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InvisibleRaven Gnosis
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Republic vs. Democracy.
    #14267104 - 04/10/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

A very useful video addressing the political spectrum as well as the differences between a republic and a democracy and how America is a republic and not a democracy.

It also touches base with Rome's history as a republic and what happened then which is happening now in America that changed it from a republic to a dictatorship.

Republic vs. Democracy.


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Re: Republic vs. Democracy. [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #14267154 - 04/10/11 01:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

American is a republic and a democracy, a democratic republic.  They are not exclusive categories.


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InvisibleRaven Gnosis
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Re: Republic vs. Democracy. [Re: DieCommie]
    #14267370 - 04/10/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Are they not exclusive categories? The information in the video suggests otherwise. Isn't a republic in it's nature, essentially a democracy with a fulcrum of laws which prevent it from swaying too much in any one way and collapsing?


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Re: Republic vs. Democracy. [Re: Raven Gnosis] * 1
    #14267454 - 04/10/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic#United_States

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A distinct set of definitions for the word republic evolved in the United States. In common parlance a republic is a state that does not practice direct democracy but rather has a government indirectly controlled by the people. This is known as representative democracy. This understanding of the term was originally developed by James Madison, and notably employed in Federalist Paper No. 10. This meaning was widely adopted early in the history of the United States, including in Noah Webster's dictionary of 1828. It was a novel meaning to the term, representative democracy was not an idea mentioned by Machiavelli and did not exist in the classical republics.[52]

The term republic does not appear in the Declaration of Independence, but does appear in Article IV of the Constitution which "guarantee[s] to every State in this Union a Republican form of Government." What exactly the writers of the constitution felt this should mean is uncertain. The Supreme Court, in Luther v. Borden (1849), declared that the definition of republic was a "political question" in which it would not intervene. In two later cases, it did establish a basic definition. In United States v. Cruikshank (1875), the court ruled that the "equal rights of citizens" were inherent to the idea of republic. The opinion of the court from In re Duncan[53] (1891) held that the "right of the people to choose their government" is also part of the definition. Due to the 1875 and 1891 court decisions establishing basic definition, in the first version (1892) of the Pledge of Allegiance, which included the word republic, and like Article IV which refers to a Republican form of government, the basic definition of republic is implied and continues to do so in all subsequent versions, including the present edition, by virtue of its consistent inclusion.




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Representative democracy is a form of government founded on the principle of elected individuals representing the people, as opposed to autocracy and direct democracy.[1]

The representatives form an independent ruling body (for an election period) charged with the responsibility of acting in the people's interest, but not as their proxy representatives not necessarily always according to their wishes, but with enough authority to exercise swift and resolute initiative in the face of changing circumstances. It is often contrasted with direct democracy, where representatives are absent or are limited in power as proxy representatives.




You want to parse this for the sake of pointless navel gazing, go ahead.


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Re: Republic vs. Democracy. [Re: DieCommie]
    #14306938 - 04/17/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
American is a republic and a democracy, a democratic republic.  They are not exclusive categories.




nothing about us is a fucking democracy. did we the people vote to go to war with Libya? Iraq? Afghanistan? Vietnam? did we the people get to vote on obamas health care plan?


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Re: Republic vs. Democracy. [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #14306943 - 04/17/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, the population voted on all of those things (along with many other issues at all levels of government).


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Re: Republic vs. Democracy. [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #14306952 - 04/17/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Led Zeppelin said:
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DieCommie said:
American is a republic and a democracy, a democratic republic.  They are not exclusive categories.




nothing about us is a fucking democracy. did we the people vote to go to war with Libya? Iraq? Afghanistan? Vietnam? did we the people get to vote on obamas health care plan?



You got to vote on 4 out of 5.  Libya hasn't come up yet.  So far the score is Iraq, Afghanistan; yes.  Vietnam, health deform; no.


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