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Young Sponsors Bill To Ban Certain Bath Salts (New York State) (EDIT: + Bill Text)
    #14305548 - 04/17/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

http://post-journal.com/page/content.detail/id/582969/Young-Sponsors-Bill-To-Ban-Certain-Bath-Salts.html?nav=5004

ALBANY - Bath salts that can produce a methamphetamine-like high and possibly have been linked to the deaths of two young men at Allegany National Forest would be banned under a new bill sponsored by state Sen. Catharine Young, R-Con-Ind-Olean, and supported by several local law enforcement officials.

"Bath salts can cause extreme anxiety, paranoia and psychotic episodes that have led to many reports of violence and self-mutilation. We need to prevent these type of horror stories from happening to someone else's family," Sen. Young said.

Often labeled "bath salts" and given innocuous-sounding street names like Ivory Wave, Bliss, White Lightning and Hurricane Charlie, the drugs can cause hallucinations, paranoia, a rapid heart rate and suicidal thoughts.

Olean Police Capt. Robert Blovsky said several local people had been recently hospitalized after abusing these substances and displaying suicidal behavior.

"We talked to some of the people who were brought to the hospital after failed suicide attempts. They admitted to us that they were using these bath salts and got a high off of them by either smoking the drug, snorting it or injecting it into themselves. It is scary stuff that can make you feel very paranoid and sometimes suicidal. It is important that people in our community are aware of the dangers of using these bath salts," Blovsky said.

The drugs are sold mostly as white, powdery substances that contain active ingredients like methylenedioxyphenethylamine, which produces the same effects as cocaine or ecstasy. In addition to bath salts, the chemicals can be found in plant foods that are sold legally at convenience stores all across the state and via the Internet.

"These products aren't being used for the purposes on the label and are not the same type of stuff people toss into their tubs to take a relaxing bath. They are very dangerous and it is shocking how easily anyone, including our kids, can get their hands on these potentially deadly drugs," Sen. Young said.

The highly hallucinogenic and potentially lethal drug was recovered from the vehicle of two Warren County men, Troy Johnson, 29, and Terry Sumrow, 28, who were recently discovered dead at the Allegany National Forest in Pennsylvania. A toxicology report has yet to determine the cause of deaths.

"It's surprising that something that would seem to be harmless actually is so dangerous," Sen. Young said.

According to the Upstate New York Poison Center in Syracuse, there have been eight bath salts cases across the state that have been managed medically since the beginning of the year.

T. Michele Caliva, Poison Center administrative director, said while eight cases may not seem like a significant number, it is actually quite high.

"Poison Centers are only made aware of those cases where an individual develops symptoms and those symptoms are significant enough for a family member or friend to be concerned so that they bring them into a health care facility or they scare the person that is abusing the drug or chemical and they seek care on their own. This also reflects only those cases where a patient admits to abusing bath salts," Ms. Caliva said. "Eight cases since the beginning of this year is a red flag that this drug is out there and is being abused in the general public. For every one case that is called into the Center there are numerous incidences where a person is abusing but does not seek health care.''

Sen. Young is co-sponsoring legislation that would criminalize both the possession and distribution of these products that contain many different methamphetamine-like chemicals.

"I am certainly in support of this bill because of the effects these drugs are having in communities throughout the country. We are now seeing this drug pop up in our area and there is a real concern in the way it is being marketed toward our young people,'' said Harry Snellings, Jamestown police chief and public safety director.

There have been more than 1,400 reported cases of these dangerous types of bath salts used in the United States since September 2010, according to the National Poison Data System, and more than 1,100 of those cases have occurred since Jan. 1.

Products containing these hallucinogenic chemicals have already been banned in countries like the United Kingdom, Australia and Canada.

In the United States, the substances have been banned in Florida, North Dakota and Louisiana and there is pending legislation in Kentucky, New Jersey and Oklahoma.


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from http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S3322-2011

Quote:


BILL NUMBER:S3322

TITLE OF BILL:
An act
to amend the public health law, in relation to establishing certain
additional substances as Schedule I opiate controlled substances

PURPOSE:
To prohibit the sale or distribution of any product containing,
3,4-Methylenedioxyrnethcathinone (Methylone), 3,4-
Methyenedixypyrovalerone (MDPV), 4- Methymethcathinone (Mephedrone),
4- methoxymethcathinone, 4-Fluronnethcathinone, 3-Fluoromethcathinone.


