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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14312129 - 04/18/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I added the naphtha because I realized I had NO extra jar for it.. lol. But what I ended up doing was having my jug under my bed near the vent so it gets hot (not sure if it's too hot or not...) but it's definitely not as cold as my closet.

It separated a lot, and it just seemed overall to be a better choice.

I think I'll keep it under my bed because I don't see the heating system of my house raising the temperature to 70 and the vent heating it up to run it.

Like I said before, I don't care how dirty my naphtha is in terms of dark color or whatever, I do a sodium carbonate wash as well as recrystallization.

Should I keep it under my bed or am I running the risk of it getting too hot and becoming DMT-n-Oxide?

That's the last thing I want.




I don't think you risk oxidation unless evaping, I could be wrong though.


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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: bholzer]
    #14312292 - 04/18/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I added the naphtha because I realized I had NO extra jar for it.. lol. But what I ended up doing was having my jug under my bed near the vent so it gets hot (not sure if it's too hot or not...) but it's definitely not as cold as my closet.

It separated a lot, and it just seemed overall to be a better choice.

I think I'll keep it under my bed because I don't see the heating system of my house raising the temperature to 70 and the vent heating it up to run it.

Like I said before, I don't care how dirty my naphtha is in terms of dark color or whatever, I do a sodium carbonate wash as well as recrystallization.

Should I keep it under my bed or am I running the risk of it getting too hot and becoming DMT-n-Oxide?

That's the last thing I want.




I don't think you risk oxidation unless evaping, I could be wrong though.



Wow... so I let it sit under my bed about 30 minutes as I was doing my daily routine, and it started separating already!

I think I'll keep it here to see what happens. I hope you're right. n-oxide is so weak, harsh, and evil feeling.

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14312324 - 04/18/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Angel_Above said:
I added the naphtha because I realized I had NO extra jar for it.. lol. But what I ended up doing was having my jug under my bed near the vent so it gets hot (not sure if it's too hot or not...) but it's definitely not as cold as my closet.

It separated a lot, and it just seemed overall to be a better choice.

I think I'll keep it under my bed because I don't see the heating system of my house raising the temperature to 70 and the vent heating it up to run it.

Like I said before, I don't care how dirty my naphtha is in terms of dark color or whatever, I do a sodium carbonate wash as well as recrystallization.

Should I keep it under my bed or am I running the risk of it getting too hot and becoming DMT-n-Oxide?

That's the last thing I want.




I don't think you risk oxidation unless evaping, I could be wrong though.



Wow... so I let it sit under my bed about 30 minutes as I was doing my daily routine, and it started separating already!

I think I'll keep it here to see what happens. I hope you're right. n-oxide is so weak, harsh, and evil feeling.




Awesome, I'm glad it's working for you! Keep it up.

I've used a hot water bath to speed up separation before, and ended up with perfect white crystals, so I don't think you'll have anything to worry about.


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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: bholzer]
    #14318316 - 04/19/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Somehow when I mixed it again yesterday afternoon there is LESS naphtha separation than when I checked on it before mixing.

I don't get what to do. I left it under my bed so it could heat up thinking that would help, but it seems less.

Since I added the other naphtha, there's about 450-650 mL of naphtha in there, and I probably can only take out about 150 at this point in time.

Is my extraction just done? Should I stop here or keep it going?

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14318338 - 04/19/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Somehow when I mixed it again yesterday afternoon there is LESS naphtha separation than when I checked on it before mixing.

I don't get what to do. I left it under my bed so it could heat up thinking that would help, but it seems less.

Since I added the other naphtha, there's about 450-650 mL of naphtha in there, and I probably can only take out about 150 at this point in time.

Is my extraction just done? Should I stop here or keep it going?

Thanks shroomerites




You should always be able to pull out roughly as much as you put in.

Somebody said something earlier about tapping the jar to release the trapped naptha, give that a shot. Just tap it gently on a countertop a few times and see if some naptha starts to rise.


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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14318373 - 04/19/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Adding some rock salt should do the trick.




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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: muistrue]
    #14318490 - 04/19/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Is that the salt that you use to de-ice sidewalks and things of that sort?

Should I get a certain brand? I assume that most of those are mixes of a bunch of chemicals, will that alter the pH or anything in the mix? How much rock salt as well?

