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Invisibledonteatasians


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Re: someone tried to intimidate me during class on thursday [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14314164 - 04/18/11 09:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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donteatasians said:
You don't need to look someone in the eyes to kill them with a knife. Should we out-law those?





the UK outlawed guns, violent crime increased, stabbings were more frequent
and guns are still on the streets but not in the hands of law abiding
citizens, the UK has outlawed knives, violent crimes still increased and
citizens have no means of self preservation yet knives and guns are still on
the streets in the hands of criminals

since when have we known criminals to obey the laws?




What else would happen.  Prohabition doesn't seem to work for substances and causes more harm than good.  People still obtain and distribute but do so without regulation.  I don't know why someone would think it would work better with guns or knives.


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Re: someone tried to intimidate me during class on thursday [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14314205 - 04/18/11 10:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

dude the uk has 100 shooting deaths a year. you have no comparison. people get itchy fingers when they carry guns.

its just a tool for people with power trips. the only basis a rifle is good for is to hunt food. and not many even need to do that.

just think if we went back to fighting are battles with swords and bow. therd be a hole lot less inclined to dish out death.

im done though on this subject. like i said arguing wwith gun lovers is a pointless lost cause.


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Re: someone tried to intimidate me during class on thursday [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14314206 - 04/18/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:


it certainly couldnt suggest that the OP has a bias against those
conservatives, certainly them being ex military and conservatives didnt
stick in his craw even worse, the response this guy is claimed to have
said really doesnt seem to line up with his response to the original
statement but it sure lines up with the OPs agenda of contempt for these
guys that dont think like him




read it as though the OP was saying "yeah that might have something to do with it" while putting emphases and sarcasm in the MIGHT. "yeah, that MIGHT have something to do with it."
if he said it like that then the response of the military dude makes sense..


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Re: someone tried to intimidate me during class on thursday [Re: micro8gb] * 1
    #14314221 - 04/18/11 10:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

either way OP is a naive college boy


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Re: someone tried to intimidate me during class on thursday [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14314246 - 04/18/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

DarkMatterOfFact said:
you refuse to get my point...there is no hope in changing obtuse people. so i refuse to try anymore. i just hope to start fresh.:peace:





that's flaming, not to mention it goes along with what I've always saif about
the neo-hippies in the US, fascists in tie dyes, the open mind that says
agree with me or you're just too stupid to understand

great argument you have there




i dont recall him trying to portray himself as a hippie, but just out of curiosity, how would a true hippie handle the sitiation?


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Re: someone tried to intimidate me during class on thursday [Re: DarkMatterOfFact]
    #14314287 - 04/18/11 10:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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DarkMatterOfFact said:
pris this country is mostly made up of people who suffer over extended work schedules, overpriced cost of living, health care, transportation. that is survival by slavery not freedom. 

imo no one chose this reality. i sure didnt. it was pushed tyrannically upon us, while hypocritically our system says it is against that belief. therefore a illusion.

just because you dont live it. does not mean it doesnt exist.


and i find it hard to believe your going to take on two crazed suicidal kids with tek 9s who are blasting more then 900 rounds off at anyone. just not realistic.

whatever though the point is if guns were not so accepted theyd never of even been able to get them.



You and everyone else have the option of making a choice to live in some other way.  Living how you do is a choice. Regardless of how or where you live though you will probably have to work for food and shelter. 

That reality you described exists because people choose it.  Through out human history people have, as far as I know, always had others trying to control or dominate them.  We do however have the luxury of not being killed for opposing the catholic church, voicing disagreement with our "rulers", or being witches.  These used to be accepted and enforced by past governments. 

What makes you think that prohabition will work better with guns than it does with substances?


EDIT ps
Darkmatteroffact, you still haven't answered this, would you please let me know what you think?

Do you think that anything with the potential to be used destructively, cars for example, should be prohibited?


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Re: someone tried to intimidate me during class on thursday [Re: donteatasians]
    #14314358 - 04/18/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

have the class again tomorrow morning. should be fun :strokebeard:


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Re: someone tried to intimidate me during class on thursday [Re: morrowasted]
    #14314368 - 04/18/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

why dont you ask your professor to talk about charity?

:Shulman:


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Re: someone tried to intimidate me during class on thursday [Re: DarkMatterOfFact]
    #14314393 - 04/18/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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DarkMatterOfFact said:
pris this country is mostly made up of people who suffer over extended work schedules, overpriced cost of living, health care, transportation. that is survival by slavery not freedom. 





a 40hr work week is pretty short, it's not 14hr days, it's 8hr days, the
rest has little to do with anything, my healthcare is taken care of by my
tax dollars as wel as charitable contributions but being the swell guy
that I am, I dont take advantage of it and simply dont go to doctards
my transportation is via a 2 cars, 4 trucks or a horse, all of which are
paid for and are used sparingly, I've put 20k miles on my regular car in 5
years, one truck has seen about 600 miles in 3 years but it's hauled
3+tons of shit at a time

not that expensive if you understand that the more you use it the more it
costs, I live 20 miles from the closest city, I raise most of my own food
so my expenses are pretty low... different lifestyles and all.

