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Focusing on "I AM"...
#14309158 - 04/17/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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...I am. 
Wait, nothing happened! Can somebody tell me why nothing totally completely amazing happened when I focused on "I AM"? 
EDIT: Apparently it's "I AM", not "I am". 
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: Poid]
#14309278 - 04/17/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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chill out and try it again, keep focusing, don't take your mind's first suggestion. it is indeed very subtle...I'm grateful that you at least tried it though
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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: g00ru]
#14309290 - 04/17/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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nothing happens right off the bat. I tried it a few times at first, just looking and focusing on i am, and was like "wtf this can't be it." Don't fret, you'll get all the confirmation you need if you just keep paying attention, keep looking back. But no single type of experience is in any way guaranteed, remember, "I am" is there through all experience, so you're right in saying that nothing happened, but please for your own sake just keep looking at it, at yourself.
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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: g00ru]
#14309298 - 04/17/11 10:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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it's on the other side of the eyes
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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: g00ru]
#14309305 - 04/17/11 10:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, a true real-life guru is here to help me out! 
I have focused on "I AM" several times these past few weeks, and nothing interesting happens. Could it be that this method of gaining happiness is not a magic bullet cure-all for the blues, and that it only works for people who allow it to work (kinda like live-stage hypnosis)? 
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guruu said: ...but please for your own sake just keep looking at it, at yourself.
I used to just look at myself, but after reading many of your posts where you suggested that focusing on "I AM" guarantees happiness, I stopped doing that. Now I'm going to continue focusing on "I AM" until I reach "ultimate happiness"!
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: g00ru]
#14309321 - 04/17/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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"I am" is there through all experience
if 'I' was there in all experience then saying 'I' would be completely meaningless...
It would make much more sense then to drop the I part altogether and just focus on the "am"!
(why does there need to be an I who is? why not just is?)
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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: g00ru] 1
#14309322 - 04/17/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Guruu, have you ever heard the story of the blind men and the elephant?
A bunch of blind guys touch an elephant to learn what it is like. Each one feels a different part- one feels the trunk, and says "Ah, an elephant is like a snake." Another feels its leg and says "oh, so elephants are like trees." Yet another feels the tail and says "elephants are like ropes!"
You're like one of the blind men, but rather than realizing your own limited perception of the truth, you shout "I've got it! Guys, there's an elephant!" No shit, sherlock, but you didn't really answer any questions.
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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: NetDiver]
#14309350 - 04/17/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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haha...
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: Poid]
#14309478 - 04/17/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've never gotten much from this meditation... maybe try "I'M NOT" instead?
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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: deCypher] 1
#14309480 - 04/17/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think "I DGAF" would be better.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: Poid] 1
#14309485 - 04/17/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: deCypher]
#14310009 - 04/18/11 12:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i agree with decypher probably better to stick with i am not although im guessing it was kind of a joke. ive never had any success other with "trying to stay with the i am" i thought i had at one point but like many other things, it faded. the only thing that hasnt ever faded for me is the realization that the idea of a self is not a representation of reality.
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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: zoomfan] 2
#14310052 - 04/18/11 01:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: andrewss]
#14310065 - 04/18/11 01:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Poid]
#14310572 - 04/18/11 06:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Poid said: ...I am. 
Wait, nothing happened! Can somebody tell me why nothing totally completely amazing happened when I focused on "I AM"? 
EDIT: Apparently it's "I AM", not "I am". 
I am not able to grasp what are you trying to say. What is this "I AM" phenomena?
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Simms] 4
#14310770 - 04/18/11 07:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The special thing about the words 'I am' is that if you say them, and think about it, there is no way that you can doubt them.
How many things can claim the same inability to be doubted?
This is elementary. Descartes worked it out hundreds of years ago
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Noteworthy]
#14311010 - 04/18/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Noteworthy said: The special thing about the words 'I am' is that if you say them, and think about it, there is no way that you can doubt them.
How many things can claim the same inability to be doubted?
