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Re: Running Wire to the Breaker (Electrical) [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#14305931 - 04/17/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Okay Ive got it figured out. My box accepts tandem breakers. I will replace the 30 amp washer/dryer breaker with a tandem breaker 30amp/20amp leave the wiring alone for the washer dryer and run dedicated wiring for the lighting.
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Re: Running Wire to the Breaker (Electrical) [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#14306314 - 04/17/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Close. I've never seen tandem 220 volt breakers (as they are double pole already). Tandem breakers are available for 110 volts circuits though.
Replace enough of your single 110 breakers to open up a spot for an additional 220 breaker.
Tandem breaker. Note there is no tie-bar between the two. This type must NOT be used for what you wish to do as one leg could trip while leaving the second leg live.
Double pole breaker. This is for use on 220 volt single phase circuits so that both legs of the circuit trip off at one time.
Also, I've never seen a tandem breaker that was rated for two different amperage's. They are (as far as I know) ONLY available in ratings such as 20/20, 15/15 and so on.
So in summation... use tandem breakers for 110, not 220.
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Re: Running Wire to the Breaker (Electrical) [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14306606 - 04/17/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Okay now were getting somewhere thank you for the helpful information really, I think what I was refering to is called a quad breaker I have one for my ac and water heater its the size of a regular 220 breaker but has two switches one 30amp for the ac and one 20 amp for the water heater. Now I could do something like that but I think I like your idea of replacing a few 115 breakers for tandem to make room for a 220. Again I apologize for the little quarel.
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Re: Running Wire to the Breaker (Electrical) [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#14310860 - 04/18/11 08:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Stay away from the quads. The action on them has always sucked. Replace 2 of the standard single pole breakers with tandems and that will leave room for the new double pole breaker for your 220 circuit.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Running Wire to the Breaker (Electrical) [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#14311415 - 04/18/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Use a tandem breaker.
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Re: Running Wire to the Breaker (Electrical) [Re: Psychoslut]
#14316746 - 04/19/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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> Use a tandem breaker.
A 220v breaker is already a tandem breaker.
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Re: Running Wire to the Breaker (Electrical) [Re: Seuss]
#14316994 - 04/19/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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my bad, thats why im only a 3rd year apprentice, and have to have journeyman backup lol.
well its that, and i have no experience in residential, only industrial. the circuit breakers i fuck with are the size of VW beetles.
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Re: Running Wire to the Breaker (Electrical) [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#14320069 - 04/19/11 09:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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QuantumMeltdown said: Pris?
it's 'illegal' and can be dangerous, what you can do is install that 60 amp and run the wire to a sub panel with a few breakers in it to pull the load for the lights and the dryer as long as you arent exceeding the rating of the main panel...
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Re: Running Wire to the Breaker (Electrical) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14321580 - 04/20/11 04:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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> as you arent exceeding the rating of the main panel...
In the picture above, why are you pulling through breakers (for the subpanel) rather than from the incoming mains?
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Re: Running Wire to the Breaker (Electrical) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14321623 - 04/20/11 05:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nice smurf tube job brah.
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Re: Running Wire to the Breaker (Electrical) [Re: Seuss]
#14321674 - 04/20/11 06:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > as you arent exceeding the rating of the main panel...
In the picture above, why are you pulling through breakers (for the subpanel) rather than from the incoming mains?
I can think of two reasons.
1. He didn't have to shut off the power to the entire house to install the sub-panel. 2. Electrical code.
This (at least in my area) is a code requirement. I believe it is part of the National Electrical code as well. If the sub-panel is run directly from the mains, a person unfamiliar with that set-up may not realize the sub-panel is still live after turning off the main breaker.
Now that's OK I guess if you don't like that person, but it could come as a surprise to others.
A "shocking" surprise.
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Re: Running Wire to the Breaker (Electrical) [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14321711 - 04/20/11 06:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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They shouldnt be working on it if they have no idea how to check for power before they start poking at shit with a unrated stanly.
If they fry themselves fuckem, they new they were messing up.
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Re: Running Wire to the Breaker (Electrical) [Re: Psychoslut]
#14321873 - 04/20/11 08:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Psychoslut said: They shouldnt be working on it if they have no idea how to check for power before they start poking at shit with a unrated stanly.
If they fry themselves fuckem, they new they were messing up.
And people who have little to no electrical knowledge shouldn't be working in a breaker box to begin with... yet they do.
None of which changes the electrical code.
Thanks for your clever comments though.
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Re: Running Wire to the Breaker (Electrical) [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14321896 - 04/20/11 08:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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When my better half gets up I can have him read your post...
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Re: Running Wire to the Breaker (Electrical) [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#14322019 - 04/20/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, he just read it. Granted he just got up but here is his take:
"Number one, the risk of electrocution is from the outside source when you're replacing the breaker, you somehow need to have a way to shut off the outside source of power to the breaker box (to actually be safe when doing the work) then once the 60 amp breaker is put in, of course leave it in the off position, so that the work inside the condo can be done. From the 60 amp breaker to the washer dryer "junction box", I would definitely use a higher gauge than 6 gauge to be on the safe side. Don't always go by the rating of the wire because the wire will warm up in your usage. From the "junction box" near the washer dryer to your little experiment, the 6 gauge would be okay. The other part of your plan that worries me is exactly what will your junction box me made of, ie. the box itself and how are you distributing the power from it (how are you wiring it). And last but not least, do you know for sure that the power feeding your circuit breaker box has enough capacity to allow for this extra amperage use, ie. you're not going to be blowing some breaker further up the line, and the wires coming to your breaker box are rated for the extra current."
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Re: Running Wire to the Breaker (Electrical) [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14322421 - 04/20/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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> 1. He didn't have to shut off the power to the entire house to install the sub-panel.
Good point, though I usually kill the building power when working inside a panel for safety reasons. It may be inconvenient, but I value my life and have accidentally shocked myself too many times over the years.
> 2 ... If the sub-panel is run directly from the mains, a person unfamiliar with that set-up may not realize the sub-panel is still live after turning off the main breaker.
There is no main breaker in the picture above, thus I assume the building shutoff (main breaker) is upstream somewhere.
> And last but not least, do you know for sure that the power feeding your circuit breaker box has enough capacity to allow for this extra amperage use
A good point, but if he is only adding a single 20 amp circuit, he is probably safe. Even if the panel is at the design limit, it is unlikely that every circuit in the house is at maximum capacity. Still... a valid point and it would be best to verify rather than hoping for the best. I just realized another:
3. Using a breaker limits the total current allowed into the subpanel. This could be important if you are near the current capacity of the primary panel and somebody else adds more circuits to the subpanel at a later time.
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Re: Running Wire to the Breaker (Electrical) [Re: Seuss]
#14329988 - 04/21/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Seuss said: There is no main breaker in the picture above, thus I assume the building shutoff (main breaker) is upstream somewhere.
3 boxes total, the main shut of on that one is at the pole, it's required under the state and local building codes, the pictured box is rated for 100amps as most of the homes are, I'm about to have mine upgraded to 400amps, 200 for the house (current capacity) and 200 more for the barn since I've got everything run other than making my connections on the meter base, for that I get to pull the meter and then tell the power company I have no idea why the tag on the meter is broken
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