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third flush problems
    #14311427 - 04/18/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

it has been about 4-5 days now, and i have only picked a couple of mature fruits.
this is what i have been left with, aborts, and sporulated shrooms..

i dunked it for 2 1/2 hours, the substrate broke in half as well as the corner piece shutting down :evil:




12/12 off 6500k, misting/fanning about 4 times a day, lots of fae, but the humidity could be alot higher.

any suggestions to revitalize my third flush?


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Re: third flush problems [Re: i95fl]
    #14311468 - 04/18/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It's your third flush. Just dump it after you harvest what you want/got.

I don't even dunk my tubs any more. I just take the first flush, because that's normally more than enough.:2cents:

Here's my third flush off an old GH bulk substrate I made

^^that's it...just 1 mushroom.

3rd flushes aren't even worth it IMHO.


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Re: third flush problems [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14311478 - 04/18/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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It's your third flush. Just dump it after you harvest what you want/got.

I don't even dunk my tubs any more. I just take the first flush, because that's normally more than enough.:2cents:

Here's my third flush off an old GH bulk substrate I made

^^that's it...just 1 mushroom.

3rd flushes aren't even worth it IMHO.



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Re: third flush problems [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14311551 - 04/18/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yea basically your 1st two flushes should put out big time by the time you get to your third flush she should be done givin it up, in most cases with people who are getting 3-4-5 flushes they're not getting good 1st and 2nd ones.

But for more flushes can't you use a lot more spawn?


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Re: third flush problems [Re: Mr. Anderson]
    #14311576 - 04/18/11 11:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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But for more flushes can't you use a lot more spawn?




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That's the first flush, 10.5 oz crackered. Second flush I got 2 oz. I didn't even dunk one of the tubs.

Flushes are all about hydration & having the proper nutrients there. If you use up all the nutrients on the first flush, the second will be shit.


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Re: third flush problems [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14311596 - 04/18/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Right, thats why I use a lot of spawn.

I use poo/coir mix though for just in case she wants to go the distance.

10.5 cracker is beast tho. What size tub?


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Re: third flush problems [Re: i95fl]
    #14311994 - 04/18/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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fanning about 4 times a day, lots of fae, but the humidity could be alot higher.
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any suggestions to revitalize my third flush?




Fanning? Don't you have any passive air exchange? That's not  "lots of fae".  Also, why do you suspect the rh is too low?


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Re: third flush problems [Re: anonjon]
    #14312022 - 04/18/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well, low RH can be caused my excessive fanning, sorry I missed that earlier, OP.

I don't ever fan (or mist) my tubs. Set & forget, completely. & this is how they turn out


I have a small fan in the room on 24/7 to constantly circulate air.


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Re: third flush problems [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14312288 - 04/18/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I have a small fan in the room on 24/7 to constantly circulate air.




This fan is the key.

I don't think op actually has low RH. I think perhaps he's reading wrong. Cuz that tub doesn't appear to have any passive air exchange, so fanning 4 times a day is next to nothing for fae. I don't see how the problem could be dryness.

Keeping the air circulating with a fan works great as Todd pointed out.


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Re: third flush problems [Re: anonjon]
    #14313308 - 04/18/11 07:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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fanning about 4 times a day, lots of fae, but the humidity could be alot higher.
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any suggestions to revitalize my third flush?




Fanning? Don't you have any passive air exchange? That's not  "lots of fae".  Also, why do you suspect the rh is too low?




Well, i designed my tub with multiple holes on the each and every side. instead of making one big hole on each side, with polyfil stuffed to the T.
When i mist, which is about 4 times a day, i usually fan for about 30seconds to 1 minute. Some days i don't even fan, and let the oscillating fan do it's job.
I would suspect my RH is low due to the horrible mistake of getting a digital* hygrometer for my first and partial second flush :lol:
I also would contribute the low RH due to the design of my tub, and also the amount of moisture involved in the room :shrug:
maybe a humidifier/coolmist is needed? :shrug:

Also could you explain the difference between passive air exchange v. fair air exchange?

here is my setup, in the insulation room. i have a small oscillating fan in the corner blowing at high speed as well.
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Well, low RH can be caused my excessive fanning, sorry I missed that earlier, OP.

I don't ever fan (or mist) my tubs. Set & forget, completely. & this is how they turn out


I have a small fan in the room on 24/7 to constantly circulate air.




I ended up with almost 3 decent cracker dry ounces. which is shitty because, the first flush(ounce) the stems are dental floss.
although the second/third ounce produced very nice fruits.

i also used 3 quarts of spawn, and 1 brick coir/3-4 quarts of verm per Damions coir tek.
i believe this could also attribute to why i had such a low yield, in a 65 gallon tub.
so there are many factors that i could add into why it went wayside.

this would make sense correct? :mushroom2:


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Re: third flush problems [Re: i95fl]
    #14316007 - 04/19/11 08:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I see. U do have holes, only they are at the top.

So you are right, problem could well be the RH.

I'm not sure why it works like this...but if the holes are at the top it lets the humidity out too fast. You want the holes down towards the substrate. I've stopped putting the holes in the lid and also the top row of holes in the Doc T style tub. Everyone who tries this design ends up with dryness problems at some point, which is why u always hear them talking about wax paper. I found it works better with a solid lid and no top row. This cuts down on fae, but is not a problem when the air in the room in circulating. I get a much better climate inside the tub like that.

By passive air exchange I just meant fae, air exchange other than fanning. fanning = manual, holes = passive.

Overall it really don't look too bad. Could be a lot worse.


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