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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14284685 - 04/13/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Awesome! So logs/moss/rotting wood. Thanks for all your tips, man. Hopefully after the next time it rains, I can get some nice mushies.  :awegrow:

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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: DeliriumTrigger]
    #14295431 - 04/15/11 12:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Not that great, but



EDIT: Oh yeah, this is at what I assume to be 800X as the lens adapter says "2X magnification" For some reason, my DSLR doesn't recognize there is a lens attached and has an f0 aperture. I've emailed the vendor for more info, but no response just yet.

I'll take a pic of my stage micrometer in a little bit with this lens to adjust for pixels/micron


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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14295674 - 04/15/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)



Each division approximates to .01 mm at 800X


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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14295851 - 04/15/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)








EDIT: This is at 2000X btw


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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14300625 - 04/16/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I just went out today only to find this as the fruit I've been documenting



And to be chased out of the field by this bull (or steer, I didn't take the time to look at his sack)



Let me assure you he was not as disinterested this time as he appeared in this picture. I wish I could have gotten a pic, but I was too interested in saving my own skin.


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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14301076 - 04/16/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i went out to one of my fields and found these 2 Pans, they resemble yours in a way but i bet they are just paps. they got my excited for half a second.



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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14301120 - 04/16/11 01:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i went out to one of my fields and found these 2 Pans, they resemble yours in a way but i bet they are just paps. they got my excited for half a second.






Also, I habve a question. Since this time, I had my back turned from he beginning to that bull, will he start to try to chase me now? Should I do the front stance thing most cattle herding guides recommend? There were calves in the field at the time and now other cows really. It was also the neighbor's dog which tipped him off to me by pissing them off. I mean how hard is it to photograph some shrooms for Christ's sake ....?

EDIT: Also, I'm carrying my trusty hickory staff from now on. I also thought about taking a gun in case ...

One more thing, I got excited when I found those Pan paps in my yard, too. I'll be honest though, Panaeolus species excite me in general. Also, what sort of habitat were they found in? That exact spot?


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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14301137 - 04/16/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Looks like subbs to me, (Pan. cinctulus). The spores evel look it so... have u looked at the pleurocystidia etc??  sry if this has been covered, i havent read all 5 pages of this.

I can post some subb microscopies for comparison if u want. I only have at 1000x tho... my microscope is sub par.

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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #14301150 - 04/16/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Looks like subbs to me, (Pan. cinctulus). The spores evel look it so... have u looked at the pleurocystidia etc??  sry if this has been covered, i havent read all 5 pages of this.

I can post some subb microscopies for comparison if u want. I only have at 1000x tho... my microscope is sub par.




Mine can't really get good clarity either. Also, the gill samples are all waiting in Alan's mailbox. I might try my hand at gill samples when I find some more in a couple days, but until then, all we have are spores, spores and more spores. So you are right in wondering about gill samples.

EDIT: One thing though that seems to separate them from subbs to me is that they don't ever grow directly off of dung while subbs can fruit directly off of manure.


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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14301232 - 04/16/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

honestly, for being the supposed subb master, I have likely found them on manure on average 1 out of a 1000 specimens.. literally.

like cyanescens which CAN grow in the wild habitats, but prefer woodchips, cinctulus(subbs) prefers lawns and hay piles over manure piles/other unlikely naturaly habitats...

Makes me wonder about their proliferance in the last hundred years or so... I wish there was a way to account specimens from the last few hundred years. haha.. do a scientifics microscopic comparison.. just my mind wandering tho..

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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #14301267 - 04/16/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

to be honest, I dunno; I want to know, but I don't. :shrug: Anywho, the spores reminded me of this collection



This is a PNW find of Lawn P. olivaceus.

And a pic of mine to below



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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14301353 - 04/16/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

its real close... gota wait for the cystidia analysis from alan. kudos!!

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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #14301368 - 04/16/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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its real close... gota wait for the cystidia analysis from alan. kudos!!




Still post your pics from the subb collections as in weilii's find, one of the primary ways of determination by Workman was the size of the spores. So I dunno. Maybe they are subbs. It's still a fun find.

http://forums.mycotopia.net/wild-mushrooming-field-forest/50789-panaeolus-olivaceus.html
Weiliiiiiii's find


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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14301381 - 04/16/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

shitty pic but here u are.

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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #14301409 - 04/16/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

also something funny you might want to try for fun,
If you can grow the spores and promote small sclerotia to form, you may have subbs. although, Ive never seen anybody but myself produce them from subbs.

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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14301434 - 04/16/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Subbedhunter, I have a question:

How often do you find subbs growing solitary? I've only seen these Pans here grow caespitose one time and that was the find with all the pans on that island/foil. It figures I picked them and didn't go back to charge my camera ...


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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #14301444 - 04/16/11 02:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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shitty pic but here u are.





Those look pretty smooth to me. They remind me of my Panaeolus papillionaceus spores in their smoothness



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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14301474 - 04/16/11 02:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I rarely find them caespitose. I find them usually growing in a clump or scattered by the dozens or hundreds. Southern california makes a perfect place for their prolific growth.

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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #14301503 - 04/16/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I rarely find them caespitose. I find them usually growing in a clump or scattered by the dozens or hundreds. Southern california makes a perfect place for their prolific growth.





Dude, you have some epic patches. I shit not, good sir!

Actually, now that I think of it, I've seen them do the caespitose thing twice, but these pans fruit way more sparsely usually 3-6 at a time. and usually the fruits ar often 6 to 8 inches apart. They also fruit pretty solitary too. Here are some solitary Pans I've seen





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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14301628 - 04/16/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Looks like subbs to me, (Pan. cinctulus). The spores evel look it so... have u looked at the pleurocystidia etc?? 





No members of Panaeolus have pleurocystidia, except maybe for P. fimicola which has strange brown pleurocystidia.  I am not sure if it is supposed to though.

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Looks like the spores are guttulate, which points in the direction of Panaeolus olivaceus.  Were the spores compltely smooth or slightly roughened?  The roughness is fine and will be on the edge of what your microscope can do, you will need to close the aperture on the condenser, use the 100x oil immersion objective, set up kohler illumination properly and adjust the fine focus just right to see it.

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