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mycocozm


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Filtering your jar lids...
#14312531 - 04/18/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've tried superglueing small squares of filter disc onto a mason jar lid so I can have an injector port on there as well, but the glue never holds. I don't know if it's the heat/pressure from the cooker or what but by the time I get around to shaking my jars the filter pops off on about half of them. Any special glue that anyone uses that won't melt into toxic gas during PCing?
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: mycocozm]
#14312561 - 04/18/11 02:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Silicon glue should hold up against autoclave temps.
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: mycocozm]
#14312584 - 04/18/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would try to tape it on with micropore or glueing it with RTV-Silicone.
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: derpif]
#14312596 - 04/18/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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see sig for lid tek
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: mycocozm]
#14314852 - 04/18/11 11:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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mycocozm said: I've tried superglueing small squares of filter disc onto a mason jar lid so I can have an injector port on there as well, but the glue never holds. I don't know if it's the heat/pressure from the cooker or what but by the time I get around to shaking my jars the filter pops off on about half of them. Any special glue that anyone uses that won't melt into toxic gas during PCing?
If you are looking to make an injector port then the filter disk is not part of the equation, Filter material is made for filters and ships (Self Healing Injector Ports) are made for injection sites.
This picture from TL's tek shows two functions on the lid

1) Filter site for GE (gas Exchange) 2) Injection site (made from high temp-RTV Gasket Maker)
Solution:
Drill a hole per any lid tek and glob on some RTY and BANG! done.
Alternatively a cleaner application is available:
SHIPS or injection ports RTV for the Ships and Clear silicone for the Filter material
 
SHIPS can be found here for $2.00 for 24 Pieces
My lid configuration is like this
 
Hope this helps
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mycocozm


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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Barakanaten]
#14316089 - 04/19/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Barakanaten said:
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mycocozm said: I've tried superglueing small squares of filter disc onto a mason jar lid so I can have an injector port on there as well, but the glue never holds. I don't know if it's the heat/pressure from the cooker or what but by the time I get around to shaking my jars the filter pops off on about half of them. Any special glue that anyone uses that won't melt into toxic gas during PCing?
If you are looking to make an injector port then the filter disk is not part of the equation, Filter material is made for filters and ships (Self Healing Injector Ports) are made for injection sites.
This picture from TL's tek shows two functions on the lid

1) Filter site for GE (gas Exchange) 2) Injection site (made from high temp-RTV Gasket Maker)
Solution:
Drill a hole per any lid tek and glob on some RTY and BANG! done.
Alternatively a cleaner application is available:
SHIPS or injection ports RTV for the Ships and Clear silicone for the Filter material
 
SHIPS can be found here for $2.00 for 24 Pieces
My lid configuration is like this
 
Hope this helps

You might try reading threads more carefully before answering. This issue has been resolved, and yes, filter disks are part of the equation. A for effort though...much appreciated.
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: mycocozm]
#14317456 - 04/19/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well aren't you just a smart mouth
Sorry but filter disks are not for injection ports sorry just not how it works
I read the thread just fine.
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I've tried superglueing small squares of filter disc onto a mason jar lid so I can have an injector port on there as well,
nothing left to say. except mush cult is full of dipshits....
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Barakanaten]
#14317474 - 04/19/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Barakanaten said: Well aren't you just a smart mouth
Sorry but filter disks are not for injection ports sorry just not how it works
I read the thread just fine.
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I've tried superglueing small squares of filter disc onto a mason jar lid so I can have an injector port on there as well,
nothing left to say. except mush cult is full of dipshits....
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mycocozm


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Is that why you have pictures of jar lids with filter discs next to your injector ports? Read more carefully. And don't take it so personally.
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: mycocozm]
#14318704 - 04/19/11 05:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Can someone tell me where I can buy that filter material? I want to make some better lids.
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: iSHACKA]
#14318737 - 04/19/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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iSHACKA said: Can someone tell me where I can buy that filter material? I want to make some better lids.
http://www.mycosupply.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?preadd=action&key=SFDI01
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: mycocozm]
#14318761 - 04/19/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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mycocozm said: Is that why you have pictures of jar lids with filter discs next to your injector ports? Read more carefully. And don't take it so personally.


