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The Whale

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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: 4runner]
#14306472 - 04/17/11 01:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Learyfan said:
Wrong. It's Ythan and the Admins house and party. If you don't like this house and this party, go to another house and party.
"If you don't like it, then fuck off!"
Don't sound like a country bumpkin, please. America and other systems of authority, for example, are still permeable to individual influence by way of voting, protest, non-profits, NGOs, etc. To be welcoming of change should be a value that is encouraged, not seen as a competition or battle of ideas.
"HE WANTS TO CHANGE THE PARTY! HE WANTS CHANGE!"

anunnakian said:
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The Whale said: It's nobody's house
Ythan might think differently.
Seems like someone thinks they deserve a piece of everything. If you don't like you are free to go elsewhere and troll.
"Go somewhere else and troll!"
I love how any input that contradicts the current system is somehow seen as an affront.
Dissent... so unwelcomed.
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JesusGoneRogue


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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: athedrivein61]
#14306478 - 04/17/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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trolling just wouldnt be the same without your threads getting locked and those delicious official warnings. and the possible ban. its like cheating death.
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athedrivein61
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Im trolling?
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Mad_Larkin

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Tru dat. It's like diving with sharks, it's only fun because there's a chance you'll get eaten.
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JesusGoneRogue


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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: athedrivein61]
#14306486 - 04/17/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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no ma'am. i am
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The Whale

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JesusGoneRogue said: trolling just wouldnt be the same without your threads getting locked and those delicious official warnings. and the possible ban. its like cheating death. 
It's like breaking the law in Canada.
It just isn't as fun.
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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14306493 - 04/17/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mad_Larkin said: Tru dat. It's like diving with sharks, it's only fun because there's a chance you'll get eaten. 
 it's that threat of danger that compells and drives us to commit such acts.
someone gets it.
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The Whale

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So trolling and misbehavior is a byproduct of excessive regulation?
Now we're getting closer to the truth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_fruit
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Samuel L Jackson
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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: The Whale] 2
#14306522 - 04/17/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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just because you think something is a good idea doesnt mean the entire website is going to jump on the bandwagon and agree.
as i said earlier, the shroomery is just fine the way it is. i honestly dont see where you are having an issue with the way its run now.
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The Whale

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SamuelLJackson said: just because you think something is a good idea doesnt mean the entire website is going to jump on the bandwagon and agree.
I never expected that, and I never wanted that. Why should my "good" idea be the most important one?
But I did hope for some balanced opinions and a little dash of logic, rather than instant ridicule in a can. A mark of intelligence is the ability to entertain multiple possibilities and perspectives without ascribing to them.
The only bandwagon here apparently is the belief that improvement is somehow isolated and does not apply to all concepts and forms.
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as i said earlier, the shroomery is just fine the way it is. i honestly dont see where you are having an issue with the way its run now.
I don't have an issue, we are just discussing the reasons for why it is not democratic, and yet the people supposedly value democracy.
It's a contradiction.
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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: The Whale] 4
#14306559 - 04/17/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i like the idea of an annual election of mods.
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athedrivein61
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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: The Whale] 1
#14306567 - 04/17/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The Whale said:
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SamuelLJackson said: just because you think something is a good idea doesnt mean the entire website is going to jump on the bandwagon and agree.
I never expected that, and I never wanted that. Why should my "good" idea be the most important one?
But I did hope for some balanced opinions and a little dash of logic, rather than instant ridicule in a can. A mark of intelligence is the ability to entertain multiple possibilities and perspectives without ascribing to them.
The only bandwagon here apparently is the belief that improvement is somehow isolated and does not apply to all concepts and forms.
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as i said earlier, the shroomery is just fine the way it is. i honestly dont see where you are having an issue with the way its run now.
I don't have an issue, we are just discussing the reasons for why it is not democratic, and yet the people supposedly value democracy.
It's a contradiction.
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Mad_Larkin

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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: Legend] 3
#14306571 - 04/17/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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legit27 said: i like the idea of an annual election of mods.
I support this motion.
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JesusGoneRogue


