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Re: Q: Do, or Will Cubes grow towards light? A: You tell me... [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14311276 - 04/18/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Looks like you need to add more Viagra to your substrate



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Re: Q: Do, or Will Cubes grow towards light? A: You tell me... [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14311446 - 04/18/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Mushrooms will orient their caps toward light.




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They'll grow opposite gravity in total darkness.




so, the syllogism of what you said is: light abrogates the influence of gravity (concerning the orientation of the caps)?


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Re: Q: Do, or Will Cubes grow towards light? A: You tell me... [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14316169 - 04/19/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Based on all that I've read about this topic (which has been covered a lot), my mostly uneducated theory is that shrooms need a balance of resources (light, FAE/GE, moisture, etc), and they grow towards the source of whichever they're lacking and that if they're lacking more than one resource, they'll grow towards the middle.  In other words, if they're low on light and FAE, and light is available at 3:00 and FAE is available at 6:00, they shrooms will grow towards 4:20.




:ilold: you just had to slip that in there didn't ya? LOL.

I've got lights on both sides of my tubs 1 is about 2-3' above on the south & the other is about 6' away & 2-3' above on the north. The only thing I've noticed, as far as growth towards light, is that I got side pins like a mofo. The mushrooms don't grow towards it.

IMHO, mushrooms grow towards FAE, which to me, suggests your mono is allowing more air to raise from the substrate & out the center of your tub. Rather than out the two holes @ the ends.

^^That's a picture of a tub that was in the exact position I described above, notice how the mushrooms grew strait up & down? they grew towards the FAE not the light.




There are no holes in the top center of the tub except the one that the light in a jar is in, and it is sealed, all my poly is so loose it is almost falling out on the bottom, I have seen them grow towards FAE too which is what puzzled me. But if you blow the pic up, you can see that my light is right in the middle and most of the pins are either leaning towards it or curving towards it on all sides.

I just didn't think it was coincidence that the pins on all sides of the tub were growing straight for the light in the middle. And thanks to RR I am no longer puzzled, YOU ARE THE MAN RR!:awesomenod::thumbup:

This is my design, I am sure I am not the first one but I thought of it alone, I have vent holes in the jar lid so it barely puts off any heat, it seems to be working pretty well.

You have to use the 13-15w cfl because the 23-26w heats up too much, also changed hole to WM jar size and changed to pint jar because of space.


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Re: Q: Do, or Will Cubes grow towards light? A: You tell me... [Re: higgledy-piggledy]
    #14316176 - 04/19/11 09:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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RogerRabbit said:
Mushrooms will orient their caps toward light.




Quote:

RogerRabbit said:
They'll grow opposite gravity in total darkness.




so, the syllogism of what you said is: light abrogates the influence of gravity (concerning the orientation of the caps)?


:archiebunker:



If you read the post again he says that they were growing towards a light source that was underneath them.


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Re: Q: Do, or Will Cubes grow towards light? A: You tell me... [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14316328 - 04/19/11 09:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Question:

What kind of energy does the mushroom derive from light?
I tried googling it but couldn't find anything other than the fact that mushrooms generate ++ vitamin D when exposed to light.

I am currently using small under-cabinet lights as I thought the only purpose was to incite pinning + phototropism.

If there is an actual biological process feeding these shrooms, I'd like to know more so that I may run some tests.

(I have some spare 3w high power leds in ultra+rainbow+infra spectrums)

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Re: Q: Do, or Will Cubes grow towards light? A: You tell me... [Re: SuperPuma]
    #14316400 - 04/19/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

im just ganna use 1 house hold swirl cfl like 1,600 lumes idk if lumes count on mushrooms but they do on mj lol :rastamon:


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Re: Q: Do, or Will Cubes grow towards light? A: You tell me... [Re: SuperPuma]
    #14316466 - 04/19/11 10:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Question:

What kind of energy does the mushroom derive from light?
I tried googling it but couldn't find anything other than the fact that mushrooms generate ++ vitamin D when exposed to light.

I am currently using small under-cabinet lights as I thought the only purpose was to incite pinning + phototropism.

If there is an actual biological process feeding these shrooms, I'd like to know more so that I may run some tests.

(I have some spare 3w high power leds in ultra+rainbow+infra spectrums)




6500k CFL light is the best


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Re: Q: Do, or Will Cubes grow towards light? A: You tell me... [Re: higgledy-piggledy]
    #14316514 - 04/19/11 10:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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If you read the post again he says that they were growing towards a light source that was underneath them.



exactly.

and what is your question?


please read my post again, attentively this time.

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RogerRabbit said:
Mushrooms will orient their caps toward light.




Quote:

RogerRabbit said:
They'll grow opposite gravity in total darkness.




so, the syllogism of what you said is: light abrogates the influence of gravity (concerning the orientation of the caps)?




so,

with the last sentence i wrote i just subsumed the two statements roger made,

and made the syllogism of it (or in other words: what these two statements mean).

its like a=b and b=c, then a=c.

and c is: light abrogates the influence of gravity.

and archie bunker should tell you:  :nono: , i dont believe that.




and if you look at the picture then, obviously, light tells them which way to grow;

and gravity has no more influence concerning the orientation of the caps.



and the big punchline of that is:

one time roger tells this, next time that.