This is elementary. Descartes worked it out hundreds of years ago
What if everything I experience, is inside space-time, material and my thoughts of "I AM" are outside of this phenomena, therefore outside of being, existance as we know it. Am I?
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Simms]
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Yes. It seems almost absurd to say that your thoughts are 'outside spacetime' and therefor don't exist. Doesnt this just mean that things exist that arent in spacetime terms?
Just because we know nothing about non-spacetime realities in any scientific sense doesnt mean that they don't exist. It just means we can't go making theories about them of the same objective quality as scientific theories. Some people feel threatened by ideas that they can't clarify scientifically, because scientists and secular institutions are dogmatic and powerful (even if the actual method of science isnt). Hence why there is so much resistance to aknowledging something like the phenomenal mind.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Noteworthy]
#14311187 - 04/18/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Noteworthy said: Yes. It seems almost absurd to say that your thoughts are 'outside spacetime' and therefor don't exist. Doesnt this just mean that things exist that arent in spacetime terms?
But one thing we can say:
EVERYTHING exists. Every thing imaginable. Its just some odd laws of physics that determine wether these things pop up in this world or not. Is existance simply appearance, or something else? Do my thoughts appear? "I AM" is merely a thought. Imagination does not appear physically, but it exists, or does it? This is if we say things exists outside space-time terms -- everything exist. Just like matter and anti-matter.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Simms]
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I think it is plausible to think that everything exists but even if they didnt exist, the phrase 'I AM' would still be valid to you if you were thinking about it. Hence it is higher than any other truth. No one can refute it after saying it and thinking it. All other truths can be doubted
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Noteworthy]
#14311233 - 04/18/11 10:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I guess what I am implying here, is the question of what defines existance? WHere does one draw the line of existance?
Then we can talk about existance in understandable context.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Simms]
#14311280 - 04/18/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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hard question. I would say that it is a primary thing and cant be properly defined with other words.
Things exist in contexts
there is the context of our mind
the context of stories that we paint
the physical reality is a story that is maximally consistent with all reported phenomenon, which themselves are small stories that we paint
but all the stories exist in the mind, which exists in an undescribable context (because we cant get out of the mind to inspect it)
yeah its hard to say
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Noteworthy]
#14312138 - 04/18/11 01:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Noteworthy said: The special thing about the words 'I am' is that if you say them, and think about it, there is no way that you can doubt them.
How many things can claim the same inability to be doubted?
This is elementary. Descartes worked it out hundreds of years ago
What's also elementary is that since then, philosophers have been ripping Descartes a new metaphorical asshole. First problem with the "cogito ergo sum" is the jump from "I think" to "I exist," namely the lack of justification for the premise that all thinking things have the property of existence.
Also, what is thinking, and how do you know you're doing it? Couldn't there be thoughts without one who thinks them, as well?
It's ontologically worthless, IMO (and in the opinions of probably most philosophers today).
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: NetDiver]
#14313748 - 04/18/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not entirely sure "I exist" is self-evident; wouldn't "there are thoughts" be a simpler, ontologically prior belief? And just because there are thoughts does not necessarily mean there has to be a thinking thing that is independent of its environment.
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Re: Focusing on "I am"... [Re: NetDiver]
#14314180 - 04/18/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said: Guruu, have you ever heard the story of the blind men and the elephant?
A bunch of blind guys touch an elephant to learn what it is like. Each one feels a different part- one feels the trunk, and says "Ah, an elephant is like a snake." Another feels its leg and says "oh, so elephants are like trees." Yet another feels the tail and says "elephants are like ropes!"
You're like one of the blind men, but rather than realizing your own limited perception of the truth, you shout "I've got it! Guys, there's an elephant!" No shit, sherlock, but you didn't really answer any questions.
Fucking epic
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: NetDiver]
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Samurai Drifter said:
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Noteworthy said: The special thing about the words 'I am' is that if you say them, and think about it, there is no way that you can doubt them.
