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Focusing on "I AM"...
    #14309158 - 04/17/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

...I am. :yoda2:



Wait, nothing happened! Can somebody tell me why nothing totally completely amazing happened when I focused on "I AM"? :confused2:





EDIT: Apparently it's "I AM", not "I am". :yesnod:


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: Poid]
    #14309278 - 04/17/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

chill out and try it again, keep focusing, don't take your mind's first suggestion. it is indeed very subtle...I'm grateful that you at least tried it though


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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: g00ru]
    #14309290 - 04/17/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

nothing happens right off the bat.  I tried it a few times at first, just looking and focusing on i am, and was like "wtf this can't be it."  Don't fret, you'll get all the confirmation you need if you just keep paying attention, keep looking back.  But no single type of experience is in any way guaranteed, remember, "I am" is there through all experience, so you're right in saying that nothing happened, but please for your own sake just keep looking at it, at yourself.


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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: g00ru]
    #14309298 - 04/17/11 10:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

it's on the other side of the eyes :wink:


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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: g00ru]
    #14309305 - 04/17/11 10:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, a true real-life guru is here to help me out! :grin:


I have focused on "I AM" several times these past few weeks, and nothing interesting happens. Could it be that this method of gaining happiness is not a magic bullet cure-all for the blues, and that it only works for people who allow it to work (kinda like live-stage hypnosis)? :ooo:



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guruu said:
...but please for your own sake just keep looking at it, at yourself.


I used to just look at myself, but after reading many of your posts where you suggested that focusing on "I AM" guarantees happiness, I stopped doing that. Now I'm going to continue focusing on "I AM" until I reach "ultimate happiness"! :smile2:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: g00ru]
    #14309321 - 04/17/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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"I am" is there through all experience




if 'I' was there in all experience then saying 'I' would be completely meaningless...

It would make much more sense then to drop the I part altogether and just focus on the "am"!

(why does there need to be an I who is? why not just is?)

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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: g00ru] * 1
    #14309322 - 04/17/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Guruu, have you ever heard the story of the blind men and the elephant?

A bunch of blind guys touch an elephant to learn what it is like. Each one feels a different part- one feels the trunk, and says "Ah, an elephant is like a snake." Another feels its leg and says "oh, so elephants are like trees." Yet another feels the tail and says "elephants are like ropes!"

You're like one of the blind men, but rather than realizing your own limited perception of the truth, you shout "I've got it! Guys, there's an elephant!" No shit, sherlock, but you didn't really answer any questions.


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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: NetDiver]
    #14309350 - 04/17/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

haha...:thumbup:


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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: Poid]
    #14309478 - 04/17/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've never gotten much from this meditation... maybe try "I'M NOT" instead?  :tongue:


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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #14309480 - 04/17/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think "I DGAF" would be better. :stoned:


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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: Poid] * 1
    #14309485 - 04/17/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:smirk:


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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: deCypher]
    #14310009 - 04/18/11 12:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i agree with decypher probably better to stick with i am not although im guessing it was kind of a joke. ive never had any success other with "trying to stay with the i am" i thought i had at one point but like many other things, it faded. the only thing that hasnt ever faded for me is the realization that the idea of a self is not a representation of reality.


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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: zoomfan] * 2
    #14310052 - 04/18/11 01:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: andrewss]
    #14310065 - 04/18/11 01:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Poid]
    #14310572 - 04/18/11 06:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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...I am. :yoda2:



Wait, nothing happened! Can somebody tell me why nothing totally completely amazing happened when I focused on "I AM"? :confused2:





EDIT: Apparently it's "I AM", not "I am". :yesnod:





I am not able to grasp what are you trying to say. What is this "I AM" phenomena?


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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Simms] * 4
    #14310770 - 04/18/11 07:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The special thing about the words 'I am' is that if you say them, and think about it, there is no way that you can doubt them.

How many things can claim the same inability to be doubted?


This is elementary. Descartes worked it out hundreds of years ago


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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Noteworthy]
    #14311010 - 04/18/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The special thing about the words 'I am' is that if you say them, and think about it, there is no way that you can doubt them.

How many things can claim the same inability to be doubted?


This is elementary. Descartes worked it out hundreds of years ago




What if everything I experience, is inside space-time, material and my thoughts of "I AM" are outside of this phenomena, therefore outside of being, existance as we know it. Am I?


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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Simms]
    #14311064 - 04/18/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes. It seems almost absurd to say that your thoughts are 'outside spacetime' and therefor don't exist. Doesnt this just mean that things exist that arent in spacetime terms?

Just because we know nothing about non-spacetime realities in any scientific sense doesnt mean that they don't exist. It just means we can't go making theories about them of the same objective quality as scientific theories. Some people feel threatened by ideas that they can't clarify scientifically, because scientists and secular institutions are dogmatic and powerful (even if the actual method of science isnt). Hence why there is so much resistance to aknowledging something like the phenomenal mind.


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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Noteworthy]
    #14311187 - 04/18/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes. It seems almost absurd to say that your thoughts are 'outside spacetime' and therefor don't exist. Doesnt this just mean that things exist that arent in spacetime terms?







But one thing we can say:

EVERYTHING exists. Every thing imaginable. Its just some odd laws of physics that determine wether these things pop up in this world or not. Is existance simply appearance, or something else? Do my thoughts appear? "I AM" is merely a thought. Imagination does not appear physically, but it exists, or does it?
This is if we say things exists outside space-time terms -- everything exist. Just like matter and anti-matter.


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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Simms]
    #14311214 - 04/18/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think it is plausible to think that everything exists but even if they didnt exist, the phrase 'I AM' would still be valid to you if you were thinking about it. Hence it is higher than any other truth. No one can refute it after saying it and thinking it. All other truths can be doubted


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