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Shortage of ADHD drugs sends parents scrambling
    #14305382 - 04/17/11 10:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

(Another sad story of American parents being temporarily unable to force their children to "enjoy" the dumb-them-down, intellect-raping educational style that keeps our most important rich assholes in power over the long run.)

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Nationwide shortages of popular drugs used to treat ADD and ADHD are sending parents scrambling, with some combing multiple pharmacies for the Adderall and Ritalin that keep their kids calm.

Molly Taylor, 46, of Worcester, Mass., was turned away empty-handed this week when she went to pick up prescriptions of Adderall XR for herself and her 16-year-old son, Luke.

“They don’t have them,” an incredulous Taylor told msnbc.com. “You could be waiting several days, which would have a HUGE impact. If you can’t get it that day, it’s very, very difficult.”

In the past two weeks, federal Food and Drug Administration officials added the drugs methylphenidate hydrochloride and amphetamine mixed salts, the generic names for Ritalin and Adderall, to an expanding list of national drug shortages. Some distributors cite manufacturing delays and increased demand as the reasons; others offer no explanation for the shortages.

But the American Society of Health-System Pharmacists, which tracks drug supply issues, has listed the products in short supply for nearly a month, and there have been regional reports of spotty shortages even before that.

“We have been following this for a bit,” said Erin Fox, manager of the Drug Information Service for the University of Utah Hospitals and Clinics, which runs the ASHP list, adding later: “This is a frustrating one for parents.”

5.4 million children have ADHD
In the United States, an estimated 5.4 million children ages 4 to 17 have ever been diagnosed with ADHD, or attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder, and 66 percent of those with current ADHD take medication to control the condition, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Last year, that amounted to 152 million units sold of Adderall and Adderall XR, the extended-release version of the pill, 35 million units of Ritalin and nearly 702 million units of generic ADHD drugs, with sales totaling more than $1.2 billion, according to data from Wolters Kluwer Pharma Solutions.

For millions of children — and adults — the stimulant medications ease the symptoms of ADHD, allowing them to control distracted thoughts and behavior well enough to participate in school, work and social life.

The drugs are taken daily, but when patients miss even one dose, the consequences can be swift, said Ruth Hughes, interim chief executive of the organization CHADD, Children and Adults with Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder.

“The symptoms come back very quickly,” said Hughes, who is the mother of an adult son with ADHD. “If you start that spiral, within 24 hours you begin to get in the loop of negative feedback. It doesn’t take very long until it has a truly negative impact.”

The current shortages affect various doses of the medications supplied by several manufacturers of brand-name and generic drugs. That means patients who find they can’t get their usual prescriptions might be able to find a similar drug in a different strength, made by a different manufacturer.

However, because the drugs are tightly controlled by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, prescriptions are doled out only a month at a time, and patients have to visit their doctors in order to authorize new drugs, which could be more expensive than the old ones.

“At the very least, it’s an inconvenience and there may be additional costs,” said Dr. Andrew Adesman, chief of developmental and behavioral pediatrics at Steven & Alexandra Cohen Children’s Medical Center of New York. “Unfortunately, it’s going to be trial and error.”

The shortages could last weeks or months, according to manufacturers' notes to the FDA.

For some families, that may mean visiting multiple pharmacies, Adesman said. One CHADD member had to try 13 pharmacies before she could find the correct dose of her drug.

“In most cases, you’re not thinking ahead,” noted Taylor, the Massachusetts mom.

Fortunately, Taylor had squirreled away five pills apiece for her and her son, just in case of insurance delays or other emergencies. For a few more days, Taylor is OK. But once her stash is gone, she worries about how long it might take to replace the drug.

Without Adderall XR, her son’s concentration in sports and school may suffer. In many families, life becomes just generally more difficult.

“You don’t even realize how much of a spider web effect this is,” she said. “It affects everything.”

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Re: Shortage of ADHD drugs sends parents scrambling [Re: 5-HT2A] * 2
    #14305469 - 04/17/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Without Adderall XR, her son’s concentration in sports and school may suffer. In many families, life becomes just generally more difficult.

“You don’t even realize how much of a spider web effect this is,” she said. “It affects everything.”