How many things can claim the same inability to be doubted?
This is elementary. Descartes worked it out hundreds of years ago
What's also elementary is that since then, philosophers have been ripping Descartes a new metaphorical asshole. First problem with the "cogito ergo sum" is the jump from "I think" to "I exist," namely the lack of justification for the premise that all thinking things have the property of existence.
Also, what is thinking, and how do you know you're doing it? Couldn't there be thoughts without one who thinks them, as well?
It's ontologically worthless, IMO (and in the opinions of probably most philosophers today).
well ive not heard much of these responses in a popular sense. It seems most disagreements with the cogito have to do with the things descartes concludes from the cogito rather than the cogito itself...
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: deCypher]
#14314291 - 04/18/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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deCypher said: I'm not entirely sure "I exist" is self-evident; wouldn't "there are thoughts" be a simpler, ontologically prior belief? And just because there are thoughts does not necessarily mean there has to be a thinking thing that is independent of its environment.
not sure how this makes sense. The cogito is not meant to prove the existance of anyone else's mind, just your own, and only if you indeed are conscious.
'There are thoughts' is not as basic as 'I exist'. If there are thoughts then there is something doing the thinking. Unless you define thoughts as computations, in which case a computer could be processing them. But thats not what thougths are to the thinking being. they have both a reducable part and an irreducable part - the latter being the computation occuring (if any) and the former being the experience of the thought, and of volition of having the thought.
If you do experience these things then to say that 'I AM' is in fact the most basic thing you can say and is necessarily true. I don't actually think you can conclude anything else beyond that. But it is pretty profound in itself. Many people dont see the profundidty, I think this is because they are focussed highly on understanding how things mean to the rest of the community or to the physical world, rather than to themselves. The fact that you exist (if you do) is clear as daylight and irrefutable. Also, you can't be fooled about the matter. If you do exist and you deny your own existance, then you are just confused. However, something that didnt exist coudl still claim to exist or not exist and it wouldn't make a difference to anyone else.
Essentially, we don't actually exist to eachother. Only our physical selves and our behaviors exist to other people
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Poid]
#14318899 - 04/19/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I always know I am
because
I can't
KNOW
I am NOT
cuz
that's fucking retarded
makes no fucking sense
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Poid]
#14319234 - 04/19/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Poid said: ...I am. 
Wait, nothing happened! Can somebody tell me why nothing totally completely amazing happened when I focused on "I AM"? 
EDIT: Apparently it's "I AM", not "I am". 
it's for when you forget that you're alive. It's not some hocus pocus magic trick to debunk with your usual debate tactics and/or arrogance.
Nothing happened because you aren't really focusing on it, you're focusing on your self and how much smarter you think you are 
You're alive. We all know this but take it for granted. Maybe "I AM" doesnt work for you because you don't relate to it. It's not a magic spell, it's about the intent you feel inside. It can be a powerful thing to know that you're alive. If you don't understand now then you will if you ever end up really focusing on it.
but it's also easy to forget. Hence the "I AM" mantra. It's just a mantra. It works if you can actually feel it from the inside. It shifts your attention which by nature can have powerful results. It's not supposed to turn wine into gold or anything.
it's a personal thing. It's just focusing on a concept. Results may vary
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: the bizzle]
#14319481 - 04/19/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not alive. I'm already dead.
This whole thing is just a crazy dream some chemicals are having.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: the bizzle]
#14319579 - 04/19/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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the bizzle said:
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Poid said: ...I am. 
Wait, nothing happened! Can somebody tell me why nothing totally completely amazing happened when I focused on "I AM"? 
EDIT: Apparently it's "I AM", not "I am". 
it's for when you forget that you're alive.
That hasn't happened to me once.
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the bizzle said: It's not some hocus pocus magic trick to debunk with your usual debate tactics and/or arrogance.
and/or If it's not some hocus pocus magic trick, then what is it? Complete bullshit? 
