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DMT Extraction - Layers not separating?
    #14305316 - 04/17/11 09:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've done extractions before. I'm not sure what is going on this time, but for some reason the layers of Naphtha and lye/bark/water are not separating fast enough. I mix the stuff as soon as I see there's a separation, but when I've done it before I used to be able to mix it about 8 times a day.

The problem was I took out about 200 mL of naphtha yesterday, but the problem is I put about 350-almost 400 mL of naphtha in there 3 days ago... and I don't get where the naphtha is going?

Last night I added another 300 mL, and this was around 10 Pm. It's now 12 hours later, and only about 1/4 of the naphtha I added yesterday has separated.

Did I do something wrong?

I'm doing a 250 gram lye and 250 gram bark extraction.

My room is a little cold, but I even used a heating pad on "low" and a lamp on it when I was trying to get it to separate, but it didn.t

I mean they can't readily mix together because the solvent is nonpolar, so I don't understand what's going wrong here?

Any help would be great. I'd post this in chemistry but I don't know if it's a chemistry problem.

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14305333 - 04/17/11 09:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I've done extractions before. I'm not sure what is going on this time, but for some reason the layers of Naphtha and lye/bark/water are not separating fast enough. I mix the stuff as soon as I see there's a separation, but when I've done it before I used to be able to mix it about 8 times a day.

The problem was I took out about 200 mL of naphtha yesterday, but the problem is I put about 350-almost 400 mL of naphtha in there 3 days ago... and I don't get where the naphtha is going?

Last night I added another 300 mL, and this was around 10 Pm. It's now 12 hours later, and only about 1/4 of the naphtha I added yesterday has separated.

Did I do something wrong?

I'm doing a 250 gram lye and 250 gram bark extraction.


My room is a little cold, but I even used a heating pad on "low" and a lamp on it when I was trying to get it to separate, but it didn.t

I mean they can't readily mix together because the solvent is nonpolar, so I don't understand what's going wrong here?

Any help would be great. I'd post this in chemistry but I don't know if it's a chemistry problem.





It sounds to me like you may have added a little too much naptha.  It may have done a kind of super-saturation kind of deal causing it to not separate well. Did you shake your jar, or just roll it around to mix it?

I know you want the process to hurry, but my advice would be to keep the jar warm, and just let it sit for a day. See how its doing, and depending on how much comes out, let it sit for another day.


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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14305376 - 04/17/11 10:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

And I do it over 3 days because if I repeat this step 2-3x, I ALWAYS get over 1% yield with this method.

There "might" be more water than usual in the mix, but I don't see why that would make the nonpolar solvent and the polar water not separate?

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: bholzer]
    #14305385 - 04/17/11 10:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Do you mean let it sit for a day without mixing it, just letting it sit on a heating pad on low or something for a few hours?

And I may have used too much naphtha, but since it's 250 g I figured 250-400 mL was a good number.

Also, it's in my closet which is kind of cold (around 70 degrees tops)

this might contribute, BUT, like I said, I did the same method before. Every single step, and I had much more naphtha. The 200-300 mL I took out last night I put in the freezer just to see what's up. Then I'll save the naphtha I have now and take out the stuff I put in and do it again. Hopefully getting around 2 grams.

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: bholzer]
    #14305411 - 04/17/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

When I have this problem adding a bit more water to the mix helps it separate.

Why so much napatha though? I normally put in 40-60 ml per pull. Any more than that and it seems you just end up with a less saturated napatha solution per pull. Ime. Maybe your using a larger jar than I do, Idk, just figured I would throw that out there.

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14305415 - 04/17/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Do you mean let it sit for a day without mixing it, just letting it sit on a heating pad on low or something for a few hours?

And I may have used too much naphtha, but since it's 250 g I figured 250-400 mL was a good number.

Also, it's in my closet which is kind of cold (around 70 degrees tops)

this might contribute, BUT, like I said, I did the same method before. Every single step, and I had much more naphtha. The 200-300 mL I took out last night I put in the freezer just to see what's up. Then I'll save the naphtha I have now and take out the stuff I put in and do it again. Hopefully getting around 2 grams.




It does seem odd that you've used the same method, but are getting results. Sometimes weird shit just happens.

Yea, I would let it sit on the heating pad on a low setting for a good bit longer than usual. Try not to disturb it so that the naptha has less reason to sink into the lye-water.


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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: bholzer]
    #14305528 - 04/17/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well the normal STB tek by Nature_Boy had 100 grams lye/bark and added 150 mL of naphtha.

And I'm using a windshield wiper sized jug. I'm telling you, this worked wonderfully before. I use this much napthha because 100 mL in a jug this size is SOOO hard to get out because it makes such a thin looking layer than when I pipette the naphta out, I get a bunch of dirty stuff (I am very careful though and I do a sodium carbonate wash as well as a re-X everytime)

And like I already said, I ALREADY have more water in the mix than any extraction I've ever done. Should I still add water? I don't want to ruin the method.