It's funny to see that the population doesn't realize that their drug DEPENDENCE/ADDICTION is the issue. Because it is legal they don't think of it as a speed drug. How is it that adderall is fine to make your child a better sports player but 'steroids' are a obvious no-no. Funny the way it is.:rolleyes:

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Re: Shortage of ADHD drugs sends parents scrambling [Re: sporophight] * 1
    #14305571 - 04/17/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

huh.. I just found my old adderall script back from Oct 2010 and they filled it no problems. He looked at me funny but I just told him I lost it. I coulda swore my doc told me I had to see him before the end of the year before I could have any more..

I don't even like them anymore, but with my new insurance it was only 10 dollars. I wonder what states have shortages? For research purposes, of course :evil2:






And giving kids amps?.. yeah just brilliant for the developing brain:rolleyes: Why not give them meth too? Oh right, they do Desoxyn

Why not cocaine? Why not heroin to bring em down smoothly at the end of the day? why not?


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Re: Shortage of ADHD drugs sends parents scrambling [Re: AsAboveSoBelow] * 1
    #14305701 - 04/17/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Holy shit I didnt know they still sold meth as a pharmaceutical pill. What the fuck? Weed is schedule one and meth can be obtained with a prescription. :ffffuuu: my head is going to explode

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    #14306043 - 04/17/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Shortage of ADHD drugs sends parents scrambling [Re: mikehauncho]
    #14306071 - 04/17/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It couldnt be, the drug companies wouldn't allow a drug to be prescribed to little kids if it did that.

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Re: Shortage of ADHD drugs sends parents scrambling [Re: thissongis]
    #14307546 - 04/17/11 04:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I had ADHD in high school, which I think they only got part of it right. There were a lot of family problems happening at the time as well, which played a big role in my time at school. There was only one other in my school and he was way too hyper/aggressive to be without medication. I understand your point on them pushing one drug, but denying people a much safer drug. But ADD/ADHD does exist, even if they're just mis-labeling things like depression, PTSD, Asbergers and other conditions. In high school I was given different drugs, some helped, some didn't. Imipramine was my favorite. Made me feel every minute was 10. Welbutrin was quite weak and I didn't notice any difference. Ritalin was the one the doctors stuck with. It seemed to do the best. I was eventually allergic to Imipramine.
To this day I need some kind of medication, and I just don't know what it is. Thank god I'm going back home to see some good doctors.


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Re: Shortage of ADHD drugs sends parents scrambling [Re: Darklight203]
    #14308124 - 04/17/11 06:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

They think that it will motivate kids to do stuff really, what do parents want their kids to do shit. what about all the parents that are on it to, cuz if lil bobby and suzy have add why not the parents. And wow they get more shit done at work etc. its the "cure all"  Really how long do they want you to focus,and Pay attention to stuff.  Any more than 4 hours and your tweaking out lol.

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Re: Shortage of ADHD drugs sends parents scrambling [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14308462 - 04/17/11 07:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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5-HT2A said:
(Another sad story of American parents being temporarily unable to force their children to "enjoy" the dumb-them-down, intellect-raping educational style that keeps our most important rich assholes in power over the long run.)




That is a hard sentence to read... but yet, I agree.

Kind of tossed up on the add adhd thing. Sure some kids can benifit but for the most part I think just a healthy lifestyle would benefit most of em better.

Some things in my world just make me :facepalm:

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Re: Shortage of ADHD drugs sends parents scrambling [Re: 4runner]
    #14308608 - 04/17/11 08:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My brother is mid/adhd and I can for sure say he benifited from adderall/ritalin when he was in school, but stopped taking it when he got out of school and my dad stopped paying for his insurance. I wish he would get back on it now that his brain has developed so much more than what it was (he was about 13 in the head when he was 18. He cant keep his thoughts on track or tell a story without getting frustrated. I told him to try smoking weed but he wont :\ He also gained a good 30 pounds after he got taken off of it.

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Re: Shortage of ADHD drugs sends parents scrambling [Re: Darklight203]
    #14308957 - 04/17/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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But ADD/ADHD does exist



Definitely. There are people with ADHD who need medication. If you don't agree with that, you've never met them. Annoying as hell.

As for ADD, I say it's just people who have short attention spans. I have ADD and I'll zone out on tests for minutes at a time if I don't actively put an effort into staying focused. I don't take medication though because the withdraw is a bitch. For anything that can do that to you, you should try to avoid in the first place.

Just so everyone knows, while doctors can't sell your medical records, insurance companies can. Buyers can include your potential employers if they are a large enough company.