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the bizzle said: Nothing happened because you aren't really focusing on it, you're focusing on your self and how much smarter you think you are 
Of course you know this because you're psychic and all. 
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the bizzle said: You're alive. We all know this but take it for granted. Maybe "I AM" doesnt work for you because you don't relate to it. It's not a magic spell, it's about the intent you feel inside. It can be a powerful thing to know that you're alive. If you don't understand now then you will if you ever end up really focusing on it.
Wow, if that's really what it is, then guruu sure did a shitty-ass job at explaining it. 
I am constantly focusing on myself, I can't not.
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the bizzle said: but it's also easy to forget. Hence the "I AM" mantra. It's just a mantra. It works if you can actually feel it from the inside.
That's exactly what I told guruu.
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the bizzle said: it's a personal thing. It's just focusing on a concept. Results may vary
Not according to guruu.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: NetDiver]
#14319591 - 04/19/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not alive. I'm already dead.
I just made a post about being already dead. The ideas are not really in conflict.
"I am"...the rest is just my personal interpretation. I forgot I was alive. I'm alive and already dead. Reminds me of that expression "the devil is in the details."
I don't ever really say "I AM" to myself, but I do like it, because just being anything at all is pretty mindblowing, imo. It's easy to take that for granted
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: the bizzle]
#14319640 - 04/19/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am constantly focusing on myself, I can't not.
that's why this is over your head. But it's really not, you just need to let go of making it more complicated than it is
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: the bizzle]
#14319953 - 04/19/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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you are what you are and thats all you are
but i am what i am because i am all that i am....and more then i am.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: the bizzle]
#14319968 - 04/19/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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the bizzle said:
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I am constantly focusing on myself, I can't not.
that's why this is over your head. But it's really not, you just need to let go of making it more complicated than it is
It's not over my head at all--what's hilarious is that guruu thinks this is some super-amazing thing, and it's nothing but plain and ordinary to me.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Poid]
#14321014 - 04/20/11 12:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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guruu never told me whether or not he'd heard the story.
Now I feel ignored.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: NetDiver]
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haha...
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: NetDiver]
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Samurai Drifter said: I'm not alive. I'm already dead.
This whole thing is just a crazy dream some chemicals are having. 
Probably. Because You can not know if you are alive unless you have been dead
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: NetDiver]
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Samurai Drifter said: guruu never told me whether or not he'd heard the story.
Now I feel ignored. 
fear not my friend. But, in your story, this would be like the blind men all touching the same thing. We all have being. We all exist, do we not? I am is the one thing we all share.
Look yall, sorry if you don't wanna do this simple meditation sincerely, but i happen to know it works wonders. Just be there with yourself, be in the moment, be-ing, focusing on i am. Keeping silent. I'm only tryin to help people have some
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
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Wow what's up with the hate? Did Guruu make any statements as to dogmatic approaches or set-in-stone methodology to achieve ends?
I didn't see that.
I AM may not work for you, that's perfectly fine, there are infinite roads and paths.
It is however sufficient. To be quite frank I find it to be the most direct, sincere and simple route. It's the only thing you can ever prove.
Many here will go into mental gymnastics about why I AM may or may not be true, but the fact is "The experience" has been with you as long as you can remember; it is all there is, it is all you know. It is the only constant.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Humility]
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Humility said: Wow what's up with the hate? Did Guruu make any statements as to dogmatic approaches or set-in-stone methodology to achieve ends?
Yes, he did it several times, and even admitted to being obsessed with it.
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Humility said: I didn't see that.
Then you missed it.
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Humility said: I AM may not work for you, that's perfectly fine, there are infinite roads and paths.
Not according to guruu. 
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Humility said: It is however sufficient. To be quite frank I find it to be the most direct, sincere and simple route. It's the only thing you can ever prove.
He talked about it as if it's a guaranteed way to achieve happiness.
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Humility said: Many here will go into mental gymnastics about why I AM may or may not be true, but the fact is "The experience" has been with you as long as you can remember; it is all there is, it is all you know. It is the only constant.
