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How Reverse Hydroponic Mushrooms came from a Soda Pop Bottle * 1
    #14303885 - 04/16/11 11:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It was back in the about the year 2004 wrote an interesting letter personally to the staff of the Ahroomery but did not post my writings directly on the site, and I encouraged them to improve on them or share them as they would and it sure worked out well.  I wrote a couple of years ago to express how the integration of reverse-hydroponics along with the PF Fanaticus techniques could yield inexpensive and maintenance free cultivation to also point out how in the meantime on the many posts my original design, which had been developed in prototype was needing to be taken to a bulk casing level.

Well this is how I got there.  The old idea of daily hydration with spraying while trying to avoid getting direct moisture on the cakes, expensive terrariums and tediousness of twice daily manual disposal of carbon dioxide which largely worked to create opportunities for contamination by opening the terrarium environment in some cases led me to invent a method of reverse hydroponics but I was like on this really limited budget and scale, so I'd been looking at how to make inoculation hoods out of cardboard boxes with plastic sheeting and tape to keep the ridiculous expenses down.  Well there was a method where someone had been putting a flask of water inside of a terrarium and bubbling air through that to keep the cultures at a higher level of hydration which was accomplished by sending air through the water in the beaker or in conjunction with angel hair in the terrarium then with more limited daily spraying they were still keeping a high humidity which was important.  All my systems have been 95% humidity I would guess.  And it all started with the idea of the Hobbo's terrarium... not the one in a plastic bag, the one that was in a 2-liter soda bottle sawed in half.  The cake was set on a moist paper towel in the bottom half, and you would manually move carbon dioxide out of the single cake terrarium two times per day, and sprayed as necessary trying not to directly wet the cake again.  I thought it would be a good idea to just undo the lid and apply the end of a vacuum hose twice a day rather than opening the environment to keep down on exposure to bacterium.  But I conceived of an altogether better concept and system of application that in prototype built upon this cheep design and significantly produced an automated system of reverse hydroponic growing.  So I made a second bottom for the 2-liter bottle and soldered twelve holes in the first bottom so they could be set into a liquid barrier penetrating through the holes into the second chamber to within 1 inch of the top of a bed of perlite. W
air was then run through a tube into the bottom chamber containing the water and had an individual bubblier tube in my original design.  I advised that really get as much as 10 individual pods going from a single 20-30 gallon aquarium pump with splitters but that was streching it.  I wrote to point out how in our each following up on the information as it was apparent that the prototype had been 100% successful which is why I wrote to you about the new technique and that it was clear that it was necessary to move into a bulk casing system that two years later when I checked back at the Shroomery everyone had done just that and I wanted to congratulate everyone for thinking along the same lines as me who use this method.  The people at the Shroomery eliminated the idea of the nested bottom and proposed floating the perlite on a level of sterilized water in a single terrerium.  But there was something I had found out from my earlier work with individual pods before the plastic tubs were introduced and that was that the bublier tubes were a completely unnecessary expense.  You didn't need fine bubbles rising up everywhere, just a strong and consistent exchange of the atmosphere so I had already gotten rid of that method instead I ran a single tube round the bottom of the tub connected to a t-splitter valve that was inserted into a hole burned into the side of the tub.  This tube had been drilled at about 8 equal points on each half so that a single hole existed.  This was sufficient to allow a constant adequate exchange of atmosphere, and without angel hair or any special ingredients and which worked perfectly, maintaining a balmy 95% humidity and insured a constant outward flowing pressure of air to remove carbon dioxiced and keep out contaminants and to hydrate the environment. 

I wrote because I felt that the direct growing on a bed of perlite as I had proposed or of pumice which the shroomery had proposed as an alternate is a messy business.  I don't know whoever said to ever reuse perlite they are an idiot.  It's cheep it's, contaminated throw it away.

Well in all kindness I wanted to share my two best thoughts with you on how the bulk casing of my original reverse hydroponic technique of growing might be yet better improved. There's problems with growing the cakes in direct contact with vulcanized glass.  It allows the mycelium to grow incorporating it into the root of the fruits.  This creates terrible issues with the frequent need to both rinse and to even dig out perlite which had been incorporated into the mycelium and in spite of losing psilocybin even through the running of cold water over them, the buising and the production of psyilosin just made for a poor presentation.  So this is what I finally decided on.  Remembering how the Hobo's Terrerium sat a cake on a paper towel saturated with water, I decided to just use plain old bleached white coffee filters for each of the 15 cakes I can lay in a tub.  Another thought had been to sterilize this fine black mesh sheets made of nylon thread and sterilize squares of it it and line or line the bottom with that.  But one of the two is bound to be the best option, even if you may want to change out the coffee filter from time to time.  I'm gonna have someone checking into that and I think it will perfect this system and work perfectly so you're finally able to just "pluck Fruits, there's not a lot of rinsing or cleaning involved like with roots.

