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having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation
#14309192 - 04/17/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i have been smoking weed for about a year now and i have enjoyed it up until i expierienced a very strange and unusual high about a month ago. i went into my yard at about midnight to meet up with a couple of my friends who had snuck out to come meet me, we went up into a small forest pulled out some chairs. my friend was using his bubbler to smoke out everyone except me, i had my own bubbler but i was smoking the same weed as them. i only took four hits and realized the high was coming on fast. at first it felt normal my eyes were heavy and i started laughing for no reason, eventually i stood up and stood next to my friend and we started talking and laughing together when i suddenly realized i wasn't next to him but i was actually behind him and i didnt remember how i got there. it didnt freak me out too much because i assumed it was a simple mistake but after a couple of minutes i noticed that i was becoming very confused and forgetful and unable to focus on anything, so i started panicking and breathing heavily. my friends became worried and asked me what was happening and i kept repeating "oh my god, what is happening? this is bad, this is really bad" my friends worried if i could get back to my house safely or not, so one of them grabbed my arm and said that it was ok and started walking towards my house but i pulled my arm away and said i had to go home. so i started walking back to my house while my friends watched me the whole way, i noticed that about every three or four steps i would tell myself "just foucs on getting to that door, nothing else" i was able to concentrate for about two seconds before my mind wandered off into nothing, i would then refocus my self and tell myself the same thing, but it kept happening over and over and over again, and was really starting to scare me.once i got inside all i wanted to do was go to my bed because i knew i would be safe there. it took me maybe about twenty minutes to put all my things away so my parents did not see it, but i eventually got into bed. once i was settled in my bed i put on my headphones and started listening to music this is when i realized that my entire body was twitching violently and my heart beat was racing faster than a regular high, and i was expieriencing closed eye hallucinations of the weirdest shit i could possibly think of, it was like a slideshow of very strange images, one after another. this went one for about two and a half hours before i finally fell asleep. when i woke up the next morning i came to the conclusion that it was laced with something but that couldnt be possible because none of my other friends expirienced anything unusual. from that point on, everytime i smoke i expierience the same feeling. can anybody explain why this is happening to me?
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: zac420]
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: zac420] 2
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Eeeeeeeeeeeeeee... paragraphs?
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: zac420]
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: zac420]
#14309225 - 04/17/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just sounds like really strong weed. I've had experiences like that after smoking wayy too much. You got some really good shit. Try 1/2 a hit next time, wait 15 minutes, then go from there.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: mikehauncho] 2
#14309253 - 04/17/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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in my whole life?? a gram
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: mikehauncho]
#14309266 - 04/17/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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That sounds like good weed, also prolonged use leads your brain to react differently to thc. The brain can just ease off of using the parts of it that are most affected leading to very unfocused, very inexplainable, sedating trips. That usually wears off once it leaves your system, so maybe wait like three weeks if you're not comfortable with this kind of high
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: shadyy]
#14309270 - 04/17/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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shadyy said: in my whole life?? a gram
He's talking about marrywanna, not crack.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: zac420]
#14309284 - 04/17/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah you were just really blazed. Does sound similar to JWH-018, but then again JWH-018 is similar to weed.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: eltonjohn]
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: realfuzzhead]
#14309399 - 04/17/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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ya sorry about that im not a very good writer. but most of the weed i have been smoking lately is medical, and i know medical weed has more CBD's than THC, so do you think that could be the problem? And also if i stop for a couple weeks then smoke again, will i have the same reaction?
thanks for the help
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: zac420]
#14309414 - 04/17/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You would probably experience stronger effects if you did that. Try building your tolerance instead.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: zac420] 2
#14309420 - 04/17/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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normally CBD makes me more mellow,couchlocked and I experience less anxiety.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: realfuzzhead]
#14309433 - 04/17/11 10:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, THC is where the paranoia and far out thoughts come from, CBD is where the body high and euphoria comes from.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14309705 - 04/17/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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alright thanks guys.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: zac420] 3
#14309729 - 04/17/11 11:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey! You know how you wound up standing behind your friend when you thought you were next to him?
I do.
He turned 90 degrees.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14309747 - 04/17/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mad_Larkin said: Yeah, THC is where the paranoia and far out thoughts come from, CBD is where the body high and euphoria comes from.
Having not tried cannabinoids in a controlled experiment, people really aren't qualified to make such claims. 66 cannabinoids have been identified in marijuana for chrissake.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: s240779]
#14309770 - 04/17/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Marijuana experiences generally change for people after awhile, sometimes for the worse.
I don't smoke any longer as it makes me feel more depressed than receiving a phone call and telling me my wife has cancer but it won't be a problem because she slipped and broke her neck in the doctor's office.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: s240779]
#14310324 - 04/18/11 02:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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superhigh said:
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Mad_Larkin said: Yeah, THC is where the paranoia and far out thoughts come from, CBD is where the body high and euphoria comes from.