Everything else is wallpaper.
This thread isn't about whether "I AM" is true.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Poid]
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One more thing:
For anyone that comes across this in the future; the I AM technique works very well with this video, or at least it specifically did for me.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Humility]
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yeah, focusing on i am and watching mooji videos is so powerful....almost terrifyingly real at times haha. It's amazing how just receiving the presence of a being who resides totallly in his heart, even over youtube, can produce such change in your life.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
#14338311 - 04/23/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Braco pwns Mooji.
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Morrison pwns 'em both.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Poid]
#14338623 - 04/23/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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grrrr
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
#14338639 - 04/23/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
#14338685 - 04/23/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's amazing how just receiving the presence of a being who resides totallly in his heart, even over youtube, can produce such change in your life.
Of course, you realize this could easily be tested on non-gullible peeps and I am certain the effect you claim would be totally lacking.
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oh yeah, i'm sure plenty of people would be quite adept at blocking out the influence
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
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So even neutral people would block the 'influence'. What does that tell you?
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Poid]
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Poid said: Morrison pwns 'em both. 
Ya know he agrees we should find out who we really are. Just read the interview with him.
We're perched headlong in the edge of boredom We're reaching for death on the end of a candle We're trying for something that's already found us Wow, I'm sick of doubt Live in the light of certain south Cruel bindings The sevants have the power
No more fighting no more fancy dress this other kingdom seems by far the best Until it's other jaw reveals incest and a loose obidience to a vegetable law I will not go Prefer a feast of friends to the giant family
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Grapefruit]
#14339507 - 04/23/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree, too--I don't agree, though, that focusing on "I AM" will necessarily bring you happiness.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Poid]
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The problem with teachers such as Ramana Maharishi and co. is that they are saying the self is "out there" or "something else". The enlightenment game is basically a series of failures IMO.
"You can run from yourself for a long time but not forever, it will hit you and you will be surprised, that's why it's called a sewerprise." - Karl Renz
"Enlightenment is the great and final disappointment, the dissolution of all our egoic fantasies and grand hopes." - Trungpa Rinpoche
http://tinyurl.com/3z3zxgo
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Grapefruit]
#14339588 - 04/23/11 05:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Grapefruit said: "Enlightenment is the great and final disappointment, the dissolution of all our egoic fantasies and grand hopes." - Trungpa Rinpoche
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said: yeah, focusing on i am and watching mooji videos is so powerful....almost terrifyingly real at times haha. It's amazing how just receiving the presence of a being who resides totallly in his heart, even over youtube, can produce such change in your life.
the problem with spritual teachers including so called non teachers like mooji is that it seems like hes got something you dont and the idea of self perpetuates. mooji doesnt isolate the problem very well, he just speaks from an understanding he came to know without knowing how he got there.
THE IDEA OF A SELF IS THE PROBLEM focusng on the i am perpetuates the idea of a self. I...am . two things there, there is a me... who is being. in reality there is only being, or existence not a me who is existing, that would imply something different than existence itself which has to encompass everything anything that doesnt exist ...doesnt exist. hard to follow but deadly crucial. so with words the simplest you can get is everything is existence, no thing is separate from existence. but do dont attach the I and say i am existence or I am.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: zoomfan]
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The whole idea of nonduality gets lost because of this i am crap, there are lots of different manifestations of this duality, rest as awareness, allow yourself to just be, etc all implying that there is a you and something you need to become, or align to its all crap. the idea of a self is the duality, me and the world, therein lies the separation without the idea of the self the world is the world all governed by the same forces made of the same stuff etc but as soon as humans enter the picture we make the separation and give the self characteristics whihc cut it off from the rest of the universe. its just societys immaturity at work, we dont want to give up the credit for the good things yet we easily relinquish it for the bad.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: zoomfan]
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: zoomfan]
#14340944 - 04/23/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: zoomfan]
#14341014 - 04/23/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Poid]
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Grapefruit]
#14342717 - 04/24/11 09:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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guruu said: yeah, focusing on i am and watching mooji videos is so powerful....almost terrifyingly real at times haha. It's amazing how just receiving the presence of a being who resides totallly in his heart, even over youtube, can produce such change in your life.
the problem with spritual teachers including so called non teachers like mooji is that it seems like hes got something you dont and the idea of self perpetuates. mooji doesnt isolate the problem very well, he just speaks from an understanding he came to know without knowing how he got there.
