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InvisibleMad_Larkin

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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: The Whale] * 3
    #14306626 - 04/17/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I wish you weren't an opt out Mr. Whale, I'd give you +5 for almost all of your posts.


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InvisibleThe Whale

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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: Mad_Larkin] * 2
    #14306653 - 04/17/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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if people voted for everything, then people that are generally disliked would be shut down and people that everyone likes would be boosted to some sort of demi-god status.




Contingent on their performance. It's not set in stone and it's not blind faith. If the person isn't nice and becomes an incompetent, rude asshole - then there is no doctrine in place that mandates we should still adhere to their authority. They get downvoted with the quickness.

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the current moderators and admins are pretty damn good at what theyre doing. and if you think something needs to be done a certain way, theres (get this, new idea comin' up) a little whistle button at the bottom of every post. and when you hit that button you get to type a message.




Why do you think you need a middleman?

It's still not a democracy. That whistle button isn't a "VOTE" - it's merely a suggestion.

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heres ANOTHER new idea. you can click on a moderators profile and SEND THEM A MESSAGE! you can actually talk to them and speak your opinion! amazingly, theyre people too and actually consider it! and sometimes if you make a good case they will act according to what you said! WOW!




Not really, I've had moderators ignore my messages and/or disagree with me.

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the current system is just fine. theres no need to test out some shit which can go horribly wrong and throw the forum into chaos.




Fear of chaos breeds stagnation.

Perpetuating these fears is in the interest of authority, whose foundation is secured by making you believe there is no other possible way of improvement.


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InvisibleThe Whale

Registered: 11/01/10
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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #14306665 - 04/17/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Mad_Larkin said:
I wish you weren't an opt out Mr. Whale, I'd give you +5 for almost all of your posts.




Vote for me in the coming election! :tongue:

J/k.


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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: The Whale] * 2
    #14306666 - 04/17/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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why it is such a BAT SHIT CRAZY idea for members to hold majority votes on the way the Shroomery functions as a website




1.The majority doesn't pay to upkeep the website, and just uses/abuses it. so why give them power?

2. the majority are idiots and trolls.

3. The site functions perfectly fine.

4. The vast majority are here for a relatively short period of time and leave within a year or 2. so why give them a say if they don't stay here long enough to learn the culture.

5. this site has never been set up as a democracy where the masses rule. But if you are dedicated and not retarded in the end, they will probably ask for you're cooperation in keeping things tidy.


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InvisiblePrisoner#1
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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: athedrivein61]
    #14306682 - 04/17/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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athedrivein61 said:
Who do you think is moderating anyways?? Valedictorians and Ivy league graduates





I went to princeton and yale


they threw me out, said I wasnt a student and didnt belong


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InvisibleSamuel L Jackson
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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: The Whale]
    #14306693 - 04/17/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The Whale said:
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if people voted for everything, then people that are generally disliked would be shut down and people that everyone likes would be boosted to some sort of demi-god status.




Contingent on their performance. It's not set in stone and it's not blind faith. If the person isn't nice and becomes an incompetent, rude asshole - then there is no doctrine in place that mandates we should still adhere to their authority. They get downvoted with the quickness.





unless everyone likes trolls and finds it funny, then upvotes it. i dunno why you think everyone on here is some sort of intellectual and moral thought machine. were you here on april fools day? did you not see what happened when people were allowed to do whatever they wanted? everyone trolled. hell, even i trolled.

its fucking hilarious, and people like the chaos. i dunno why you think everyone will take the voting on a forum as serious business.

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The Whale said:
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the current moderators and admins are pretty damn good at what theyre doing. and if you think something needs to be done a certain way, theres (get this, new idea comin' up) a little whistle button at the bottom of every post. and when you hit that button you get to type a message.




Why do you think you need a middleman?

It's still not a democracy. That whistle button isn't a "VOTE" - it's merely a suggestion.





because if you get all emotional and butthurt about something and report it to a moderator, then the moderator gets to come in without the emotion and butthurt and look at it realistically. i never said the whistle was a vote either. the whistle lets someone come look at it with an outside opinion.

if its actually a problem they do something about it.

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The Whale said:
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heres ANOTHER new idea. you can click on a moderators profile and SEND THEM A MESSAGE! you can actually talk to them and speak your opinion! amazingly, theyre people too and actually consider it! and sometimes if you make a good case they will act according to what you said! WOW!




Not really, I've had moderators ignore my messages and/or disagree with me.





probably because whatever it was that you messaged them about wasnt as big of a deal as you thought it was.

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The Whale said:
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the current system is just fine. theres no need to test out some shit which can go horribly wrong and throw the forum into chaos.




Fear of chaos breeds stagnation.

Perpetuating these fears is in the interest of authority, whose foundation is secured by making you believe there is no other possible way of improvement.




if it isnt broken, dont fix it.


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InvisibleThe Whale

Registered: 11/01/10
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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: virus1824] * 1
    #14306699 - 04/17/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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1.The majority doesn't pay to upkeep the website, and just uses/abuses it. so why give them power?