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Re: Q: Do, or Will Cubes grow towards light? A: You tell me... [Re: SuperPuma]
    #14316599 - 04/19/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Question:

What kind of energy does the mushroom derive from light?
I tried googling it but couldn't find anything other than the fact that mushrooms generate ++ vitamin D when exposed to light.

I am currently using small under-cabinet lights as I thought the only purpose was to incite pinning + phototropism.

If there is an actual biological process feeding these shrooms, I'd like to know more so that I may run some tests.

(I have some spare 3w high power leds in ultra+rainbow+infra spectrums)



idk for sure about shrooms, but mammals and reptiles at
least use the sun for calcium and vitamin d metabolisms.
but in reptiles (we have an ig) they need the uvb rays,
which most household lights don't produce.
at the pet shop you can find cfl's that put off uvb
rays, but i haven't used one for grows. they're roughly
twice as much as a daylight cfl.
led's have been used successfully by others.

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Re: Q: Do, or Will Cubes grow towards light? A: You tell me... [Re: Fungal growth]
    #14317180 - 04/19/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I was just trying to get my light source closer to the sub to see if I could get the Mono to pin better on MS rye spawn. As you can see it didn't have much effect.

I am now trying a zoo poo sub with the same style lid and light. I was hoping to get a pinset like an iso would give with no luck, it may be just MS syringe but the one tub with the light inside grew slower with bigger meatier fruits, I would have thought the opposite with the few degree rise in temp.

My zoo poo sub spawned with 3 quarts of rye is taking off like mad, the coir tub started not far behind is showing nothing yet.


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Re: Q: Do, or Will Cubes grow towards light? A: You tell me... [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14317198 - 04/19/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

of course they do

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Re: Q: Do, or Will Cubes grow towards light? A: You tell me... [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14317375 - 04/19/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't care where they grow I have cakes that have almost the whole surface area covered. I think I saw something likes this in the outdated information section. I think they grow where they like. I have had mushrooms push cakes off the FC floor and I just this morning picked one  from the bottom of my cake that didn't even turn upwards to drop spores.

Anyway
I thought light was more of a pinning trigger than a source of energy for the fruiting body. IMHO I don't know why they would grow toward light.

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Re: Q: Do, or Will Cubes grow towards light? A: You tell me... [Re: oopthedoop]
    #14359407 - 04/27/11 02:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Bump. RR done laid the smack down on the question, but I still want to hear more opinions from both sides even though RR explained it and my pics proved it. Anyone enlarge my pics all the way and not see pins curving towards the middle where the light is?

This tub BTW was fanned from the side hole with a vent fan I made that draws in fresh air slowly through the free holes. Next time I will fan from the hole the light is in, in the lid to see if the coir tub improves any on pinning.
I am going to keep all the poly in and fan from the top on the slowest setting until I see pins then put in the light. I will do all my fanning this way for 5-10 minutes 3-5 times a day depending on how much 5-10 minutes drops the humidity at sub level 2-3 inches from one of the sub level holes.

I also plan on using a trash can with lid, with two light jars, both on the opposite side of a vent fan I made like the one I use to fan tubs, on the opposite side of the lights. To see if all of them grow towards the light or if any grow towards the airflow or source. I have seen pics on here of mush growing towards the only fresh air source and growing in the direction fresh air is moving. It would be great if the grew spiraling around the can, the reptile tropic aire, and the vent system will be sorta like this crude paint pic.


The poly filters in both ends of the pipes will control FAE and Humidity.:shrug::thumbup::thumbdown::billnye:

I will come up with a good experiment to try this on sooner or later, just need a muse to help grow my crazy idea into a breakthrough in simplicity.:brilliant::getstoned::winner: :shemp:  :lolwut:  :trippnballs:  :docbrown:


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Re: Q: Do, or Will Cubes grow towards light? A: You tell me... [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14359438 - 04/27/11 03:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Mycelium Running on p.286 figure 338 states about cubensis, "These mushrooms orient toward light and incoming airflow."

Figured I might as well throw this in here.


Edited by Ganjabonga (04/27/11 03:10 AM)

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Re: Q: Do, or Will Cubes grow towards light? A: You tell me... [Re: Ganjabonga]
    #14359449 - 04/27/11 03:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yah I was bored so I wanted to do an experiment to see if it was one more than the other by moving fresh air slow enough that you could do it 24/7 without dropping RH and do one tub with the light on one side and the only FA supply on the other to see if they split up, did their own thing, or if all sprinted for light or fresh air.


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Re: Q: Do, or Will Cubes grow towards light? A: You tell me... [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14359493 - 04/27/11 03:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Mushrooms grow opposite gravity, but orient their caps towards light to get maximum benefit from it.  Both are factors in orientation, as is air.
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Re: Q: Do, or Will Cubes grow towards light? A: You tell me... [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14359509 - 04/27/11 04:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So if the light was in the top middle of a cylindrical container and the air was spinning slowly in one direction would they grow in a spiral or would you have to move the light also to get them to twist. Don't know why I want to know, just curious I guess.


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Re: Q: Do, or Will Cubes grow towards light? A: You tell me... [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14360455 - 04/27/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I thought this was old news. A conman acceptance. I mean cmon ppl. Shrooms most defiantly grow towards light.  I once used a 25 watt desk lamp cfl, clipped onto my bed frame. Then i had my monotub on my bed with the light shining threw the side at the one end.(on the long end) They grew side ways toward that shit and when i rotated the tub so that the other end had the light, withing a day they completely moved back toward the light on the other side.


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