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Psiles
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Mushroom Paradoxes?!
#14303624 - 04/16/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey Everybody, I'm new to the forum. I've been reading threads on this site for days and finally decided to make an account.
Anyway i wanted to see if anybody out there ever experiences some of the same strange things that i experience while on psilocybin mushrooms. When i am peaking i feel like i am being fed information by another sort of sentient information system, and it's literally layers upon layers of paradoxes. And by paradoxes i mean these incredibly complex oppositions and contrapositions of ideas, so as to create something which contains two extremes at once, and the idea that the two extremes are actually the same. I guess that is the best way to objectively describe it, as anyone who has taken mushrooms will know that some thoughts are inexpressible because they work on much higher levels.
I just wanted to know if anyone has ever been fed similar information by the mushroom, particularly about things of a paradoxical nature, because from what i can tell it might seem common place during a mushroom trip. What do you think it might mean?
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Re: Mushroom Paradoxes?! [Re: Psiles]
#14303663 - 04/16/11 10:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's generally what the trips are described as
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Re: Mushroom Paradoxes?! [Re: BargainBab]
#14303674 - 04/16/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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While on a trip I felt something similar and had a relization that the paradoxes and their similarity is the trinity. nature is created by a trinity which is really ONE. Just some thoughts
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Re: Mushroom Paradoxes?! [Re: Psiles] 1
#14303682 - 04/16/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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When the paradox-like situation happens to me, I gather that it's due to the duality that my body/mind system has formed over time and when I enter such a deep and uniform state of consciousness with the help of the sacred medicine(s), I enter the realm of Spirit with most of my being but the ones that are not in it are still integrated into the collective consciousness of the illusion of duality that we have co-created so it makes me hot and cold, sad and happy until I just let go. Then the uniformed stream of wisdom and knowledge flows with no distortion until I "come down" and then I reengage the collective duality of this planetary system and feel like I was grasping impossible ideas only because I dove head first back into the confusion I had just freed myself from.
I don't know if that made sense it's kind of a loophole statement
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Re: Mushroom Paradoxes?! [Re: Psiles]
#14303786 - 04/16/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I never felt as though I was being fed the information by an entity, but I did feel as though I was able to perceive the universe through an objective point of view, as if the weight of knowledge was bearing down on me in some radiating way, you know "vibes".
I did come to the conclusion that all that is occurring is occurring at once on a large infinitly dimensional grid and that space, time, and all the other dimensions existed and supported this structured infinitly dimensional grid. That truly the universe exists in a infinite string of universes existing inside of each other each one unique in it's own way only slightly variated from the one before. This slight variation so infinitly insignificant it would be uneffable for the human mind to percieve, (I felt as though I was able to percieve it at the time)would have massive infinte reprocussions, causing a completely different universe.
If these universes existed in such a way that would mean that the paradox theory would be true. Two extremes could exist at the same time and be relative to each other. Fucked, I know.
I did see entities in the sky, it was wild there was no moon and we were out in a field next to a forest in the dead of night.
I only got that a couple of times but I always came down to that conclusion. It only happens on high doses of mushrooms, 7 grams or up.
I only get to that final theory at the peak because I sit there and break down everything to its simpliest point while coming up on shrooms. Then when I peak I see the whole picture of everything broken down, as if I have figured it all out and can finally percieve the uneffable.
But thats just tripping balls. I know thats how things really work, but the "whole percieveing it all", not happening, just tripping balls. You can't percieve infinity...well you can but not in this universe.
That's just what I get. I don't know if that's what you mean but that felt good to say. My friends just think I've gone nuts when I talk about that shit.
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Re: Mushroom Paradoxes?! [Re: 0rusnjos]
#14304597 - 04/17/11 03:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think you sound sane
Last night i was having fits of laughter for no reason & my friend thought it was somehow bad like i was going insane
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Re: Mushroom Paradoxes?! [Re: Chronic7]
#14304598 - 04/17/11 03:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Chronic said: I think you sound sane
Last night i was having fits of laughter for no reason & my friend thought it was somehow bad like i was going insane 
Laughter isn't normal!
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to be fair it was pretty full on but it was soooo good to get it out  aftterwards it felt like the afterglow of mushrooms or DMT or having done loads of yoga, like they say its the best medicine
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Re: Mushroom Paradoxes?! [Re: Psiles]
#14305024 - 04/17/11 08:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Psiles said: Hey Everybody, I'm new to the forum. I've been reading threads on this site for days and finally decided to make an account.