Actually, the majority does pay - without our page hits there would be no ad revenue; also factor in our donations for supporter accounts.

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2. the majority are idiots and trolls.




I take it you don't have many friends on here.

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3. The site functions perfectly fine.




But it could still be improved. Angelfire and Geocities websites worked perfectly fine too. Old printed media worked fine too, but now we have digital e-books and electronic media. 

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4. The vast majority are here for a relatively short period of time and leave within a year or 2. so why give them a say if they don't stay here long enough to learn the culture.




Internet shelf-life and longevity is very short, but you're right in that there could possibly be a maturation period before someone is allowed to vote.


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Invisible4runner
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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: The Whale]
    #14306701 - 04/17/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The Whale said:
It is a popularity contest, that's how democracy works. Haven't you seen election ads?




Yes but don't get a republic and a democracy confused. The U.S. is not a democracy.


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Invisibledonteatasians


Registered: 08/14/07
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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: Samuel L Jackson] * 1
    #14306703 - 04/17/11 02:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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SamuelLJackson said:

if it isnt broken, dont fix it.



Exactly.:borat:


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InvisibleautomanM
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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: The Whale] * 2
    #14306710 - 04/17/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Voting for mods isnt that great of an idea. Users can post whom they like, but the admin have the ultimate decision. In the mod forum, we sometimes have very serious conversations as to site issues. We select not only people that can do the job, but also people with a proven track record of level headedness and rationality.

The Shroomery isnt a Democracy. Ultimately, It's a business.

You couldn't go to work one day and hold elections to see if you can get the hot receptionist in as Vice President of Marketing.


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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: donteatasians]
    #14306718 - 04/17/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The guy offers an idea and gets shat on :sad:


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InvisibleThe Whale

Registered: 11/01/10
Posts: 2,384
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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14306721 - 04/17/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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SamuelLJackson said:

if its actually a problem they do something about it.





Because of course "they" get to determine when it's "actually a problem."

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if it isnt broken, dont fix it.




The wheel wasn't broke, but we went from horse and buggies to automobiles.

Crazy.


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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: The Whale]
    #14306730 - 04/17/11 02:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The Whale said:
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SamuelLJackson said:

if its actually a problem they do something about it.





Because of course "they" get to determine when it's "actually a problem."

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if it isnt broken, dont fix it.




The wheel wasn't broke, but we went from horse and buggies to automobiles.

Crazy.






Moar logic??

:whoa:


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InvisibleThe Whale

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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: athedrivein61]
    #14306731 - 04/17/11 02:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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automan said:
The Shroomery isnt a Democracy. Ultimately, It's a business.





Here we are.


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anunnakian said:
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The Whale said:
It is a popularity contest, that's how democracy works. Haven't you seen election ads?




Yes but don't get a republic and a democracy confused. The U.S. is not a democracy.




Actually, the U.S. is a plutocracy.

I'm just using it as an idealist example.


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athedrivein61 said:
The guy offers an idea and gets shat on :sad:




I like how the empathy comes from the only female participating. :heart:


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Invisibledonteatasians


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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: The Whale]
    #14306739 - 04/17/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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athedrivein61 said:
The guy offers an idea and gets shat on :sad:



He didn't get "shat on", he got an honest response and conversation

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The Whale said:

The wheel wasn't broke, but we went from horse and buggies to automobiles.

Crazy.




There are other places on the internet if you want an automobile.


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Invisible4runner
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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: The Whale]
    #14306742 - 04/17/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Now I completely understand where yo are coming from.... :facepalm:


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InvisibleSamuel L Jackson
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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: The Whale]
    #14306745 - 04/17/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The Whale said:
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SamuelLJackson said:

if its actually a problem they do something about it.





Because of course "they" get to determine when it's "actually a problem."





theres set rules. and they are damn good at determining what breaks the rules.

dont like the rules? go to OTD.


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The Whale said:
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if it isnt broken, dont fix it.




The wheel wasn't broke, but we went from horse and buggies to automobiles.

Crazy.




thats a horrible analogy. horrible


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InvisiblePrisoner#1
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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: The Whale]
    #14306752 - 04/17/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The Whale said:
The wheel wasn't broke, but we went from horse and buggies to automobiles.




a wheel is still a wheel


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InvisibleThe Whale

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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14306762 - 04/17/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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thats a horrible analogy. horrible





Actually it's sound analogical reasoning. But "horrible" sounds more convincing.

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dont like the rules? go to OTD.




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There are other places on the internet if you want an automobile.




For the record, suggesting that I go elsewhere is played out and is an easy cop-out in exchange for free thinking.


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InvisibleThe Whale

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Re: The Shroomery is Not a Democracy [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14306768 - 04/17/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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The Whale said:
The wheel wasn't broke, but we went from horse and buggies to automobiles.




a wheel is still a wheel




Yes, and the internet is still the internet when we switched from Netscape Navigator to Google Chrome.

But my point remains. Don't be nitpicky.


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