Im not sure if you just woke up today and decided to eat a retard sandwich or what
but you are quickly wearing on my nerves kid
Smarten up and pay close attention to what you just said to me....take your own advice. Dont argue just to argue...
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mycocozm said: I've tried superglueing small squares of filter disc onto a mason jar lid so I can have an injector port on there as well,
supergluing a small square of filter material will not give you an injector port

Why are you such a doucher? Do you just not understand?  I cant talk any more in plain English you are going to have to figure out whats happening here, you are completely making a fool out of your self....
That little smart mouthed disrespect just ensured I will never help you again....
this is a great place to get help and ask for advice and hang out with some of the coolest people in the world...
you dont need to have that piss poor attitude and fuck up a great place with your shit, cocky ass smart mouthed vibe...
take that shit somewhere else 
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Barakanaten]
#14320343 - 04/19/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have nothing to add...just wanna see how crazy it gets
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: crp32008]
#14320625 - 04/19/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've used two part epoxy like JB weld from walmart before, it holds in pc's
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Just use silicone to hold the filter material on and use a silicone blob over a hole in the lid to make the injection port...wally world has it for less than 3 bucks
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Barakanaten]
#14320641 - 04/19/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Barakanaten said:
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mycocozm said: Is that why you have pictures of jar lids with filter discs next to your injector ports? Read more carefully. And don't take it so personally.


Im not sure if you just woke up today and decided to eat a retard sandwich or what
but you are quickly wearing on my nerves kid
Smarten up and pay close attention to what you just said to me....take your own advice. Dont argue just to argue...
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mycocozm said: I've tried superglueing small squares of filter disc onto a mason jar lid so I can have an injector port on there as well,
supergluing a small square of filter material will not give you an injector port

Why are you such a doucher? Do you just not understand?  I cant talk any more in plain English you are going to have to figure out whats happening here, you are completely making a fool out of your self....
That little smart mouthed disrespect just ensured I will never help you again....
this is a great place to get help and ask for advice and hang out with some of the coolest people in the world...
you dont need to have that piss poor attitude and fuck up a great place with your shit, cocky ass smart mouthed vibe...
take that shit somewhere else 

been drinking again friend? hahahahaha just bustin' your balls
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: crp32008]
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Damion5050]
#14320674 - 04/19/11 11:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dfit- im likin' the new avatar, I need a good one but just cant find something I like haha who woulda thought it was that serious                     
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Victarius]
#14322121 - 04/20/11 09:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Victarius said: Silicon glue should hold up against autoclave temps.
Silicon glue bro. Question answered. Thread closed. Let it go.
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: mycocozm]
#14322221 - 04/20/11 09:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i ALWAYS use a layer or two of tyvek (envelopes, house wrap, painters overalls) covered with the sticky part of a fabric bandaid. you can either cover the whole thing with the bandaid, or just make a bandaid frame around it (depending on the size of the hole). my 2 sense.
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YouKnowEdDavis said: i ALWAYS use a layer or two of tyvek (envelopes, house wrap, painters overalls) covered with the sticky part of a fabric bandaid. you can either cover the whole thing with the bandaid, or just make a bandaid frame around it (depending on the size of the hole). my 2 sense.
Alternatevily you could go this route:
The filter material I use is called Ez Felt it is the same material as polyfil only "ironed" out into a mat. Its is autoclavable and has a melting point of 490°f/254°c
Image below is courtesy of Boris

Image courtesy of Best damn jar lids ever...

It can be purchased at fabric and Arts and craft stores.
1 sheet is .99cents and makes 110 +/- 1 U.S Minted Quarter Sized Disks.
that comes out to less than a penny per disk.
I have never had contaminated spawn jar.
Follow the tek linked above or n00bies lid tek and replace the SFD material with the "easy Felt"
If you want to go RR's way then just cut out the material to X mm i'e 90 or 110 or whatever... and do this:
Jar > Lid > Easy Felt > Ring
Image courtesy of best damn jar lids
<--without the tracing
I have done that as well and siliconed the material right to the ring. Image below is courtesy of 13Shrooms

That image explains the micron sizes and shows why a SFD (Synthetic Filter Disk) will always be the better choice Scientifically.
Having said that, in practice and real world use I personally have never! had a contaminated spawn jar While using this material.
 