SUMMARY OF PROVISIONS:
Section One- Subdivision (b) of Schedule I of section 3306 of the
public health law is amended by adding six new paragraphs
56,57,58,59,60 and 61.

Section Two- Sets forth the effective date.

JUSTIFICATION:
Many recent news reports have brought to light the use of products
claiming to be bath salts as a drug. Some of the names that the pseudo
bath salts have been sold under are Cloud Nine, Scarface, White Dove,
Charge +, White Lightning, Ivory Wave, Hurricane Charlie, Red Dove,
and Ocean. These products can be purchased legally through the mail
or on the Internet.
The product is marketed as bath salts or plant food. However, through
the Internet, consumers of this product are able to find out how to
use this product as a drug.

This drug is snorted by users who then experience a high. However, it
is being reported that users of this product are having disturbing
side effects that are lasting days after ingesting drug. Some of the
side effects include extreme paranoia, hallucinations, delusions,
agitations, hypertension, chest pains, headaches and suicidal thoughts.

This bill will not outlaw true bath salts that are on the market. When
comparing ingredients of real bath salts (Boots Botanics Invigorating
Bath Salts, Burt's Bees Therapeutic Bath Crystals, etc) to the pseudo
bath salts there is no mention of any of the following chemicals:
3,4-Methylenedioxymethcathinone (Methylone), 3,4-
Methyenedixypyrovalerone (MDPV), 4Methymethcathinone (Mephedrone), 4-
methoxymethcathinone, 4-Flurormethcathinone, 3-Fluoromethcathinone. In
the fake bath salts at least one of the above chemicals is mentioned
in the ingredients.

Products containing 3,4-Methylenedioxymethcathinone (Methylone),
3,4Methyenedixypyrovalerone (MDPV), 4- Methymethcathinone
(Mephedrone), 4methoxymethcathinone, 4-Flurormethcathinone,
3-Fluoromethcathinone have already been banned in the United Kingdom

as well as Australia and Canada, Florida, North Dakota and Louisiana
has already banned these substances and there is pending legislation
in Kentucky and Oklahoma as of January 2011.

LEGISLATIVE HISTORY:
This is a new bill.

FISCAL IMPLICATIONS:
None.

EFFECTIVE DATE:
This act shall take effect on the thirtieth (30) day
after it shall have become law.






from http://www.nysenate.gov/press-release/sen-griffo-pushes-measure-fight-over-counter-sales-meth-substances

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A person found possessing manufacturing, or distributing any of these substances would face a class C felony for criminal possession of a controlled substance.




Edited by 5-HT2A (04/17/11 07:40 PM)


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Re: Young Sponsors Bill To Ban Certain Bath Salts (New York State) [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14306726 - 04/17/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Of course the obvious answer is prohibition, seeing how it has worked so well in the past.

Why does it always need to be the fault of the substance and not that of the idiot?


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Re: Young Sponsors Bill To Ban Certain Bath Salts (New York State) [Re: wally_world]
    #14306871 - 04/17/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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wally_world said:
Why does it always need to be the fault of the substance and not that of the idiot?




Because if safety were really the primary concern of politicians prohibition wouldn't be their solution.


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Re: Young Sponsors Bill To Ban Certain Bath Salts (New York State) [Re: Remix]
    #14306909 - 04/17/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Because if safety were really the primary concern of politicians prohibition wouldn't be their solution.





true.


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Re: Young Sponsors Bill To Ban Certain Bath Salts (New York State) [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14307022 - 04/17/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yep, I believe methylone is on there.  It's already banned in Florida.  And I'm pretty sure I saw an article that actually listed the chemicals, and methylone was one of them.  Stock up.


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Re: Young Sponsors Bill To Ban Certain Bath Salts (New York State) [Re: BothHands]
    #14307106 - 04/17/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

does real medical use meth really compare to these chemicals


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Re: Young Sponsors Bill To Ban Certain Bath Salts (New York State) [Re: BothHands]
    #14307478 - 04/17/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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BothHands said:
Yep, I believe methylone is on there.  It's already banned in Florida.  And I'm pretty sure I saw an article that actually listed the chemicals, and methylone was one of them.  Stock up.



I want to try this methylone. I hear nothing but good reviews. :rofl:


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Re: Young Sponsors Bill To Ban Certain Bath Salts (New York State) [Re: Darklight203]
    #14307507 - 04/17/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

why's that funny? :confused:


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Re: Young Sponsors Bill To Ban Certain Bath Salts (New York State) [Re: BothHands]
    #14308070 - 04/17/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Think add meds are better than bath salts from what i have been told. If thats true go to the doc if you like that kinda thing.