Having not tried cannabinoids in a controlled experiment, people really aren't qualified to make such claims. 66 cannabinoids have been identified in marijuana for chrissake.
I've seen a documentary where subjects were given pure THC in high doses and they experienced paranoia, unusual thought patterns, experiences of alternate realities concurrent with the "normal" one. While I agree that cannabis contains many cannabinoids at various levels of potency and with various effects, it's generally accepted that THC is responsible for the more drastic conciousness change, other cannabinoids play a part obviously, but THC is the cannabinoid that is usually in the highest concentration in the plant so it has the most effect. CBD is usually the second most common cannabinoid and has a less marked effect on consciousness and usually effects the body itself. Euphoria, muscle relaxation, etc etc.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14310331 - 04/18/11 02:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i just got unusually blazed, as well
it may have been the 4 bong rips i just took
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: zac420] 1
#14310483 - 04/18/11 05:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Its not an unusual high its just hella strong high. You're a noob if you've never experienced that prior to this 'accident' 
Everything looks cartoonish, your heart rate is off the roof, you're uncoordinated and forget what happened 10seconds ago.
In case you wanna abort this type of OD I'd say exploit the leptin satiety pathway. Basically THC and leptin have mutually antagonistic relationships so get a bunch of food and eat it and then some more and you'll remain just mildly high.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: zac420]
#14310550 - 04/18/11 06:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I get a similar experience to that sometimes if I smoke too much, I'm pretty sure in my own case it hasn't been a case of it being laced since I have had those messed up highs and had chilled out experiences off of the same weed.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14311155 - 04/18/11 09:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Me_Roy said: Hey! You know how you wound up standing behind your friend when you thought you were next to him?
I do.
He turned 90 degrees.
Win! 
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Mad_Larkin said: I've seen a documentary where subjects were given pure THC in high doses and they experienced paranoia, unusual thought patterns, experiences of alternate realities concurrent with the "normal" one. While I agree that cannabis contains many cannabinoids at various levels of potency and with various effects, it's generally accepted that THC is responsible for the more drastic conciousness change, other cannabinoids play a part obviously, but THC is the cannabinoid that is usually in the highest concentration in the plant so it has the most effect. CBD is usually the second most common cannabinoid and has a less marked effect on consciousness and usually effects the body itself. Euphoria, muscle relaxation, etc etc.
I know what you're talking about, but realize the second time, when they used the CBD, they used it with THC. CBD changes the way your body responds to THC. THC + CBD creates a third type of high that's completely different to THC or CBD alone.
The experiment only proves that THC is better and more euphoric with CBD. But it doesn't prove that the euphoria is coming from the CBD. It's coming from the combination which is greater than the sum of the parts.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: BothHands]
#14311162 - 04/18/11 09:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Got any papers that look in the molecular neurobiology of these synergistic interactions?
I've always been excited about the way CBD changes THC.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: mellowparty]
#14311196 - 04/18/11 10:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd have to go look for them. I've seen a few in the past, but I can't promise I can find them again. I can show you this one while you wait though:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17876302
The full text is free, just click on the icon at the top right. It references CBD as an antagonist at this new cannabinoid receptor.
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Also found this one: http://www.springerlink.com/content/qx40446564488706/
Unfortunately you can't see the full text, and it looks like someone dislexic typed up the abstract. But when you look at the fulltext preview, the typos aren't there. I'll look again later maybe.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: BothHands]
#14311506 - 04/18/11 11:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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BothHands said: I'd have to go look for them. I've seen a few in the past, but I can't promise I can find them again. I can show you this one while you wait though:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17876302
The full text is free, just click on the icon at the top right. It references CBD as an antagonist at this new cannabinoid receptor.
Edit:
Also found this one: http://www.springerlink.com/content/qx40446564488706/
Unfortunately you can't see the full text, and it looks like someone dislexic typed up the abstract. But when you look at the fulltext preview, the typos aren't there. I'll look again later maybe.
My university credentials allow me to open the pdf.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: mellowparty]
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Oh nice. I can't access journals from their original location, but my college has a library of thousands of journals, but I can only access them from the college's website.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: BothHands]
#14311946 - 04/18/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Early harvested milky trichome Sativa'd
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: Amber Trichome]
#14312026 - 04/18/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Haha Turns out you had a panic attack/anxiety attack. They happen and are pure misery. I started selling weed when I was 14 (10 years ago) and I was High 24/7 till I was about 22 now I cant smoke shit unless I am drinking, instant anxiety attack. It sucks!
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: zac420]
#14312117 - 04/18/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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As everyone has pretty much stated, sounds like you just got really really high...Though cannabis is incredibly safe, it can produce rather intense effects in someone with low tolerance. Sativas tend to induce effects like this more so than indicas...
What you explained sounds exactly like what I experienced a few times when I first started to smoke. I was really caught off guard the first time it occurred and even asked my friend if the weed was laced (which I laugh at my self now for thinking such a silly thing). But rather than freaking out I just went with it and had what I would consider my first psychedelic like experiences. Everything from losing my memory, to pronounced open eye visuals, and vivid slide-show like closed eye visuals...But I can see how some people may have a difficult time when their short term memory is gone, that's what usually gets to people is not being able remember shit for more than a second and then they start to panic and fall into a loop.