THE IDEA OF A SELF IS THE PROBLEM focusng on the i am perpetuates the idea of a self. I...am . two things there, there is a me... who is being. in reality there is only being, or existence not a me who is existing, that would imply something different than existence itself which has to encompass everything anything that doesnt exist ...doesnt exist. hard to follow but deadly crucial. so with words the simplest you can get is everything is existence, no thing is separate from existence. but do dont attach the I and say i am existence or I am.
The reason it's called the heart is because "I" is the seat of both the ego and the formless cosmic consciousness. It's known as 'manas' in buddhist philosophy, and is like a single point that can go either way. But it gives you something of an object to focus on, one that can still take you into the totally unmanifest when you see that even this "I" is just a thought.
Your analysis of mooji is totally off, sorry. He's not saying he has something you don't. He's trying to draw your attention to what you have always had. From his perspective he can completely see how we are all being, but some being just doesn't seem to realize it.Quote:
Grapefruit said:

The problem with teachers such as Ramana Maharishi and co. is that they are saying the self is "out there" or "something else". The enlightenment game is basically a series of failures IMO.
"You can run from yourself for a long time but not forever, it will hit you and you will be surprised, that's why it's called a sewerprise." - Karl Renz
"Enlightenment is the great and final disappointment, the dissolution of all our egoic fantasies and grand hopes." - Trungpa Rinpoche
http://tinyurl.com/3z3zxgo
Uh, what? Ramana Maharishi is saying nothing of the sort. He says the "I" thought arises in the heart, which is to say that the self is totally here and now, it's not "out there" its the foundation of reality. It's here right now, and at the same time, it's nowhere because you can't point to it, it has no location in time and space because it's not an object. Just because I can talk about it doesn't mean it's an object, what we're dealing with in this case is the paradox of our individuated experience.
That Rinpoche quote is mad depressing and I reject it outright. Finding the self will help you to realize your dreams, in fact it's really the only way that's gonna be possible. I feel like that German dude is saying much the same thing as Maharishi, except instead of abiding as the self all the time like Ramana, he's pulling some crap where, upon not finding an object that could be called the self, he assumes he's 'got it' and goes on to drink lotsa beer like a dumb head.
I feel as though so many people add some skewed perspective to this stuff when it's all very simple and kosher. Focus on "I am" it really will make you happy! The nature of our self is bliss. That's what the hindus mean when they say we have a "body of bliss." At a certain point, we are just meant to be happy, and it is only through attachment to objects that we fuck with this.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
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I don't see anything depressing about that quote sounds like your own projection to me "egoic fantasies". "I thought arises in the heart" "the art of seeing" "the art of knowing" all these fancy things are just that IMO fancy crap words designed to con people and lead them on some mystical merry go round while the guru feels high and mighty with all his followers.
They make it seem like they are in some sort of higher god realized state and it only eggs on the ego's delusions. A true teacher of non-duality is someone who attacks your assumptions about what they are saying and gets you to think for yourself IMO.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Grapefruit]
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I don't like anything that implies that self realization is in any way a limitation. Those aren't fancy crap words and I'm honestly disappointed that you would take that same boring, honestly American perspective about shit. It's not all about conning it's not a power game like every fuckin power obsessed American (or western civilization person) thinks.