I'm sure it's good advice, but I feel i need to do more extracting out of you than I do with this jug :smile:

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14318512 - 04/19/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Is that the salt that you use to de-ice sidewalks and things of that sort?

Should I get a certain brand? I assume that most of those are mixes of a bunch of chemicals, will that alter the pH or anything in the mix? How much rock salt as well?

I'm sure it's good advice, but I feel i need to do more extracting out of you than I do with this jug :smile:




Rock salt actually doesn't have chemicals in it. Just the salt. It's commonly used for home-made ice cream. You can probably find it at walmart or a similar store.


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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14318563 - 04/19/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

In the future your best bet is to start doing A/B with powered root bark, A/B's are Superior

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Mushroom25]
    #14318624 - 04/19/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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In the future your best bet is to start doing A/B with powered root bark, A/B's are Superior



Yes I'm learning that now :-\

For the next 250 grams I'll do that.

How much rock salt do I add though?

Would epsom salt be different?

Edited by Angel_Above (04/19/11 05:21 PM)

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14318672 - 04/19/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I recommend rock salt because it's pure with nothing else added, a lot of salt has additives which will cause problems. There's no exact amount to add it's the same as with everything else when doing extractions just go by feeling. Saturating the solution with salt will encourage the layers to separate.


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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14318678 - 04/19/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i didnt bother to read most of the replies, but if ur solvent is not separating u might have put too much Mimosa Bark (or whatever) in ur basified water..  U can fix this by adding more basified water to ur mix.  U may have to pour access into a 2nd container. This is y i like using milk jugs. U shouldnt need to add salt.  Hope this helps

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Ogla]
    #14318702 - 04/19/11 05:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

also, i think sometimes what happens is the basified water/bark mix is sometimes so thick that it clings to the walls of the container ur using, making it appear its not separating. Could be wrong, but i think adding more water solution will fix this

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14318719 - 04/19/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Angel_Above said:
Somehow when I mixed it again yesterday afternoon there is LESS naphtha separation than when I checked on it before mixing.

I don't get what to do. I left it under my bed so it could heat up thinking that would help, but it seems less.

Since I added the other naphtha, there's about 450-650 mL of naphtha in there, and I probably can only take out about 150 at this point in time.

Is my extraction just done? Should I stop here or keep it going?

Thanks shroomerites




OK...stop right there.  All these remedial actions would NEVER have been needed if you had simply used the recommended volume of naphtha.  I'm so tired of explaining principles, but, here I go again.  :shrug:

There is only so much DMT in the bark.  Its a relatively tiny amount...lets say 1 full gram.  The whole purpose in keeping the naphtha volume SMALL is so that the concentration of DMT in a small volume will become HIGH...as high as possible (nearly saturated), and therefore can easily be precipitated out by lowering the temperature and dropping the solubility.  That's the central principle to this tek!!!!!!

If you use a fuck-ton of naphtha, the DMT concentration will NEVER be anything other than LOW...and you will NEVER and I mean NEVER get it to freeze precipitate.  You will then be FORCED to evaporate and/or freeze precipitate.  WHY is this such a difficult concept???????????

EVERY SINGLE step in the process has been set out in mass and volume to GUARANTEE success.  There is absolutely NOTHING arbitrary in the method on page one. Every time you meaningfully depart from the recommended materials, proportions, volumes, masses in the tek you INSURE a problem will arise.

If you don't understand basic chemistry principles, JUST FOLLOW THE TEK...PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

Also...there is NO NEED to do ANYTHING about your "missing" naphtha volume.  Obviously its NOT missing.  Its IN THE JAR.  Its just caught up MECHANICALLY in the interstices in the bark...the little nooks and crannies that can trap bubbles by the hundreds, if not thousands.  As the bark turns to mush, those interstices disappear, and the naphtha will magically re-appear.  You don't have to do ANYTHING except exercise patience.

I surely hope this explanation helps. I suffer terribly watching people flail and fail when the answers are so self-evident.  Its really quite simple.

Best,

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Ogla]
    #14318733 - 04/19/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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also, i think sometimes what happens is the basified water/bark mix is sometimes so thick that it clings to the walls of the container ur using, making it appear its not separating. Could be wrong, but i think adding more water solution will fix this



I have already added enough water and the problem has not gone away. I got epsom salt with 100% magnesium sulfate as the active, I don't see it saying inactive anyway

I'll just get the rock salt and add that.