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Barakanaten]
#14322371 - 04/20/11 10:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Its not glue, it's high temp RTV (room temperature vulcanizer). It turns to temp resistant rubber when it dries in the air and it is in the red tube in the auto section. Thread open, there is no such thing as silicon glue. If you want glue you want epoxy, but I am not sure it would stand the temps the red RTV will.
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Barakanaten]
#14323269 - 04/20/11 02:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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3n1gm4 said: Its not glue, it's high temp RTV (room temperature vulcanizer). It turns to temp resistant rubber when it dries in the air and it is in the red tube in the auto section. Thread open, there is no such thing as silicon glue. If you want glue you want epoxy, but I am not sure it would stand the temps the red RTV will.
Epoxy does not with stand autoclaving. At least not the type I have used. I go with the RTV silicone (doesnt matter what color, just saying that so the OP doesnt get hung up on making sure he gets red when any silicone will work as long as its real silicone and not glue).
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Barakanaten said:
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YouKnowEdDavis said: i ALWAYS use a layer or two of tyvek (envelopes, house wrap, painters overalls) covered with the sticky part of a fabric bandaid. you can either cover the whole thing with the bandaid, or just make a bandaid frame around it (depending on the size of the hole). my 2 sense.
Alternatevily you could go this route:
The filter material I use is called Ez Felt it is the same material as polyfil only "ironed" out into a mat. Its is autoclavable and has a melting point of 490°f/254°c
Image below is courtesy of Boris

Image courtesy of Best damn jar lids ever...

It can be purchased at fabric and Arts and craft stores.
1 sheet is .99cents and makes 110 +/- 1 U.S Minted Quarter Sized Disks.
that comes out to less than a penny per disk.
I have never had contaminated spawn jar.
Follow the tek linked above or n00bies lid tek and replace the SFD material with the "easy Felt"
If you want to go RR's way then just cut out the material to X mm i'e 90 or 110 or whatever... and do this:
Jar > Lid > Easy Felt > Ring
Image courtesy of best damn jar lids
<--without the tracing
I have done that as well and siliconed the material right to the ring. Image below is courtesy of 13Shrooms

That image explains the micron sizes and shows why a SFD (Synthetic Filter Disk) will always be the better choice Scientifically.
Having said that, in practice and real world use I personally have never! had a contaminated spawn jar While using this material.
 

Here we go again with the EZ-felt just fuckin' with ya I used the ez felt filters u sent me and they worked like a charm. Im the kinda guy where if it's free and it works, i dont give a fuck what it is hahaha Hence all the postal service tyvek I use 
I think we should make a thread with all the type of filter material that would work. that way people can check that out as a guide. Maybe I just have too much time on my hands...im goin nuts here, 420 with no 420 
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: crp32008]
#14323359 - 04/20/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm putting together a little write up so I can quit digging around for the same post everytime someone asks me about it...
I just bought 24 pieces of Ez Felt

I will load a pack into your next package
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Barakanaten]
#14323369 - 04/20/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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O wurd, Dude, everywhere I look in these boxes Im finding lids that I made, Its like I have more lids than jars hahaha. I make all of my lids with injection ports and filters that way I dont have to look for lids when I do innocs, I can just grab any of them. With as many as I have laying around I cant afford the time to sort through all of them to find the right ones
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: crp32008]
#14325984 - 04/21/11 01:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Red RTV is the high temp RTV not all kinds work like the red gasket maker.
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14326893 - 04/21/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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What is the difference between the red and blue RTV? I've been using the blue, just because it perfectly matches my SHIPs... that, and I'm a smurf.
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Trippy_Smurf said: What is the difference between the red and blue RTV? I've been using the blue, just because it perfectly matches my SHIPs... that, and I'm a smurf.
The temp rating on it. Red rtv can withstand more heat than blue. I am a caulker for a living. Just about any silicone will withstand the PC
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Trippy_Smurf said: What is the difference between the red and blue RTV? I've been using the blue, just because it perfectly matches my SHIPs... that, and I'm a smurf.
The temp rating on it. Red rtv can withstand more heat than blue. I am a caulker for a living. Just about any silicone will withstand the PC
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Trippy_Smurf said: What is the difference between the red and blue RTV? I've been using the blue, just because it perfectly matches my SHIPs... that, and I'm a smurf.
The temp rating on it. Red rtv can withstand more heat than blue. I am a caulker for a living. Just about any silicone will withstand the PC
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The temp rating on it. Red rtv can withstand more heat than blue. I am a caulker for a living. Just about any silicone will withstand the PC
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The temp rating on it. Red rtv can withstand more heat than blue. I am a caulker for a living. Just about any silicone will withstand the PC

