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Rye Vs. WBS
    #14308329 - 04/17/11 07:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ok so I'm thinking of going to a bulk method pretty soon and would like to ask of everyone what is better as a grain, rye or WBS. I should be able to get the rye pretty easily, and WBS is friggin everywhere and cheaper. So what do ya suggest?


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: A.Pariah]
    #14308365 - 04/17/11 07:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i think rye is a bit easier cause you dont have to fish out all the extra seeds like you do with bird seed. But bird seed is uber cheap also. I personally use WBS because it is easier to get and its alot cheaper


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: Pareidolia]
    #14308396 - 04/17/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think rye has a higher nutrition content.  Mixed grains works super awesome too.  I add rye to wbs all the time with great results


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: UnnamedGrower]
    #14308408 - 04/17/11 07:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think the extra work is worth it if it is cheaper and easy to find. Is the colonize time good with WBS? I would think so myself. Thanks for the input though I will prolly start a grow log when I get around to the start of everything.


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: A.Pariah]
    #14308424 - 04/17/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

All the extra work isnt neccasary IMHO.  All I do is pour boiling water so that it covers 1/3 more of my grain and let it sit for a cpl hours.  Then dry it out to the right moisture.  Ive never had any issues doing rye or wbs this way:shrug:


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: Pareidolia]
    #14308427 - 04/17/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i think rye is a bit easier cause you dont have to fish out all the extra seeds like you do with bird seed. But bird seed is uber cheap also. I personally use WBS because it is easier to get and its alot cheaper




I dont fish anything out anyway :shrug:

Sunflower seeds dont cause no harm.


Im not going to suggest either because its your choice. I use WBS because its easier for me to come by. Whatever floats your boat tho


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: esquaredx]
    #14308448 - 04/17/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i think rye is a bit easier cause you dont have to fish out all the extra seeds like you do with bird seed. But bird seed is uber cheap also. I personally use WBS because it is easier to get and its alot cheaper




I dont fish anything out anyway :shrug:

Sunflower seeds dont cause no harm.


Im not going to suggest either because its your choice. I use WBS because its easier for me to come by. Whatever floats your boat tho




Really? I have been following Docs wild bird seed tek and it says you have to pick out all the floaters.. I'm gonna have to try that next time i use WBS! :grin:


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: Pareidolia]
    #14308459 - 04/17/11 07:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The floaters and sunflowers colonize fine


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: esquaredx]
    #14308472 - 04/17/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Prolly gonna go with WBS because it is so easy to get and cheap as dirt. Thanks for the good response everyone. Any have a favorite strain for bulk, even though it dont really matter what the strain is its all just a cube in the end.


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: A.Pariah]
    #14308495 - 04/17/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Its a practice alot of people follow, picking out the sunflower seeds or floaters. I just dont follow that.


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: A.Pariah]
    #14308513 - 04/17/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Fooman's WBS Tek is really easy, too. I suggest that if you use WBS, spend a little more to get a brand with no cracked corn. It smells gross and creates a slime.

Picking out the sunflower seeds is unnecessary.


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: Mad River]
    #14308524 - 04/17/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

WBS is a PITA.  Its hard to handle and ends up all over your kitchen.  Its dirty and tends to stick together in the jars.  On the other hand it is cheap...


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: Mad River]
    #14308539 - 04/17/11 08:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What company makes that, where to buy? I can see that slime would be bad too easy to mistake for a contam and vice versa.


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: A.Pariah]
    #14308580 - 04/17/11 08:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I use wbs.... its hella cheap and easy to find....


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: A.Pariah]
    #14308612 - 04/17/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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WBS is a PITA.  Its hard to handle and ends up all over your kitchen.  Its dirty and tends to stick together in the jars.  On the other hand it is cheap...




It's easier, and less messy if you use filter or turkey bags. :cool:

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What company makes that, where to buy? I can see that slime would be bad too easy to mistake for a contam and vice versa.




Most WBS brands usually have a brand of mixed WBS that contains cracked corn, than a little more expensive "Deluxe" brand that doesn't. In my opinion, it's worth it to avoid the cracked corn, though it is usable.


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: Mad River]
    #14308636 - 04/17/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Rye ftw!


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: highc]
    #14308685 - 04/17/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

There was actually a good thread McDude started a few weeks ago about rye vs. WBS:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14091644#14091644

Lots of opinions, you might want to read it.  But I think it does just come down to opinion. :shrug:


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: Teemo]
    #14308701 - 04/17/11 08:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i say rye

RRs videos are spot on. do what he does and youll have success.


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: Ajaxx]
    #14309323 - 04/17/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Every time I do wbs I get bacteria but tetricale or rye work very well for me.


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: fngbronco]
    #14309366 - 04/17/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

both have perks.  i like WBS for the sake of spawning to bulk (typically smaller seeds = more contact points when broken up)


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: fngbronco]
    #14309374 - 04/17/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

For the highest nutrition content for your money, I see nothing better than rye. Wild bird seed was not meant for human consumption and therefore rules it out in my mind. I don't know what kind of processing was undergone in making it.

Now organic rye, that's something one can get behind.


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: yessir]
    #14309390 - 04/17/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Wild bird seed was not meant for human consumption and therefore rules it out in my mind.




Right. Not like cow shit. Deee-lish!


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: Mad River]
    #14309424 - 04/17/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yummah!


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: Mad River]
    #14309447 - 04/17/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Wild bird seed was not meant for human consumption and therefore rules it out in my mind.




Right. Not like cow shit. Deee-lish!




Haha. Yo, that was what I was thinking. I was going to post a disclaimer, but... :tongue:


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: yessir]
    #14312724 - 04/18/11 03:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Actually, I have no idea where they even sell rye around here.  Wheat berries are all over the place and I have been happy with the results.


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: fbi365]
    #14312968 - 04/18/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've gone to a few places looking for rye seeds and have never found it.  I've been using WBS with a bit of liquid coffee and gypsum.  I also leave all the sunflower seeds and crap in it, they colonize fine.  Makes it easier to see the first splotches of mycelium on the black background.

It is a bit messy, but I just spread everything out on a big towel to dry after hydrating.


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: diegotheslinger]
    #14313229 - 04/18/11 04:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i've been using 'morning song dove and ground feeding wbs'.
at 7lb for 3.99, it's not the cheapest, but it's about
75% milo, the rest millet and sunflower seeds.


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Re: Rye Vs. WBS [Re: diegotheslinger]
    #14313654 - 04/18/11 08:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I've gone to a few places looking for rye seeds and have never found it.




You're not looking for rye seeds, you're looking for rye berries.


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