I just think dessication products are so such a waste of time.  If you've got a round high turbo air fan like you would use in your living room, you can tilt those straight up and lay your evaporation trays from your food processors on them and it works just great because they've got a strong flow of air. No problems with heating elements and the motors are just less problematic where you've got a fan.  you keep it on there a couple of extra days and they really get so dry here in my own arid state that you can do an Anubis culture and run a bunch of the primordia because they are such a dry powder through your coffee blender for a thrill.

I mean, really this is enough, you're not going to damage them by freezing.  There's really to little moisture left. You could safely  leave them in your freezer for a year without damage in sealed plastic bags.   

Well that's the news boys, good luck with what you're doing.  Oh yeah, and invest in a free cardboard box for an inoculation hood because the PF Fanaticus technique is great in principle, but there's no need to drill four holes in the lids and put electrical tape on them.  Save the trouble, use a cheep inoculation hood and spare more frustration and contamination and hassle for you.

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Re: How Reverse Hydroponic Mushrooms came from a Soda Pop Bottle [Re: jbbishop]
    #14303904 - 04/16/11 11:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: How Reverse Hydroponic Mushrooms came from a Soda Pop Bottle [Re: jbbishop]
    #14303959 - 04/16/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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in spite of losing psilocybin even through the running of cold water over them, the buising and the production of psyilosin just made for a poor presentation.




are you really a professor ?

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Re: How Reverse Hydroponic Mushrooms came from a Soda Pop Bottle [Re: jbbishop]
    #14304028 - 04/16/11 11:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

All that to tell us you built a humidifier and attached it to your FC?


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Re: How Reverse Hydroponic Mushrooms came from a Soda Pop Bottle [Re: Phanodude]
    #14304038 - 04/16/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:winning: I like pictures


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Re: How Reverse Hydroponic Mushrooms came from a Soda Pop Bottle [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14304315 - 04/17/11 01:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:laugh2: At the responses.


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Re: How Reverse Hydroponic Mushrooms came from a Soda Pop Bottle [Re: ChronicSmoke]
    #14304352 - 04/17/11 01:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

WHAT the french toast?


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Re: How Reverse Hydroponic Mushrooms came from a Soda Pop Bottle [Re: ChronicSmoke]
    #14304403 - 04/17/11 01:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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:laugh2: At the responses.




Seriously.  :lmao:

I am sure that I appreciate the effort though OP.


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Re: How Reverse Hydroponic Mushrooms came from a Soda Pop Bottle [Re: jbbishop]
    #14305021 - 04/17/11 08:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Well this is how I got there.  The old idea of daily hydration with spraying while trying to avoid getting direct moisture on the cakes, expensive terrariums and tediousness of twice daily manual disposal of carbon dioxide which largely worked to create opportunities for contamination by opening the terrarium environment in some cases led me to invent a method of reverse hydroponics but I was like on this really limited budget and scale, so I'd been looking at how to make inoculation hoods out of cardboard boxes with plastic sheeting and tape to keep the ridiculous expenses down.

Professor J. Bryant Bishop




You just went from misting, to fanning, to expensive terrariums, to your invention, to hydroponics, to low budgets, to contamination, to cardboard boxes, to plastic sheeting and tape, all in one sentence.  To make matters worse, there's still half a page of that shit which makes no more sense than the quote above. :facepalm:

Put down the crack pipe before you post again please.  Nobody has any more idea WTF you're talking about than you do. None of that conglomeration of endless text made a bit of sense.
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Re: How Reverse Hydroponic Mushrooms came from a Soda Pop Bottle [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14305032 - 04/17/11 08:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

look at the ROOTS of my HYDROPONIC mushrooms!:dudewtf:


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Re: How Reverse Hydroponic Mushrooms came from a Soda Pop Bottle [Re: SomeGuy]
    #14305179 - 04/17/11 09:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

this dude is a professor and hes never misted a cake directly?
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Re: How Reverse Hydroponic Mushrooms came from a Soda Pop Bottle [Re: jbbishop] * 1
    #14474247 - 05/18/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I question your integrity Moderator.  How many of my sentences have you edited out of my original posting?  No wonder no one on here can understand it, it's been hacked to bits!  If any of it had to do with copyright infringement I have carefully altered my wording here. 

ABSTRACT:
I originally proposed a prototype of an original idea that I refer to as "reverse hydroponics," which is blowing air directly through a water layer underneath the growing chamber.  This maintained 95%+ humidity and eliminated the necessity of Angel Hair air and UltraSonic Humidifiers which were under discussion at that time (around 2003).

You edited out how at one point you had banned my IP address after I posted a message discussing issues relevant to the reverse hydroponics technique (which I had emailed you all with the prototype before we moved on to bulk casing) and concerns about growing in Perlite several years ago.