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Re: Shortage of ADHD drugs sends parents scrambling [Re: Rabid Jelly Bean]
    #14310008 - 04/18/11 12:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's not fair, but nothing is in life. People would rather pass it off as big pharm making a buck(which obviously they did). The odd thing is, once in a while, they're right. When I was going to school, ADD/ADHD was just hitting the streets hard. Widespread panic from parents due to stupid articles in newspapers and from doctors. "Oh god, my kid has sucky grades and can't focus, let's get him on this drug!" is exactly how it happened. I'm sure they handed it out like candy. For lots of kids, they were just having shitty childhoods, at home and at school. For some of us, it actually helps.


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Re: Shortage of ADHD drugs sends parents scrambling [Re: Rabid Jelly Bean]
    #14311022 - 04/18/11 09:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Rabid Jelly Bean said:
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Darklight203 said:
But ADD/ADHD does exist



Definitely. There are people with ADHD who need medication. If you don't agree with that, you've never met them. Annoying as hell.

As for ADD, I say it's just people who have short attention spans. I have ADD and I'll zone out on tests for minutes at a time if I don't actively put an effort into staying focused. I don't take medication though because the withdraw is a bitch. For anything that can do that to you, you should try to avoid in the first place.

Just so everyone knows, while doctors can't sell your medical records, insurance companies can. Buyers can include your potential employers if they are a large enough company.




Having a short attention span is not a disease. It's a sign the education system is trying to force irrelevant shit down your kid's throat and he senses it. Kids sense things better than adults due to the sponginess of their psyche.

You'll also be interested to know that as concentration and performance increase, creativity decreases. People who are creative naturally have wandering minds, and due to the large amount of time I have spent around teachers and in the educational system, both public and private and higher and lower, I am convinced a huge component of this need to "medicate" kids is due to the desire by those in high places to damage their creative abilities intentionally. As George Carlin put it: "They want obedient workers."

A minority of ADHD diagnoses are legitimate, most are just an excuse to force your kid to find pleasure in monotonous activities designed to dumb him down and create conformity so society can go on pretending that nothing is wrong with itself.

Think there's as much ADHD in France, or Germany as in the U.S? I would bet not.

Also it's amazing how so many people forget the amphetamine addiction epidemic of the 50's. This is the same thing except rebranded and put into a time-release formula.

And thanks for the insurance info.

Edited by 5-HT2A (04/18/11 09:13 AM)

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Re: Shortage of ADHD drugs sends parents scrambling [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14311210 - 04/18/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

In addition to what 5-HT2A said, you have to consider that like "anti-depressants" one can use any number of drugs (at the right dose) to increase concentration and "curb ADD". I would be willing to bet that the minor changes in consciousness offered from small doses of stimulants (like Ritalin) taken for ADD are what really reinforces and motivates those who use them... and not the particular drugs themselves. Many people claim smoking pot or having a few glasses of wine allows them to concentrate better. I've even read reports from a few people on this forum who claim they have used small amounts of mescaline and LSA in the same vein with descent results.


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Re: Shortage of ADHD drugs sends parents scrambling [Re: Remix]
    #14311486 - 04/18/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I found DHA Omega 3 flax seed oil does the trick well for me. So does smoking a joint though! :cool:

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Re: Shortage of ADHD drugs sends parents scrambling [Re: batman returns]
    #14311971 - 04/18/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nevermind.


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Re: Shortage of ADHD drugs sends parents scrambling [Re: Darklight203]
    #14321591 - 04/20/11 05:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yawn. At least they are still making them. The FDA's rules have made companies stop producing my migraine pills, which are safer than anything out there....

OMG, our kids will actully be kids now. God forbid that these parents actually know what their kids real personalities are. Or that they actually have to deal with the kids they created.


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Re: Shortage of ADHD drugs sends parents scrambling [Re: sandi]
    #14322192 - 04/20/11 09:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah man, I totally don't even know how the human race got to this point without Adderall and Ritalin


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Re: Shortage of ADHD drugs sends parents scrambling [Re: AsAboveSoBelow]
    #14322232 - 04/20/11 09:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It is a wonder...

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    #14323549 - 04/20/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

They have been handing that shit out to housewives back in the 40's- 70's why do you think you get joan cleaver-  Twacked out house wives can get everything done and enjoy cleaning, then they figured out that speed made children calm- Blam the cure all pill

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