Experiences like this is why I most definitely consider cannabis to be a psychedelic...It literally puts you "In the now". If this happens again, just relax and go with it, you're not going to die and remind your self that....And though I would love to be able to get that high again like I used to, this is another reason why I enjoy having somewhat of a tolerance, so I don't get stoned out of my gourd when I smoke....

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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: Amber Trichome]
#14312475 - 04/18/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mad_Larkin said: I've seen a documentary where subjects were given pure THC in high doses and they experienced paranoia, unusual thought patterns, experiences of alternate realities concurrent with the "normal" one. While I agree that cannabis contains many cannabinoids at various levels of potency and with various effects, it's generally accepted that THC is responsible for the more drastic conciousness change, other cannabinoids play a part obviously, but THC is the cannabinoid that is usually in the highest concentration in the plant so it has the most effect. CBD is usually the second most common cannabinoid and has a less marked effect on consciousness and usually effects the body itself. Euphoria, muscle relaxation, etc etc.
I know what you're talking about, but realize the second time, when they used the CBD, they used it with THC. CBD changes the way your body responds to THC. THC + CBD creates a third type of high that's completely different to THC or CBD alone.
The experiment only proves that THC is better and more euphoric with CBD. But it doesn't prove that the euphoria is coming from the CBD. It's coming from the combination which is greater than the sum of the parts.
Yeah, I'll go with that.
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Amber Trichome said: Early harvested milky trichome Sativa'd
That's a nice little bit of poetry there, well done.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: openmind]
#14314355 - 04/18/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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ya, it definetley freaked me out the first time. but since then it's happened every single time i smoke, now i know how to handle it and know what to expect. It's just kind of a bummer now because i feel like i can't enjoy it anymore.
Also i dont think it's a panic attack because just the other night i was at my friends house, and i smoke with him often and feel very relaxed and comfortable at his house. But after only two bong rips i was completley destroyed, and the cev's were even more intense this time around.
So im starting to think that maybe, im just reacting to the thc a little differently now and it might just be one of those things that happen to some people over a certain amount of time.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: zac420]
#14314390 - 04/18/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you know the particular strain you're smoking?
Could very well just be a certain strain that's coming through that so happens to be very heady and Sativa dominant...

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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: zac420]
#14314419 - 04/18/11 10:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You're just smoking too much. The weed you got is stronger than the weed you had before. So you need to smoke less. Don't use a bong. A bong is a sure way to get yourself completely obliterated. Get a small pipe and take 1/2 a hit. Wait 20 minutes and see if you want another 1/2. Or maybe even a whole one. But just take it slow, and you'll have a great time.
This same thing happened to me when mids left my area, and medical stuff came around. The first 5 or 6 times I smoked the medical stuff, I smoked way too much and had horrible experiences. Then I started smoking less, and the magic came back.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: BothHands]
#14314567 - 04/18/11 10:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i havn't been smoking any strain in particular, this has happened about five or six times now and i have smoked several different types. what i could tell you though is that they all were definetley medical and very strong.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: zac420]
#14317263 - 04/19/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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http://www.webmd.com/anxiety-panic/guide/mental-health-panic-disorder Panic/anxiety attacks have nothing to do with how relaxed or comfortable you are. The first time I had 1 I was watching the Simpsons with my girlfriend of 4 years (we watched the new ones that come on on sunday, every sunday for 4 years). And boom Panic attack. I actually went to the doc the next morning cause it freaked me out. when he told me I had a "panic attack" I was furious with him. I explained to him how I was relaxing and was not stressed about anything. After a few more attacks and some research I learned it was a correct diagnoses. This might not be your case but sounds like it to me. Hope this helped.
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: nushie]
#14318343 - 04/19/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks, for the link. i do expirience a little bit of that, like chest pains but i would mostly describe it as twithcing, extremley fast heart rate, bad memory, confusion, and closed eye hallucinations
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Re: having strange and unusual highs, needs explanation [Re: zac420]
#14318814 - 04/19/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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zac420 said: Thanks, for the link. i do expirience a little bit of that, like chest pains but i would mostly describe it as twithcing, extremley fast heart rate, bad memory, confusion, and closed eye hallucinations
Cannabis can dramatically lower blood pressure and very quickly, that's where the increased heart rate is coming from. In high doses it can cause your short term memory to more or less go out the window, which can lead to confusion. Muscle twitching is a common physical side effect from cannabis as well, though more pronounced in novice smokers even I get mild twitches here and there after smoking. And I've experienced closed eye visuals from cannabis since the first time I smoked, but again this is more pronounced with low tolerance or high doses...
I'm tellin' ya man, you're just getting really high....If you do not enjoy these effects, as others have said, smoke less .

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