Here's 2 important things edited out of this original post:

1.  If you live in a humid environment, get rid of desiccants by constructing a drying box if the fan isn't enough.  If you use the proper wattage of light bulb on a 24 hour timer it can be in the top section of the box so it does not show light on the material contained in a bottom section of the box with a proper divider.  If you measure the temperature you can find an appropriate setting that does not make the interior too hot.  The temperature should never exceed 110 degrees.

2.  You can eliminate half the use of your Perlite (which is quite cheep at a farmer's market by the way) and level out the surface upon which the cakes are stacked, preventing sinking into the Perlite layer as well, by first putting down a layer of Polyester Batting which is not susceptible to bacteria, and if desired even raise the water level, reducing any undesired overhead space depending on the tote you're using as a bulk casing medium.  The same material may be found in some swamp cooler filters: 100% polyester is a washable material that will not be susceptible to microbial growth.

So 5 improvements:

1. Get rid of the bubblier wands, unnecessary though included in the PF Fanaticus technique I drew from and included in my original designs.

2. Get rid of vulcanized glass growing into your roots by trying a sterile (small) coffee filter and replace under each cake with a fresh one when harvesting fruits.

3. Get rid of desiccants with a drying box.

4. Reduce the amount of Perlite and create an even growing surface by inputting an even layer of fresh sterile polyester before adding the water and Perlite.

5. Replace the food dehydrator (with or without a heating elements which would need to be disconnected) with one of those round turbo house fans that can be rotated to horizontal and stack your trays on that, moving the trays with drier material to the bottom of the stack as it drys.

THESE COMMENTS ONLY APPLY TO THE METHOD OF BULK CASING USING PLASTIC TERRARIUMS USING THE REVERSE HYDROPONIC TECHNIQUE OF BUBBLING AIR THROUGH STERILIZED WATER THROUGH A BED OF PERLITE, THUS RESULTING IN AUTOMATED PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE NECESSITY OF DAILY SPRAYING OR THE MANUAL REMOVAL OF CARBON DIOXIDE.

I congratulate everyone who has moved on to other methods that work well for them since the time of this design's introduction.  Nevertheless, I wanted to be sure that these improvements got posted thanks everyone for NOT flaming.

Professor J B Bishop


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Re: How Reverse Hydroponic Mushrooms came from a Soda Pop Bottle [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14474313 - 05/18/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

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Well this is how I got there.  The old idea of daily hydration with spraying while trying to avoid getting direct moisture on the cakes, expensive terrariums and tediousness of twice daily manual disposal of carbon dioxide which largely worked to create opportunities for contamination by opening the terrarium environment in some cases led me to invent a method of reverse hydroponics but I was like on this really limited budget and scale, so I'd been looking at how to make inoculation hoods out of cardboard boxes with plastic sheeting and tape to keep the ridiculous expenses down.

Professor J. Bryant Bishop




You just went from misting, to fanning, to expensive terrariums, to your invention, to hydroponics, to low budgets, to contamination, to cardboard boxes, to plastic sheeting and tape, all in one sentence.  To make matters worse, there's still half a page of that shit which makes no more sense than the quote above. :facepalm:

Put down the crack pipe before you post again please.  Nobody has any more idea WTF you're talking about than you do. None of that conglomeration of endless text made a bit of sense.
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Re: How Reverse Hydroponic Mushrooms came from a Soda Pop Bottle [Re: jbbishop]
    #14474336 - 05/18/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:awedrugs:



huh ?  :bubbles:


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~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
~~~~~Troubles harvesting the side and bottom pins in your mono? Learn how!! Dunking included ;-)~~~~~


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Re: How Reverse Hydroponic Mushrooms came from a Soda Pop Bottle [Re: deadmandave]
    #14474355 - 05/18/11 05:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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WHAT the french toast?




I like french toast:awetongue:


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    #14474359 - 05/18/11 05:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:notards:


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Re: How Reverse Hydroponic Mushrooms came from a Soda Pop Bottle [Re: ic3.qu33n]
    #14474368 - 05/18/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:hillbilly:


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I have FINALLY written up a couple teks as to how SHP has done things in the past. DISCLAIMER: This is not for the newbie to mycology, and not going to work for everyone! This is simply what works for one person when other teks and methods have failed miserably!
~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
~~~~~Troubles harvesting the side and bottom pins in your mono? Learn how!! Dunking included ;-)~~~~~


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Re: How Reverse Hydroponic Mushrooms came from a Soda Pop Bottle [Re: jbbishop]
    #14474420 - 05/18/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I question your integrity Moderator.  How many of my sentences have you edited out of my original posting?  No wonder no one on here can understand it, it's been hacked to bits!  If any of it had to do with copyright infringement I have carefully altered my wording here. 





no one has edited your posts, it's all your incoherent ramblings


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