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Re: Young Sponsors Bill To Ban Certain Bath Salts (New York State) [Re: 2jew4u]
    #14308097 - 04/17/11 06:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Better than MDPV, maybe, but nothing a doctor can give you is better than methylone.  Methylone might not be quite as good as 100% pure MDMA, but it comes close.  And considering how impossible it is to know exactly what's in your molly or rolls, methylone takes quite an advantage there.  Sucks it's illegal in Florida now though. :gc:

Only got to try it twice.


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Re: Young Sponsors Bill To Ban Certain Bath Salts (New York State) [Re: BothHands]
    #14308706 - 04/17/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So how does this stuff compare to mdma as far as the effects are concerned?

I take it the effects are quite similar, so is there the horrible crash the day after?

Also, is this stuff safe? Obviously people are dying, but could this be related to ingesting way too much and/or obtaining a low quality form of the chemical?


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Re: Young Sponsors Bill To Ban Certain Bath Salts (New York State) [Re: wally_world]
    #14308734 - 04/17/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

People are dying on MDPV, and methylone is being banned in the crossfire.

MDPV is much more similar in action to cocaine.  I've never personally tried it, so I can't tell you how the subjective effects compare.

Methylone is like MDMA, except it's 3 times weaker at releasing serotonin, so you need to take 3 times the dose.  But it's equally as potent at releasing dopamine and norepinephrine as MDMA.  So by increasing the dose 3 fold, you get a 3 fold increase in speedy effects over MDMA.  This makes it slightly less pleasant if you like the dreamy feel, but it's still enormously euphoric.


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Re: Young Sponsors Bill To Ban Certain Bath Salts (New York State) [Re: wally_world]
    #14309605 - 04/17/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

wally_world said:
So how does this stuff compare to mdma as far as the effects are concerned?

I take it the effects are quite similar, so is there the horrible crash the day after?

Also, is this stuff safe? Obviously people are dying, but could this be related to ingesting way too much and/or obtaining a low quality form of the chemical?




I find that methylone feels more like a stimulant than MDMA does. It's shorter-lasting and the high tends to "drop away" suddenly rather than fading out smoothly. Particularly with high doses/redoses, I find it has a strongly stimulating comedown, with pronounced jaw clenching and inability to sleep. Redosing more than 30-60 minutes after initial dose, in my experience, makes the comedown much worse and doesn't prolong the desired empathogenic effects, only the stimulant effects. I've introduced numerous friends to methylone and I've never seen anyone have an adverse reaction beyond the usual comedown anxiety. Overall, it's not bad as long as you either avoid redosing or redose before the peak passes, and don't dose more than perhaps 200mg, maybe 250mg total. But I do greatly prefer MDMA. :grin:


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Re: Young Sponsors Bill To Ban Certain Bath Salts (New York State) [Re: BothHands]
    #14310014 - 04/18/11 12:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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BothHands said:
why's that funny? :confused:



It's only funny because of how I wrote the sentence. Saying a drug has had good reviews just is funny to me. I do hear good things about it, though.


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Re: Young Sponsors Bill To Ban Certain Bath Salts (New York State) [Re: Darklight203]
    #14313447 - 04/18/11 07:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Darklight203 said:

I want to try this methylone. I hear nothing but good reviews. :rofl:




IMO  3,4-Methylenedioxymethcathinone (Methylone), is weak and costly.    IMO These chemicals are dangerous there is no information about long term use. 

I have more than experimented with 4- Methymethcathinone
(Mephedrone).  It has long lasting effects that keep me from losing my temper,  but at a costwill  the withdrawl side effects are freaky and can last for weeks.          If you value Using Cannabis you find that smoking cannabis after abusing Mephedrone will give you anxiety.

I have read trip reports about Methyenedixypyrovalerone (MDPV) and they are enough to keep me away.

Stick to the Psilocybin Mushroom from a reliable source.


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Re: Young Sponsors Bill To Ban Certain Bath Salts (New York State) [Re: downlowfunk]
    #14316272 - 04/19/11 09:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yea it seems to make it out to seem, like its crazy shit people jumping off shit etc, But memory is short, didnt people do the same shit off meth? Or some other shit, They say L, Sh00mz,Mdma, or what not, did the same shit, But so did prozac, remember all those kids that killed them selves on that shit.  think it all really comes down to personal chemistry.  But really depends on the toxicity of the drug.


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