine), just does not have the cognitive scaffolding that is sufficiently sturdy to support such heavy implications in the direction of Non-Dualism, Idealism, Transcendentalism. I too began my intellectual development as a scientific materialist.


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Re: The taboo of psi and the empirical argument. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #14304218 - 04/17/11 12:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've been practicing macroscopic psychokinesis for some time now, well, honestly I've been smoking a lot of pot and haven't been on it in a while, but I'm %100 cretin with time and dedication that if one practice, than it can be done more and more on demand. I choose moving shit with my intentions just for simplicity of what gets results and what doesn't and wokring with TECHNIQUE.
I started with psipog.net when I was much younger but over time and talking to people, reading more and more, and using the scientific method. I have come a long way and learned more and more about critical thinking, both psi related and real world related. In reflection to my pursuit of understanding for those who care to have read that. You [anyone] with practice can and more than likely experience an empirical psi phenomena. I would no longer recommend psipog for obvious reasons.
http://psionslair.tk/index.php/psi-research-articles/8-research-articles/55-improving-psychokinesis-performance-theoretical-and-methodological-notes.htm


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Re: The taboo of psi and the empirical argument. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #14304227 - 04/17/11 12:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I too began my intellectual as a scientific materialist.




Intellectualism, I think you mean.

And I agree, I think a lot of us begin at that level.

Strict materialism is a stepping stone and a lot of people understand it is a model to be transcended due to its explanatory limitations.


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Re: The taboo of psi and the empirical argument. [Re: The Whale]
    #14304239 - 04/17/11 12:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ah, see I learn something new every conversation.
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Re: The taboo of psi and the empirical argument. [Re: The Whale]
    #14304995 - 04/17/11 07:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Actually, I neglected to add a word. A friend came by and I got distracted. Corrected, thanks.


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Re: The taboo of psi and the empirical argument. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #14309381 - 04/17/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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A materialistic monist, who equates mind with brain, an epiphenomenon of neural processes (like a kidney that produces urine), just does not have the cognitive scaffolding that is sufficiently sturdy to support such heavy implications in the direction of Non-Dualism, Idealism, Transcendentalism. I too began my intellectual development as a scientific materialist.



Couldn't disagree more. Dualism is not necessary to adequately explain experiences like that. There are plenty of other explanations available, like dream, mental illness, etc. And even if none of those explanations sufficed, monism would still work, as long as the 'substance' was experience, or qualia as it's usually called (a monist wouldn't distinguish between qualia and matter either).


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Re: The taboo of psi and the empirical argument. [Re: NetDiver]
    #14312730 - 04/18/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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A materialistic monist, who equates mind with brain, an epiphenomenon of neural processes (like a kidney that produces urine), just does not have the cognitive scaffolding that is sufficiently sturdy to support such heavy implications in the direction of Non-Dualism, Idealism, Transcendentalism. I too began my intellectual development as a scientific materialist.



Couldn't disagree more. Dualism is not necessary to adequately explain experiences like that. There are plenty of other explanations available, like dream, mental illness, etc. And even if none of those explanations sufficed, monism would still work, as long as the 'substance' was experience, or qualia as it's usually called (a monist wouldn't distinguish between qualia and matter either).




I have no idea how you mean dream or mental illness in this context, so I don't understand on what ground you are disagreeing, or, for that matter, what exactly you are disagreeing with! The materialist has an incomplete understanding because he is a reductionist to physical, mechanical processes. Whose definition of qualia are you basing your opinion on?


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Re: The taboo of psi and the empirical argument. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #14312909 - 04/18/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I would volunteer for experiments like that! Let them check my brainwaves while I'm channeling chi. They would have to see something!

Anyone have the doctors e-mail?

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Re: The taboo of psi and the empirical argument. [Re: sickofit]
    #14318695 - 04/19/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Just watched it thank you for sharing!! The presentation was very well documented and while exhaustive it proves a very clear point!! We need some more open minded well trained individuals from several different fields to study these kind of ideas...

Have not read the article links yet tho so I will add more after I read...

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Hey guys :laugh:
I found this video and I'm wondering what you guys have to share about it.


I also have a bunch of links that I would like to gather opinions from:
http://psionslair.tk/index.php/telepathy-articles.html
http://psionslair.co.cc/pdf/movingmindmatter.pdf
http://psionslair.tk/index.php/psi-research-articles/8-research-articles.html





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Personally, I have experienced half a dozen classic telepathic events, which of course I cannot prove, but which I will document in my book.




Whoa!! Your writing a book?? I would be the first to buy it for sure!! I must admit that I have also had some very convincing run ins with telepathic phenomena in my years on this planet... Will share more but I want to read the articles posted here first...


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Re: The taboo of psi and the empirical argument. [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #14318716 - 04/19/11 05:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If anybody wants more links just let me know, The site I recommend most is in my signature, I also have that site mirrored if it ever goes down


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