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My 6 month old daughter and Vaccines
    #14280369 - 04/12/11 08:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So I'll admit, I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist, and I don't trust much of what our (U.S.) government tells me.

That being said, this isn't a thread to promote conspiracy theories, it is about the well being of my beautiful daughter.

Today we went for her 6 month checkup at the doctors and she received her second set of vaccine injections/drinks. She is breaking teeth, so the "doctor" prescribed us a liquid flouride to give her doses of to "protect and build up her teeth". Instantly I remember an article I read when I was researching DMT, about how the Pineal gland functions are deteriorated by flouride. So instantly, being the skeptic that I am, I got home and started searching the web about flouride, and here are two links I found:
http://www.holisticmed.com/fluoride/
http://www.fluoridealert.org/50-reasons.htm

To sum up some of the info I found on those pages: Flouride if having benefits to teeth is mostly topical if at all. Meaning it does not need to be ingested. There have been research studies showing health problems caused by flouride, especially in young children. And that in many countries that do not flouridate thier water, they have just as good dental hygiene as we do here in America.

So now I'm second guessing this who vaccination thing. I mean, I've read conspiracy shit about they're putting other shit in these shots. Of course this can't be proven, but it does make me wonder if they are indeed what they tell us they are. I mean, not that I'd rather chance having my daughter get some fucked up disease that they are vaccinating, but it really has made me wonder. So I'm hoping to strike up a discussion and perhaps someone here knows a bit more about these things than I do and can shed some light on these subjects.

My dad worked for USAMRID on Fort Detrick in Maryland for some 30ish years as a bacteriologist. He tested various vaccinations, even the anthrax one. Maybe I should have a little one on one with him, although I doubt he knows too much. He was mostly a researcher.


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OfflineViveka
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Re: My 6 month old daughter and Vaccines [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #14285797 - 04/13/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Is the liquid meant to be swallowed or swabbed on the gums/teeth or what?  I think the concept of giving extra fluoride to infants is utter lunacy.  Firstly, because they're only going to have their baby teeth for so long and secondly because they are much more vulnerable to toxic substances.  I think adding fluoride to anything but toothpaste is completely unethical and fucked up.  And I don't use the fluoride toothpaste.

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Re: My 6 month old daughter and Vaccines [Re: Lucid_Euphoria] * 1
    #14287192 - 04/13/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Fluoride in tiny quantities does help teeth, but that sounds like overkill. But yes, get her vaccinated. They really do protect. All the alarmist BS about them is hyperbole.

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Re: My 6 month old daughter and Vaccines [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #14299992 - 04/16/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've done a lot of research on fluoride lately.  I would NEVER give an infant fluoride drops!  Fluoride is a toxic substance, especially for infants.  I don't necessarily think the fluoridation of water is a conspiracy, I think it is plain ignorance.  Many scientists now are against the ingestion of fluoride, but politicians override them.

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Re: My 6 month old daughter and Vaccines [Re: HippieChick8]
    #14300371 - 04/16/11 10:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Some flouride is good..too much is not a good thing. I've heard they are starting to change their mind again (like scientist always do about stuff), and thinking that any flouride is bad for you.

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Re: My 6 month old daughter and Vaccines [Re: LZip]
    #14304263 - 04/17/11 01:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Edited by Anonymous (03/07/20 02:48 PM)

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Re: My 6 month old daughter and Vaccines [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #14305163 - 04/17/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Please make sure you get your daughter all the necessary vaccinations. Every child who is left unvaccinated is at risk of suffering needlessly from dangerous diseases, not to mention spreading those dangerous diseases to others.

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Re: My 6 month old daughter and Vaccines [Re: adrug]
    #14348378 - 04/25/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

All I can say is that I'm sending both you and her the best of wishes.

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Re: My 6 month old daughter and Vaccines [Re: Alienscience]
    #14353297 - 04/26/11 02:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Vaccines good.
Fluoride drops, wtf?
Fluoride in toothpaste or mouthwashes makes sense, sort of. Ingesting fluoride on purpose is a crappy idea at best.


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Re: My 6 month old daughter and Vaccines [Re: Champion des Champignons]
    #14367562 - 04/28/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

hey
the vaccines are perfectly good, and definatly worth getting.

the fluoride i would avoid,

although potentially it may have some beneficial effects on tooth strengthening in general, its most likely very unnecessary and the potential negatives far outweigh the positives.

firstly, its a toxic substance, and espescially considering your daughters age, it may have more impact.

secondley its unneccesary, we don't actually need extra fluoride to have healthy teeth and it probably won't provide much real benefit anyway.

we get fluoride from other sources also.

thirdly like another mentioned, shes going to lose her baby teeth anyway.

if you want to use it, why not wait till later?


i recently decided to eliminate unnecessary fluoride, and now use non fluoridated toothpaste also.