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The temp rating on it. Red rtv can withstand more heat than blue. I am a caulker for a living. Just about any silicone will withstand the PC

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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Barakanaten]
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Barakanaten]
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lmfao..thx for the first laugh of the day guys
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Luv2shrOOm]
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epoxy for ports. tyvek or disc filters for GE
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NO! silicone for ports & silicone to attach the disks to the lids.
we just went over this...
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NO! silicone for ports & silicone to attach the disks to the lids.
we just went over this...
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I just cant believe how diffucult people make a simple concept such as Lids
Its like ...
The teks explain all you need to really know, the fact that lids have been the center of Ation is a concerning trend....
I am reminded of our friend Shot.in.Orbit.....
Its surprising that we had this all figured out back in the days of the mighty Agar and we are still stuck in this lid rut with of course a huge advancement from my EZ felt tek.. (plug?) side from that though it tells me that we here as a community have an epidemic...of
But having said that I personally will help any and all who need a further explanation of the intricacies of Jar lids
I make jokes but I am sympathetic to the stresses of learning myco related stuff it can be an arduous adventure and daunting at times.
Anyone having issues with lids please pm or ask here and lets get you squared away..
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Barakanaten]
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Barakanaten said: I just cant believe how diffucult people make a simple concept such as Lids
Its like ...
The teks explain all you need to really know, the fact that lids have been the center of Ation is a concerning trend....
I am reminded of our friend Shot.in.Orbit.....
Its surprising that we had this all figured out back in the days of the mighty Agar and we are still stuck in this lid rut with of course a huge advancement from my EZ felt tek.. (plug?) side from that though it tells me that we here as a community have an epidemic...of
But having said that I personally will help any and all who need a further explanation of the intricacies of Jar lids
I make jokes but I am sympathetic to the stresses of learning myco related stuff it can be an arduous adventure and daunting at times.
Anyone having issues with lids please pm or ask here and lets get you squared away..
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: 3n1gm4]
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3n1gm4 said: Red RTV is the high temp RTV not all kinds work like the red gasket maker.
I use clear silicone from walmart (the one for doors, windows, baths, blah blah blah). Not saying rtv doesnt work too but, never used it and never had a problem. Just sayin you dont NEED to use just that.
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: crp32008]
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What do you use, just a caulking gun and a big tube of silicone? Seems like it would be hard to get your SFDs around the edge with that...
Some RTV isn't made for PC temps, like the black, it is waterproof.
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: 3n1gm4]
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3n1gm4 said: What do you use, just a caulking gun and a big tube of silicone? Seems like it would be hard to get your SFDs around the edge with that...
Some RTV isn't made for PC temps, like the black, it is waterproof.
I just go to walmart and get one of those small tubs hanging in the paint section. No caulk gun or anything. When i do my filters I put a layer of silicone on top around the edges and on the bottom aroung the edges and smooth it all together so it stays onto the jar lid. Most of my filters are on the underneath of the lids. Never used the black stuff, but, ill stay away from it hahaha
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: crp32008]
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You can use basically any type silicone you want as long as it's rated above 250 F (temp of PCing)
can we please stop
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: crp32008]
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I have nothing to add...just wanna see how crazy it gets
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Mad River]
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Lids have evolved over the last decade, and Im glad they did. Injection port must be 100% sealing due to possible withdraw substrate, and airborne cling-ons from the outside environment. The gas port is a must, and *some* filter material should be used, as it will not be mixing with the needles possible contams. Its almost come down to a perfect science!  Thats what I have deduced, and hopefully the thread will decompose.
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Silicone like Crp explained can be used for both applications, injection port or sealing of the disk.
Personally I am fond of:
Filterdisks/silicone 
Whatman filters/Silicone 
injection port Blob/RTV 
Ship Self healing injection port/RTV 
I know a thing or two about lids/jars 
   