What do you mean, "seem" like you're in a god realized state. Unless you're a moron, you will know whether or not you're having a mystical experience. Sort of like LSD, if that shit hasn't hit and was bunk you'd have to be a fool to convince yourself that you're actually tripping. It's just that obvious. You're taking that same perspective that all people who haven't had a crazy spiritual experience take; that this shit is all pretend and made up. There's a reason I'm not afraid to discuss my experiences and open them up to interpretation; IT'S CAUSE THEY FUCKIN HAPPENED!!! And the number one way to assure that you never have an experience of cosmic consciousness is to assume that such experiences don't exist out of your own conceit.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
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How is a mystical experience different from a normal one? What do you mean when you say it's "mystical"? That's one thing about your spiel that I'm trying to understand.
Because I've taken lots of drugs and experienced oneness with everything too, I just choose to interpret it differently, in a way that's at least not self-contradictory.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
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Where did I say these experiences don't exist? I've had plenty sober myself but I don't assume it has anything to do with anybody else unlike you seem to.
The problem here is the guru is saying, my state is like this, everyone should try to attain this state but what if the other person is nothing like the guru? What if for them happiness lies elsewhere? Why should they try to compare their experiences with this gurus? Much better to think for yourself (not to say don't listen to what anyone says) and find out your truth than try and find out what theirs is. Gurus like ramana are literally telling everyone what to think. Mooji straight out cuts across people and tells them what they are and what they should do and it just gets lapped up.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: NetDiver]
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yeah it's cause he KNOWS what you are because we're all the same thing, just being, soul, consciousness, and that's a FACT that he's realized and that's why he's fuckin enlightened and you should listen to him, that's what a guru does they tell you the knowledge and it's up to you to be ready for it or not.
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Samurai Drifter said: How is a mystical experience different from a normal one? What do you mean when you say it's "mystical"? That's one thing about your spiel that I'm trying to understand.
Because I've taken lots of drugs and experienced oneness with everything too, I just choose to interpret it differently, in a way that's at least not self-contradictory.
It's mystical because it's entirely trans-rational. When you take a drug you do have a mystical experience but because there was a material agent involved, once you come down from it you can indeed interpret it however you want, which doesn't have to be mystical if that's not your bag.
But if you focus on the self, or have an experience in meditation, there's no way around what just happened to you because you brought it on yourself. EVEN STILL though it's unexplainable just in egoic terms, something of a very religious and cosmic nature just happened and it's fucking mystical as shit. There is an element of cosmic grace involved that cannot be ignored.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said: yeah it's cause he KNOWS what you are because we're all the same thing, just being, soul, consciousness, and that's a FACT
No, it's a DELUSION.
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guruu said: ...that he's realized and that's why he's fuckin enlightened and you should listen to him, that's what a guru does they tell you the knowledge and it's up to you to be ready for it or not.
What precisely do you mean by "realized"?
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Samurai Drifter said: How is a mystical experience different from a normal one? What do you mean when you say it's "mystical"? That's one thing about your spiel that I'm trying to understand.
Because I've taken lots of drugs and experienced oneness with everything too, I just choose to interpret it differently, in a way that's at least not self-contradictory.
It's mystical because it's entirely trans-rational. When you take a drug you do have a mystical experience but because there was a material agent involved, once you come down from it you can indeed interpret it however you want, which doesn't have to be mystical if that's not your bag.
But if you focus on the self, or have an experience in meditation, there's no way around what just happened to you because you brought it on yourself. EVEN STILL though it's unexplainable just in egoic terms, something of a very religious and cosmic nature just happened and it's fucking mystical as shit. There is an element of cosmic grace involved that cannot be ignored.
Hallucinations, LOL.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
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"it's cause he KNOWS" "that's a FACT that he's realized and that's why he's fuckin enlightened and you should listen to him that's what a guru does they tell you the knowledge and it's up to you to be ready for it or not."
Nice one telling me what I should and shouldn't do and what I should and shouldn't believe.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
#14343609 - 04/24/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Grapefruit]
#14343739 - 04/24/11 02:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Grapefruit said: "it's cause he KNOWS" "that's a FACT that he's realized and that's why he's fuckin enlightened and you should listen to him that's what a guru does they tell you the knowledge and it's up to you to be ready for it or not."