Thanks for the help guys. If you think I should add lye instead I have some of that as well. The difference in bark vs. lye added is about 2-4 grams... I'm not sure if that's significatnt.

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14318742 - 04/19/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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losfreddy said:
also, i think sometimes what happens is the basified water/bark mix is sometimes so thick that it clings to the walls of the container ur using, making it appear its not separating. Could be wrong, but i think adding more water solution will fix this



I have already added enough water and the problem has not gone away. I got epsom salt with 100% magnesium sulfate as the active, I don't see it saying inactive anyway

I'll just get the rock salt and add that.

Thanks for the help guys. If you think I should add lye instead I have some of that as well. The difference in bark vs. lye added is about 2-4 grams... I'm not sure if that's significatnt.




:facepalm:  Apparently I'm too late.

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14318746 - 04/19/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for that Answer Nature Boy.  I have had this happen to me before and couldnt figure out what was going on.  Use less naphtha. 
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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14318750 - 04/19/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Angel_Above said:
Somehow when I mixed it again yesterday afternoon there is LESS naphtha separation than when I checked on it before mixing.

I don't get what to do. I left it under my bed so it could heat up thinking that would help, but it seems less.

Since I added the other naphtha, there's about 450-650 mL of naphtha in there, and I probably can only take out about 150 at this point in time.

Is my extraction just done? Should I stop here or keep it going?

Thanks shroomerites




OK...stop right there.  All these remedial actions would NEVER have been needed if you had simply used the recommended volume of naphtha.  I'm so tired of explaining principles, but, here I go again.  :shrug:

There is only so much DMT in the bark.  Its a relatively tiny amount...lets say 1 full gram.  The whole purpose in keeping the naphtha volume SMALL is so that the concentration of DMT in a small volume will become HIGH...as high as possible (nearly saturated), and therefore can easily be precipitated out by lowering the temperature and dropping the solubility.  That's the central principle to this tek!!!!!!

If you use a fuck-ton of naphtha, the DMT concentration will NEVER be anything other than LOW...and you will NEVER and I mean NEVER get it to freeze precipitate.  You will then be FORCED to evaporate and/or freeze precipitate.  WHY is this such a difficult concept???????????

EVERY SINGLE step in the process has been set out in mass and volume to GUARANTEE success.  There is absolutely NOTHING arbitrary in the method on page one. Every time you meaningfully depart from the recommended materials, proportions, volumes, masses in the tek you INSURE a problem will arise.

If you don't understand basic chemistry principles, JUST FOLLOW THE TEK...PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

Also...there is NO NEED to do ANYTHING about your "missing" naphtha volume.  Obviously its NOT missing.  Its IN THE JAR.  Its just caught up MECHANICALLY in the interstices in the bark...the little nooks and crannies that can trap bubbles by the hundreds, if not thousands.  As the bark turns to mush, those interstices disappear, and the naphtha will magically re-appear.  You don't have to do ANYTHING except exercise patience.

I surely hope this explanation helps. I suffer terribly watching people flail and fail when the answers are so self-evident.  Its really quite simple.

Best,

N.B.



Well whatever I did what I could to follow your tek (150 ml naphtha for 100 grams lye/bark... i just did 300ish for 250...)

I'll just let it sit I guess but do you have any idea on a time estimate?

And thanks for the help... but up until I added the additional naphtha, I had the same damn problem with it being in the interstitial space...

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14318756 - 04/19/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Angel_Above said:
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losfreddy said:
also, i think sometimes what happens is the basified water/bark mix is sometimes so thick that it clings to the walls of the container ur using, making it appear its not separating. Could be wrong, but i think adding more water solution will fix this



I have already added enough water and the problem has not gone away. I got epsom salt with 100% magnesium sulfate as the active, I don't see it saying inactive anyway

I'll just get the rock salt and add that.

Thanks for the help guys. If you think I should add lye instead I have some of that as well. The difference in bark vs. lye added is about 2-4 grams... I'm not sure if that's significatnt.




:facepalm:  Apparently I'm too late.

N.B.



Chill the out the water adding reference was for the original process.

I've adde dno additional water or salt or anything

no need for that

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14318767 - 04/19/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The prob with the STB is with powdered bark it really can suck, with emulsion or the darkened naptha being the main problems hence why I advocate a good A/B over the STB with powered bark

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