Anyway i wanted to see if anybody out there ever experiences some of the same strange things that i experience while on psilocybin mushrooms. When i am peaking i feel like i am being fed information by another sort of sentient information system, and it's literally layers upon layers of paradoxes. And by paradoxes i mean these incredibly complex oppositions and contrapositions of ideas, so as to create something which contains two extremes at once, and the idea that the two extremes are actually the same. I guess that is the best way to objectively describe it, as anyone who has taken mushrooms will know that some thoughts are inexpressible because they work on much higher levels.
I just wanted to know if anyone has ever been fed similar information by the mushroom, particularly about things of a paradoxical nature, because from what i can tell it might seem common place during a mushroom trip. What do you think it might mean?
Coincidentia oppositorum
Coincidentia oppositorum is a Latin phrase meaning coincidence of opposites. It is a neoplatonic term attributed to 15th century German polymath Nicholas of Cusa in his essay, De Docta Ignorantia (1440). Mircea Eliade, a 20th century historian of religion, used the term extensively in his essays about myth and ritual, describing the coincidentia oppositorum as "the mythical pattern". Psychiatrist Carl Jung, philosopher and Islamic Studies professor Henry Corbin as well as Jewish philosophers Gershom Scholem and Abraham Joshua Heschel also used the term. In alchemy, coincidentia oppositorum is a synonym for conjunction, the fifth process. The term is also used in describing a revelation of the oneness of things previously believed to be different. Such insight into the unity of things is a kind of transcendence, and is found in various mystical traditions. The idea occurs in the traditions of Tantric Hinduism and Buddhism, in German mysticism, Taoism, Zen and Sufism, among others.[citation needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coincidentia_oppositorum#Coincidentia_oppositorum
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Re: Mushroom Paradoxes?! [Re: Psiles]
#14309980 - 04/18/11 12:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is how i see it now. Who knows what i thought while it was happening and up until now. But now, this is how i see it :
There are no paradoxes. There are simply matters we can't fully understand. So we label it as a paradox. What happens is the mushroom affects certain parts of the brain that deal with certain cognitive functions and the result is general confusion.
As the right hemisphere of the brain becomes more and more active during the onset of a mushroom experience, the contradictions which bring about the impression of paradoxes can be reduces to a disagreement between the two hemispheres.
To be more blunt, no rational, logical explanation can do justice. It just doesn't seem completely true.
I didn't read through the whole thread but i did notice that mr. chronic participated, so he can maybe explain the concept of "Neti Neti" a bit better.
It basically means - not this, not this ; neither this nor that.
As the mushroom experience progresses , these paradoxes you speak of start being attached to the identity. Short term memory is severely affected and the left hemisphere being mostly responsible for conceptual thinking quiets down. Ego death is what seems to be the eventuality. This is where all the mysticism,religion all of that comes from. Death plagues the self-aware and the paradox is always rooted in this subtle but very obvious contradiction - you live to die.
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Re: Mushroom Paradoxes?! [Re: jivJaN]
#14314044 - 04/18/11 09:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jivjan, What you bring up is a very interesting point. I never thought of the two hemispheres of the brain working against each other as a potential cause for these feelings. However, if what you say is true, then the fact that the two hemispheres are both competing for favor of your consciousness would confirm that your mind is completely separate from your brain (because where else could your mind be stored?). And If the mind is separate from the brain, you can't use physiology in any argument about consciousness (Paradox!). But if mind is separate from the brain, then it stands to reason that we can actually understand these paradoxes! I think ego death is the coalescence of these paradoxes... but how can separation between mind and body join other opposite ideas together? (Paradox)
So many questions, you just busted out a whole new can of worms. I'm gonna chew on this one for a while
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Psiles
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That is some Fantastic info! I'm gonna be rolling this one over for a while
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Re: Mushroom Paradoxes?! [Re: 0rusnjos]
#14314078 - 04/18/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Okay. What you jut described is a fantastic description of what i've experienced on mushrooms. It's almost like you were right there in my head (or in the logos) with me. I feel like if people who have never interacted with each other are having these similar experiences, then it is possible to actually map out hyperspace and use subjective experiences as empirical evidence.
Also, i totally feel you when you say your friends think that's weird about you. Unfortunately people like us who have seen hyperspace will be alienated if we express what we have seen.
-------------------- "The world which we perceive is a tiny fraction of the world which we can perceive, which is a tiny fraction of the perceivable world, you see" -Terence Mckenna
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