    
   
   
   
    
   
  

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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Barakanaten]
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The clear silicon work well for injection ports? I like it because you can actually see where the hole is. I sometimes have to poke around in the red.
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Mad River]
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Silicone works well for everything
I love plastik
"if you cant find the hole....make one!" I always say.....
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Barakanaten]
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I tried a few kinds of silicone caulk and they all came off pretty easily after PCing. Then I tried blue RTV and love it. I just kicked a tube of blue today, so maybe I'll try red next.
I drill 2 1/2" holes in all of my lids and RTV tyvek over one and either put a blob or a SHIP in the other. I'm moving away from the blob though... I put a pretty big hole in one with the plastic base of a needle... all SHIPs from now on. With the blob of RTV, since it's over a 1/2" hole, even through it's not clear, it's pretty easy to hit.
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to remedy that, the glossy surface needs to be scuffed or de-glossed. If I am having that problem typically I run a diamond bit on the surface, this is what is known as giving it "tooth"
   
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like throwin a hotdog down a haaaaaalway!
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Barakanaten]
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good call Barak also, sexy dremel tool...where'd you get those Whatmans 
mad river - I make sure to swirl my red RTV as I'm finishing the inoculation point; then, once cured, I cut the swirl off level & have a marker for my inoc port. I still hit the lid every now & then, but have no adverse effects due to said action.
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@ barak- same silicone I use (the first type you put up). Ive done the scuffing, melted those .2micron filters from my bags onto the lid and it worked haha Thing about this hobby, you can do whatever the fuck you want as long as it works
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: crp32008]
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crp32008 said: @ barak- same silicone I use (the first type you put up). Ive done the scuffing, melted those .2micron filters from my bags onto the lid and it worked haha Thing about this hobby, you can do whatever the fuck you want as long as it works 
Agreed!
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Barakanaten]
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You're too much bro
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good call Barak also, sexy dremel tool...where'd you get those Whatmans 
I actually got those 100mm 1.0µm µ being Micron m being meter
from ebay, I messed up because you want the .45µm-.20µm
but its all good because hippiechick and mycoagarmist helped me out by giving me a great idea
   
   
these were from you Its good to know people
 
Half of those are ..
Thanks TL
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Barakanaten]
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be careful not to hurt youself with such a big boy toy...last time I checked someone almost blew themselves up working in a glove box 
You know how most meth labs are found...the fire department You know how barak is found after working in a glove box...the fire department   
O I crack myself up haha You know im just messin' with ya,
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be careful not to hurt youself with such a big boy toy...last time I checked someone almost blew themselves up working in a glove box 
You know how most meth labs are found...the fire department You know how barak is found after working in a glove box...the fire department   
O I crack myself up haha You know im just messin' with ya, 
yeah thats well documented in TL, SAB/GB tek...lol

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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Barakanaten]
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be careful not to hurt youself with such a big boy toy...last time I checked someone almost blew themselves up working in a glove box 
You know how most meth labs are found...the fire department You know how barak is found after working in a glove box...the fire department   
O I crack myself up haha You know im just messin' with ya, 
yeah thats well documented in TL, SAB/GB tek...lol


Dont be a shamed...I set my oven on fire trying to heat ring lids up We all gotta play with fire sometimes
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: 3n1gm4]
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Barakanaten]
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Since someone else already brought this thread back from the dead, can you PC those tupperware jars? I'm assuming they would melt but maybe I am missing something here.
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Silicone like Crp explained can be used for both applications, injection port or sealing of the disk.
Personally I am fond of:
Filterdisks/silicone 
Whatman filters/Silicone 
injection port Blob/RTV 
Ship Self healing injection port/RTV 
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Re: Filtering your jar lids... [Re: Ripjohnnyc]
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it will say pp5 on it
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