The only difference is I got my powdered bark frmo another source (I know about the trouble with powdered bark, so this jug method factors in extra water anyway already, ironically enough haha).

If I should still add water or some lye or something, be sure to let me know.

As of now I'm holding off on the water until you guys say or say not to. Then I'll, once I get home from work in 8 hours, I'll use my heating pad and let it sit for about 2-3 hours.

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14305605 - 04/17/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes I would add more water. You can add more lye too if you want to be sure the ph stays right, but I wouldnt say adding lye would be necessary. Powdered bark is reported by many to need some extra water to separate properly and that has been my experience also.


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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14305623 - 04/17/11 11:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

With powdered bark a good Acid/base extraction is alot better then a STB. I would not even bother with STB, its a good tek to get into extractions but there are alot better ones out there.  Acid/Bases are great since you have no root bark material left in the solution when you add the naphtha, you also use way less sodium hydroxide which is a plus and I find the end result alot more pure then STB .


Well that's my 2 cents hope it helps

Edited by Mushroom25 (04/17/11 11:06 AM)

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Mushroom25]
    #14305662 - 04/17/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's a bit late for that. He's already doing a STB.


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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: vegantoker]
    #14305668 - 04/17/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yea, My post was more or less for future reference,

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Mushroom25]
    #14305729 - 04/17/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'll add water before work and report back on what happened later. Ciao!

My crystals in my freezer from the 200-300 mL look nice  :smile:

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14305754 - 04/17/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Cool, I hope it works for you. :deemsters:


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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14305766 - 04/17/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I'll add water before work and report back on what happened later. Ciao!





How much water did you start with?

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14306280 - 04/17/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Stop all the speculating.  I know where the naphtha is.  The naphtha is mechanically caught up in the spaces in the pieces of bark aka "the interstices".  If you tap on the jar with your palm and hold the jar up to a strong light, you will see tiny "bubbles" of it float up like carbonation in a beer glass.

Not to worry.  When you put the rest of your naphtha back in the jar and agitate, some portion of the volume of "lost" naphtha will naturally exchange itself with the recently added stuff.  Eventually, when the bark is completely macerated by the lye, all the naphtha will be released and recovered.

This phenomena happens to a greater or lesser degree every time.  Its normal!!!  What surprises me most is you never noticed it before!  :lol:

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14307549 - 04/17/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Stop all the speculating.  I know where the naphtha is.  The naphtha is mechanically caught up in the spaces in the pieces of bark aka "the interstices".  If you tap on the jar with your palm and hold the jar up to a strong light, you will see tiny "bubbles" of it float up like carbonation in a beer glass.

Not to worry.  When you put the rest of your naphtha back in the jar and agitate, some portion of the volume of "lost" naphtha will naturally exchange itself with the recently added stuff.  Eventually, when the bark is completely macerated by the lye, all the naphtha will be released and recovered.

This phenomena happens to a greater or lesser degree every time.  Its normal!!!  What surprises me most is you never noticed it before!  :lol:

N.B.



Ha I might have noticed it, I just never thought anything of it. What do I do from this point? I added a little bit of water and the naphtha level is still the same as where it was before I left for work 5 hours ago.

Should I add anything? I still have the naphtha that was in the freezer that I can add if necessary, but this time I used about 300 mL of naphtha when I put it in the jug.

Thanks again everyone, especially NB! You're always so helpful with my questions :smile:

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14309451 - 04/17/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Anyone know? I have the naphtha from the freezing step left over (got about .4 grams so far.. which is diappointing!)
Should I add this napthha to the mix or wait for the rest of the naphtha already in there to separate?

The naphtha in the jar still has not separated.

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14309974 - 04/18/11 12:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think adding more water or napatha is going to hurt anything. I say try  more water/lye and if that doesn't work add more napatha. I like my jars to separate out within 30 minutes at most and if they don't, adding water has always fixed the problem for me. I just use quart size ball jars though.

Are you even getting a thin layer of napatha? I ask because with what nature boy said in mind it might be your jug causing you problems. A smaller diameter jar would make any layer of napatha you might be getting thicker. You know what I mean?

Let us know if you get it to work I'd like to know what the solution to this problem ends up being.

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14310165 - 04/18/11 01:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Adding some rock salt should do the trick.


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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: muistrue]
    #14311924 - 04/18/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I added the naphtha because I realized I had NO extra jar for it.. lol. But what I ended up doing was having my jug under my bed near the vent so it gets hot (not sure if it's too hot or not...) but it's definitely not as cold as my closet.

It separated a lot, and it just seemed overall to be a better choice.

I think I'll keep it under my bed because I don't see the heating system of my house raising the temperature to 70 and the vent heating it up to run it.

Like I said before, I don't care how dirty my naphtha is in terms of dark color or whatever, I do a sodium carbonate wash as well as recrystallization.

Should I keep it under my bed or am I running the risk of it getting too hot and becoming DMT-n-Oxide?

That's the last thing I want.

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