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Re: U.S. Regime Change? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1433352 - 04/06/03 12:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Not even close, the court merely upheld the rules by the constitution and pre-existing Florida election law.


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Re: U.S. Regime Change? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1433356 - 04/06/03 12:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Ya, just keep telling yourself that...


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Re: U.S. Regime Change? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1433357 - 04/06/03 12:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Ya, just keep telling yourself that...



I don't need to repeat facts over and over. If you disagree, back it up.


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Re: U.S. Regime Change? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1433362 - 04/06/03 12:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Don't forget that bush never won this election



Merely repeating a lie over and over will not make it the truth.




I think we need to address the "lie" that the 2000 was stolen. To that end, i will post a link to an article by one of the experts: Charles Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi, who is prolly more trustworthy than Scalia:

The Nation

Regime change is not a presidential-election issue as the Democratic slate now stands: implementing a regime change begins with the Democratic congressional primary elections. If the voters dont want repoop clones, it is well within their power to remove them from the ballot and elect them to public office.


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Re: U.S. Regime Change? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1433366 - 04/06/03 12:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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And if the Court's five-member majority was concerned not about Bush but the voters themselves, as they fervently claimed to be, then under what conceivable theory would they, in effect, tell these voters, "We're so concerned that some of you undervoters may lose your vote under the different Florida county standards that we're going to solve the problem by making sure that none of you undervoters have your votes counted"? Isn't this exactly what the Court did?



No. The Supreme court was asked to rule on Florida election law. IE: The date the election was to be certified. They were not in any position to change the date. It is not the place of the courts to re-write election law.

That's the decision they made, and it was the correct one.

And all recounts done after the fact, with the exception of one, still show Bush as the winner in Florida. Most telling, the recount requested by the Gore team, if done before the results were certified, would have given Bush an even larger margin of victory.

Also, an article written by a producer is less than worthless as a legal example.


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Re: U.S. Regime Change? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1433369 - 04/06/03 12:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It can't really be argued because the United States Supreme Court ruled on it. All the attorneys lined up from here to the moon saying otherwise won't make it so.

But it can certainly be argued that their ruling was a case of judical activism.

A great book to read on the subject is "Out of Order" by Max Boot.

http://www.ala.org/booklist/v94/adult/ap2/14boot.html


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Re: U.S. Regime Change? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1433377 - 04/06/03 12:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Also, an article written by a producer is less than worthless as a legal example.




Bugliosi is not a producer (did you mean like a TV producer??)


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Re: U.S. Regime Change? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1433379 - 04/06/03 12:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Quote:

Ya, just keep telling yourself that...



I don't need to repeat facts over and over. If you disagree, back it up.



The fact is that the laws were not so clear-cut as to be able to simply say that the court was merely upholding Florida law. Clearly the Florida Supreme Court disagreed. I could argue about the fairness of this until the cows come home, but I think a U.S. Supreme Court Justice's dissent might make a better case for my point.


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Re: U.S. Regime Change? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1433380 - 04/06/03 01:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Quote:

Also, an article written by a producer is less than worthless as a legal example.




Bugliosi is not a producer (did you mean like a TV producer??)





Sorry, misread the word prosecutor. My mistake.


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Re: U.S. Regime Change? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1433382 - 04/06/03 01:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

So you are arguing that this is a case of judicial activism?


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Re: U.S. Regime Change? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1433390 - 04/06/03 01:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

:blush:

It takes a big person to admit when they are wrong.  We should all follow your example.

Cheers,


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Re: U.S. Regime Change? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1433393 - 04/06/03 01:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Apparently the majority of the court feels / felt otherwise.

I asked for you to back up your position with proof. A dissenting opinion doesn't count for squat when combined with the fact that the majority of the court and all recounts, including the one requested by the Gore team, show Bush as the winner.


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Re: U.S. Regime Change? [Re: ]
    #1433395 - 04/06/03 01:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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So you are arguing that this is a case of judicial activism?



Exactly


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Re: U.S. Regime Change? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1433401 - 04/06/03 01:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That is certainly a fair argument.

You should check out the book I recommended. It is very good in my opinion.

The Court's history is pretty fascinating.

Cheers,


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Re: U.S. Regime Change? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1433405 - 04/06/03 01:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The majority was still a narrow majority(5-4). There is more than one dissenting opinion posted in the link I provided. You can read the dissenting opinions of all 4 of those who voted against the decision, as well as Rehnquist's concurrent opinion, if you like.


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Re: U.S. Regime Change? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1433435 - 04/06/03 01:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I read all the opinions shortly after the ruling. They aren't worth reading a second time.

Bush won, the Supreme court did not select him. All they did was rule on points of law. It's a shame that people feel the need to continue lying about what happened.

The system was in place before the election. You do not change the rules in the middle of the game.


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Re: U.S. Regime Change? [Re: ]
    #1433445 - 04/06/03 01:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It can't really be argued because the United States Supreme Court ruled on it. All the attorneys lined up from here to the moon saying otherwise won't make it so.

But it can certainly be argued that their ruling was a case of judical activism.

A great book to read on the subject is "Out of Order" by Max Boot.

Is he any realation to Jack Boot?  :smirk: 


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Re: U.S. Regime Change? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1433449 - 04/06/03 01:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

From the link Annapurna posted:
Quote:

And if the Court's five-member majority was concerned not about Bush but the voters themselves, as they fervently claimed to be, then under what conceivable theory would they, in effect, tell these voters, "We're so concerned that some of you undervoters may lose your vote under the different Florida county standards that we're going to solve the problem by making sure that none of you undervoters have your votes counted"? Isn't this exactly what the Court did?



Also...
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If none of the undervotes were counted because of the various standards to count them, then to be completely consistent the Court would have had no choice but to invalidate the entire Florida election, since there is no question that votes lost in some counties because of the method of voting would have been recorded in others utilizing a different method.




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Edited by silversoul7 (04/06/03 01:31 PM)


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Re: U.S. Regime Change? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1433456 - 04/06/03 01:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

There was a rule, in pre-existing Florida election law requiring the vote to be certified by a certain date.

There was no chance of the recount being done by this date, there was no chance of the recount being done in time for the electoral vote. As a result the Supreme court disallowed further recounts. It was the law, the court upheld it, it was the legally correct decision. You do not change the rules in the middle of the game.

And even had the court allowed the Gore teams requested recount, Bush would still have won.

To suggest otherwise shows either an ignorance of the facts or a deliberate lie.


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Re: U.S. Regime Change? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1433473 - 04/06/03 01:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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To suggest otherwise shows either an ignorance of the facts or a deliberate lie.



Then there are thousands upon thousands of legal experts who know more about law than you or I who are either ignorant or deliberately lying.


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