Nice one telling me what I should and shouldn't do and what I should and shouldn't believe.

humility is a scary thing for some people
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
#14343776 - 04/24/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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And sheepishness is an easy thing for most.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
#14343983 - 04/24/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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guruu said:
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Grapefruit said: "it's cause he KNOWS" "that's a FACT that he's realized and that's why he's fuckin enlightened and you should listen to him that's what a guru does they tell you the knowledge and it's up to you to be ready for it or not."
Nice one telling me what I should and shouldn't do and what I should and shouldn't believe.

humility is a scary thing for some people
As evidenced by your incredibly ironic and totally not humble post where you tell me what to do and then try to slight my integrity to back your own fear based belief system.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Grapefruit]
#14344316 - 04/24/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'm definitely not feeling humble when I argue on the internet, ya got me there. But my belief system is not fear based. A few years ago when I was crippled with anxiety, that was when my beliefs were fear based. Now I do whatever the fuck I want most of the time and I have mooji to thank in large part. Seeing the self clearly frees something up and allows your life expression to unfold much more effortlessly. Seriously, it is spooky how shit will come about...all because your energy is much more centered, desires will manifest naturally for you.
So, this stuff is all about seeing the transient nature of the ego, and focusing on that which is always there, but at the same time it's about realizing your egoic desires. However, there are certain egoic desires which are deep and noble and others which are fleeting and are only distracting you. Like arguing on the internet 
But I do understand I come off as a hypocrite a lot, but really it's just that the nature of any conversation about the self is paradoxical because you're literally talking about the foundation of reality, including your own ego.
Hmmm, I wonder which part of this post poid will quote....i have a guess
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
#14344329 - 04/24/11 04:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I spent a long time typing out my criticism of dualism in the other thread where you asked me to, and you didn't even respond. 
But I think it has quite a bit of bearing on this debate.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: NetDiver]
#14344342 - 04/24/11 04:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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sorry! i'm gonna respond right now
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
#14344361 - 04/24/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't mind debate even when it gets a little heated and I'm not averse to someone having an entirely different opinion to me but I don't appreciate when people tell me what I should and shouldn't do in such a blunt manner.
If I told you that you should follow along with my own opinion on things and then said to you that the reason you didn't want to was because you weren't humble enough to what would you think of me?
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Grapefruit]
#14344404 - 04/24/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Okay sorry i totally see how that comes off as condescending in a very fundamental way and believe me i don't purport to know what you should do with your life. But this stuff being discussed in the thread is like the ONE THING that everybody can and should do....it's the master key, seriously. Everybody has being, everybody should focus on that being as often as possible. Not everybody has to do that the same way as me BUT i came to that knowledge in a very systematic fashion so I have the ability to describe exactly how anybody can obtain it, unlike some people who are sort of just born self realized or figure it out through being really good at something.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
#14344510 - 04/24/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I actually totally agree that it's a good thing to find out who you really are and that it leads to a new state of being it's only the mean that differs from my perspective, in that I think abstractions are useless descriptors for it. Check out this UG talk on J Krishnamurti.
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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Grapefruit]
#14350276 - 04/25/11 05:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not really quite sure what to say here, there's a lot going on.
I think it's important to realize that there is no one set path or way.
I think some folk here are confused and are repeating powerful quotes that they've heard elsewhere at inappropriate times.
I also get the feeling that some of you feel helpless or insignificant or pointless. The truth doesn't shine through the words you write.
Beingness is something to rejoice every moment about (strictly speaking equanimity would be preferable but I'm just juxtaposing the apparent negativity that's attached to the concept here in this thread); it's not something to sit and cast you eyes down about as if it's insignificant or as if your bubble has been burst. If you feel that way you haven't experienced what I believe it is you're looking for.
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