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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: Mad_Larkin] 3
#14306583 - 04/17/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mad_Larkin said:
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legit27 said: i like the idea of an annual election of mods.
I support this motion.
i support this as well. no more dictators!!
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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: Legend] 2
#14306586 - 04/17/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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legit27 said: i like the idea of an annual election of mods.
Users are often given the chance to vote on new moderators when a position opens up. The admins have the last say, but the opinion of users is taken into account.
To the RP: If any user wants to contribute their ideas for the site, there's a forum for that.
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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: Silversoul] 1
#14306597 - 04/17/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is a pub is it not? This idea is totally acceptable here.
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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: Legend] 1
#14306598 - 04/17/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Democracy is not always the best option, even if that is what you believe. There really is no reason for me to entertain this idea because this is nothing new. It's all been discussed before, maybe not on this board but it has been discussed.
If you want a forum to vote on it's rules and features it will fail. How can you regulate the votes. Then who can vote, do you need x amount of posts, member for x years.Regular users will not give a second thought as to why something will or will not work. It will be just a bunch of yeah that's would be cool, but is it necessary, probably not.
In the end the shroomery would look like:
 a big ol ball of fail.
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legit27 said: i like the idea of an annual election of mods.
Oh a popularity contest. So instead of admin and mods picking mods for election you get the popular kids running things. You want people with the best interest of the shroomery to be a mod not the one with the most friends. Mods and admins cannot pick sides and choose when and where to enforce rules.
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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: Silversoul] 1
#14306599 - 04/17/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mad_Larkin said:
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legit27 said: i like the idea of an annual election of mods.
I support this motion.
Otherwise it's like presidents selecting the subsequent presidents, and the mayors deciding on the upcoming mayors.
At the least, it's a joke. At the worst, it indicates a belief that the people are incapable of deciding what's best for themselves.
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Silversoul said:
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legit27 said: i like the idea of an annual election of mods.
Users are often given the chance to vote on new moderators when a position opens up. The admins have the last say, but the opinion of users is taken into account.
To the RP: If any user wants to contribute their ideas for the site, there's a forum for that.
I actually didn't want to protest or complain about site regulation, I wanted to hear the opinions from the members. Thanks for the heads up though.
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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: 4runner]
#14306619 - 04/17/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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anunnakian said:
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legit27 said: i like the idea of an annual election of mods.
Oh a popularity contest. So instead of admin and mods picking mods for election you get the popular kids running things. You want people with the best interest of the shroomery to be a mod not the one with the most friends. Mods and admins cannot pick sides and choose when and where to enforce rules.
It is a popularity contest, that's how democracy works. Haven't you seen election ads?
But the "popularity" you are referring to is the sociological idea of being the coolest. And what's wrong with that if it satisfies the majority?
You said you want 'people with the best interests of the Shroomery to be a mod', well who gets to decide what's in its best interest? The popular vote! Not a handful of elite. I think you misunderstand how simple democracy really is.
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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: The Whale]
#14306623 - 04/17/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The Whale said:
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SamuelLJackson said: just because you think something is a good idea doesnt mean the entire website is going to jump on the bandwagon and agree.
I never expected that, and I never wanted that. Why should my "good" idea be the most important one?
But I did hope for some balanced opinions and a little dash of logic, rather than instant ridicule in a can. A mark of intelligence is the ability to entertain multiple possibilities and perspectives without ascribing to them.
The only bandwagon here apparently is the belief that improvement is somehow isolated and does not apply to all concepts and forms.
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as i said earlier, the shroomery is just fine the way it is. i honestly dont see where you are having an issue with the way its run now.
I don't have an issue, we are just discussing the reasons for why it is not democratic, and yet the people supposedly value democracy.
It's a contradiction.
all democracy is, is a popularity contest.
i like the current mods. they do their job well.
if people voted for everything, then people that are generally disliked would be shut down and people that everyone likes would be boosted to some sort of demi-god status.
if there were annual elections of moderators, then there would be people that everyone generally likes as a moderator all the time, and all the people who had a separate opinion would instantly become a victim of sorts just for going against the grain.
the current moderators and admins are pretty damn good at what theyre doing. and if you think something needs to be done a certain way, theres (get this, new idea comin' up) a little whistle button at the bottom of every post. and when you hit that button you get to type a message.
it alerts moderators to what you think is a problem and they can assess the situation.
heres ANOTHER new idea. you can click on a moderators profile and SEND THEM A MESSAGE! you can actually talk to them and speak your opinion! amazingly, theyre people too and actually consider it! and sometimes if you make a good case they will act according to what you said! WOW!
the current system is just fine. theres no need to test out some shit which can go horribly wrong and throw the forum into chaos.
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