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Steaming to perfection. Rye grain gone dry.
    #14309434 - 04/17/11 10:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

When letting my rye berries steam dry, they got a little too dry. I decide to spray some tap water into the chamber of the bulk substrate. The spray bottle was clean as it had an alcohol solution before hand. But was this foolish? Should I have boiled the water first? The grain still looks dry.

How long in time do you let your rye berries steam dry? I know you're suppose to wait until the water evaporates, but about how much time does that take?


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Re: Steaming to perfection. Rye grain gone dry. [Re: yessir]
    #14309495 - 04/17/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know, but I like your signature picture. That's funny.


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Re: Steaming to perfection. Rye grain gone dry. [Re: CaptainAhab]
    #14309527 - 04/17/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Really you cant over-dry using the steam method. Most of the moisture is locked away inside the rye berries and they would need to sit out for at least 12 hours imho before they became too dry for use.

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I decide to spray some tap water into the chamber of the bulk substrate


Are the berries already colonized.. if so it's highly probable that they were properly hydrated and should not need anything more until after the first flush.

If they were fresh out of the Pressure cooker than this was a wee bit foolish and could have contaminated the grains. Simply leave 1 jar un-inoculated and if it contams then you will know something was wrong with the procedures.


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Re: Steaming to perfection. Rye grain gone dry. [Re: deadmandave]
    #14309544 - 04/17/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Steam dry until the grain is about room temp. You can't get it too dry, if you properly hydrated it to begin with.


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Re: Steaming to perfection. Rye grain gone dry. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14309604 - 04/17/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

OH. I should be ok than. What about the tap water? Was that foolish? It was sprayed the day after mixing with a colonized cake.


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Re: Steaming to perfection. Rye grain gone dry. [Re: yessir]
    #14309804 - 04/17/11 11:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The grains should actually have a dry look and touch before they go in the jars for pc'ing as for you spraying them i'm not understanding exactly what you did


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Re: Steaming to perfection. Rye grain gone dry. [Re: yessir]
    #14309929 - 04/18/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The rye berries were mixed with a colonized cake into a 2 gallon jar, monotub style. The berries looked a little dry, so the day after I sprayed the substrate with tap water. The spray bottle was clean, as it contained an alcohol solution before being switched out for tap water. The question remains, was it foolish to use tap water?


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Re: Steaming to perfection. Rye grain gone dry. [Re: yessir]
    #14310715 - 04/18/11 07:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If the water is potable chances are its ok but opening up the lid before your substrate is colonized isn't bu of course i'm not there so i don't know just how dry your rye berries were although i'm pretty possitive they were fine sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do...by the way how are they doing?


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Re: Steaming to perfection. Rye grain gone dry. [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14314622 - 04/18/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well I'm pleasantly surprised. After only two days, it's doing very well. It still looks a little dry, but I think hydration can wait.








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Re: Steaming to perfection. Rye grain gone dry. [Re: yessir]
    #14314914 - 04/19/11 12:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

what the fuck.

what am i looking at.

please explain all the steps you took to get here.

going from: i think i prepped my grains wrong.
to: i watered my colonizing grains.

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Re: Steaming to perfection. Rye grain gone dry. [Re: yessir]
    #14314932 - 04/19/11 12:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The berries look mostly ok its hard to tell exactly unless i actually see one.What was your soak method? If your worried about moisture let them fully colonize then case that will hold the moisture in but like I say they look fine rye berries can look dried out but inside is where all the moisture is


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Re: Steaming to perfection. Rye grain gone dry. [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14315029 - 04/19/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This is a 2 gallon jar. It is 9.6" in diameter and 14.4" in height. This is a monotub technique. The lid of the jar was propped up .5" with 2 sets of dice, taped with painters tape and finished with two opposing 1"x1" gaps covered with micropore tape.

I soaked the rye berries in some quart jars overnight. The next day I boiled the rye for 10min.


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Re: Steaming to perfection. Rye grain gone dry. [Re: yessir]
    #14315378 - 04/19/11 01:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

when was this rye pressure cooked for at least an hour?


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Re: Steaming to perfection. Rye grain gone dry. [Re: yessir]
    #14316754 - 04/19/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

that rye doesn't look properly hydrated. it should puff up more than that. You only boiled for 10 minutes? I simmer my rye grain for ~30 minutes. until a few grains pop open. You did pressure cook the grain right?



 
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This is a 2 gallon jar. It is 9.6" in diameter and 14.4" in height. This is a monotub technique. The lid of the jar was propped up .5" with 2 sets of dice, taped with painters tape and finished with two opposing 1"x1" gaps covered with micropore tape.

I soaked the rye berries in some quart jars overnight. The next day I boiled the rye for 10min.




I don't get it. your trying to fruit in a sealed jar? why is there a glass thermometer in with the grain?

How can you say "this is a monotub technique"? what you describe above is nothing like a monotub. your fae (hell, even your ge) is going to be horrible and how do you plan on misting/ fanning?

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Re: Steaming to perfection. Rye grain gone dry. [Re: vegantoker]
    #14316839 - 04/19/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So wait... let me get this straight. You started with a PF cake and used that to inoculate some grains in a big jar, right? I'm just trying to make sense of what's going on here.


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Re: Steaming to perfection. Rye grain gone dry. [Re: Gzaajhom]
    #14319043 - 04/19/11 06:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I soaked the rye berries overnight before simmering for 10min. I guess a picture would help. After it is colonized, I will open it up to induce pinning. I will then seal it back up with micropore tape still leaving a .5" gap between the lid and the jar. The thermometer is for proper colonizing temperatures. I'm heating it with a blanket and a heat vent, so measuring the temperature is important.



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Re: Steaming to perfection. Rye grain gone dry. [Re: yessir]
    #14319169 - 04/19/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Wait...you didn't PC the grain? what are you going to do about fresh air exchange if you seal it back up


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Re: Steaming to perfection. Rye grain gone dry. [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14319368 - 04/19/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:popcorn:

Ok, don't be too surprised when this doesn't work.


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Re: Steaming to perfection. Rye grain gone dry. [Re: yessir]
    #14319520 - 04/19/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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OH. I should be ok than. What about the tap water? Was that foolish? It was sprayed the day after mixing with a colonized cake.




You have a 100% chance of failure.  You can't spawn a colonized cake into rye grain as a 'bulk substrate'.
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Re: Steaming to perfection. Rye grain gone dry. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14319632 - 04/19/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Really? Why not? I thought I read somewhere that you could.


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