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Re: My 6 month old daughter and Vaccines [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #14367669 - 04/28/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The scary thing about vaccines that I have heard about involves a possible link to autism.

Something is causing a fuckload of autism.  Whether or not it is the vaccines is of course unknown but a studies have been done to support both sides.



The vaccines that are administered today are not the same that were given to us.  Nowadays there are more of an "all-in-one" kind of vaccine shot and it is believed (by some) that these new shots are the cause of the alarming rise of autism.  There have been studies that have been done to support this view.  However most studies done suggest that there is no link. 

But something's causing it.


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Re: My 6 month old daughter and Vaccines [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #14373757 - 04/29/11 05:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No replicable studies have ever found a connection and the biggest proponent of that nonsense was completely exposed as a fraud.

In my opinion the single greatest factor in the rise of autism is the expansion of the diagnosis.  When I studied it in the seventies autism was restrictively diagnosed only in the hockey helmet population.  Now there are all kinds of types and degrees of autism spectrum diagnoses.  Kids who were previously just considered flakes or dweebs or idiots are getting a medical diagnosis of some kind of autism. 

I am very familiar with this subject and it bothers me a great deal when I continue to read this crap about vaccines and autism.  It is total bunk.


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Re: My 6 month old daughter and Vaccines [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14373996 - 04/29/11 06:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

autism isn't even a real disease. this shit is sad though

OP i'm sure you'll figure out what is best for your daughter and i wish you well


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Re: My 6 month old daughter and Vaccines [Re: owls]
    #14374251 - 04/29/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My siblings and I never got any vaccines, healthy into ages 30, 27, 25, 22, and 19.

Infact this woman in a grocery store(a nurse no less), told my mom that us kids were all going to be very ill by our teenage years, and us younger ones would likely die. She then asked our ages, and promptly shut her mouth hearing we're are 20-30 years of age.

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Re: My 6 month old daughter and Vaccines [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14374323 - 04/29/11 07:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

> My siblings and I never got any vaccines, healthy into ages 30, 27, 25, 22, and 19.

Thank your lucky stars that the people around you are vaccinated.

> So now I'm second guessing this who vaccination thing.

Vaccinate your kids.  The studies that linked autism to vaccines have been retracted and it has been shown that the author of the studies falsified his research (for money).  I would avoid the fluoride... baby teeth fall out eventually, so who really cares.  The risks associated with fluoride (not the crazy conspiracy BS), especially in a baby, outweigh any benefits as far as I am concerned.


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Re: My 6 month old daughter and Vaccines [Re: Seuss]
    #14374939 - 04/29/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

this is late but..


autism and vaccines have never been proven. Always get vaccines. Otherwise you could be responsible for being a carry of say, the wooping cough. And they would know its you cuz you have to sign something saying you didnt take the vaccine.

the whole autism and vaccines is incredibly unlikely.

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Re: My 6 month old daughter and Vaccines [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #14375004 - 04/29/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

OP. It's not really a matter of conspiracy here but more just a matter of plain collateral damage.

I have no doubt that fluoride is great for strong healthy teeth HOWEVER it is very toxic and consumption should be avoided. Mouthwash and toothpaste these days contain fluoride and it gets administered to the teeth topically. Just use these to get your fix of fluoride.

As for vaccinations DON'T GET THEM. If you don't trust the government, then don't trust vaccinations. I'm not going to name any particular conspiracy here but would you inject your daughter with some unknown substance that some shady looking character on the street handed you? Because that's essentially what you're doing with a vaccinations.

Assuming that vaccinations are what they claim to be AND ONLY what they claim to be AND there are no unknown side effects than it's simply safe enough to live in a community of people where the other children are vaccinated. Vaccinated children can't carry the disease and therefore can't spread it to your kid so this would be a good time to take advantage of everybody else :tongue2:

The best thing you can do for your children is raise them as naturally as possible. Try whenever you can to eat homegrown/made foods and possibly drink rainwater. Many food stuffs that can be bought in stores today are jam packed with horrible hormones that really do have effect on humans. It's not a conspiracy, it's just an unfortunate side effect of industry.

Later in life your daughter may decide to travel overseas and make her own health choices - at this point she will probably need to get vaccinations and whatnot but for now simply raise her naturally.

Edited by Dawks (04/30/11 12:02 AM)

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Re: My 6 month old daughter and Vaccines [Re: Dawks]
    #14375051 - 04/29/11 10:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

As for vaccinations DON'T GET THEM. If you don't trust the government, then don't trust vaccinations.




Terrible piece of advice. good thing he posted this thread 17 days ago.




Quote:

would you inject your daughter with some unknown substance that some shady looking character on the street handed you? Because that's essentially what you're doing with a vaccinations.






What?:confused:  your talking about another country arent you?? in that case im sorry for saying that vaccines are right. cuz im sure there are shady people walking down the street that offer vaccines in other countries that parents who cant get the real thing, might consider.

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