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imo no one chose this reality. i sure didnt. it was pushed tyrannically upon us, while hypocritically our system says it is against that belief. therefore a illusion.

just because you dont live it. does not mean it doesnt exist.




I'm not forced to do labor, I work to survive, I work to feed my kids
because if I dont plant and harvbest and tend to the food, no one here
eats and at the same time, I am not bothered by government, the cops arent
beating down my door to demand I let them rifle through my belonging, they
arent taking money from my pocket just because I happened to be the guy
standing there

just because you believe you live it, that doesnt mean that's the way it is


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and i find it hard to believe your going to take on two crazed suicidal kids with tek 9s who are blasting more then 900 rounds off at anyone. just not realistic.




my stupidity has earned me a commendation before, a tek 9 is a semi auto,
it requires the user to pull the trigger for each shot, the magazine holds
30 rounds, I'm an expert shooter, I've been shooting since I was a kid, I
can hit a target with my .45 at more than 50 yds, I'd have no issue
shooting two armed assailants from a position of cover. at 20yds I can put
2 in the chest from the hip and continue for the next volley as the gun is
raised


would I attempt to stop the shooting if I were unarmed. yes, as I said, I
have commendations for my stupidity. they called it valor and courage.
it's like a wave of dumb just washes over you and you find yourself in
harms way trying to help others


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Re: someone tried to intimidate me during class on thursday [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14314404 - 04/18/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

not many people know what work is


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Re: someone tried to intimidate me during class on thursday [Re: donteatasians]
    #14314427 - 04/18/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

donteatasians said:
Quote:

DarkMatterOfFact said:
pris this country is mostly made up of people who suffer over extended work schedules, overpriced cost of living, health care, transportation. that is survival by slavery not freedom. 

imo no one chose this reality. i sure didnt. it was pushed tyrannically upon us, while hypocritically our system says it is against that belief. therefore a illusion.

just because you dont live it. does not mean it doesnt exist.


and i find it hard to believe your going to take on two crazed suicidal kids with tek 9s who are blasting more then 900 rounds off at anyone. just not realistic.

whatever though the point is if guns were not so accepted theyd never of even been able to get them.



You and everyone else have the option of making a choice to live in some other way.  Living how you do is a choice. Regardless of how or where you live though you will probably have to work for food and shelter. 

That reality you described exists because people choose it.  Through out human history people have, as far as I know, always had others trying to control or dominate them.  We do however have the luxury of not being killed for opposing the catholic church, voicing disagreement with our "rulers", or being witches.  These used to be accepted and enforced by past governments. 

What makes you think that prohabition will work better with guns than it does with substances?


EDIT ps
Darkmatteroffact, you still haven't answered this, would you please let me know what you think?

Do you think that anything with the potential to be used destructively, cars for example, should be prohibited?


you are wrong. we do not suffer the rules and restrictions freely. they are forced upon the poor. its not as simple as saying "oh its your fault stop bitching".:lol: the game in other words is rigged. almost like how casinos operate.

and stop asking  obvious questions its dumb. i think cars are a careless invention too actually. but transportation is a little different thing then a weapon that shoots projectiles and is intended to kill the living.


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Re: someone tried to intimidate me during class on thursday [Re: DarkMatterOfFact] * 1
    #14314450 - 04/18/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

you either are a communist or you aren't

we dont need any more pussies


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Re: someone tried to intimidate me during class on thursday [Re: DarkMatterOfFact]
    #14314473 - 04/18/11 10:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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dude the uk has 100 shooting deaths a year. you have no comparison. people get itchy fingers when they carry guns.





maybe you dont understand just how bad that is in a cluster of islands
that has no legal gun ownership, as opposed to 30k shootings per year in
the US with 90% gun ownership rate and 600 million legally owned guns

what's that tell you about the very violent nature of the people in the
UK, not that guns are outlawed there's 3x as many shootings each year,
that violent crime including murder by means other than guns is on the
rise to a point higher than when guns were still legal. britan is the
single most violent nation in all of europe

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7400372/True-scale-of-violent-crime-rise-revealed.html



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its just a tool for people with power trips. the only basis a rifle is good for is to hunt food. and not many even need to do that.

just think if we went back to fighting are battles with swords and bow. therd be a hole lot less inclined to dish out death.





lol... modern weaponry has reduced the deaths associated with war
WWII there were tens of millions of deaths in europe alone, today in a war
that's lasted twice as long there;s fewer than 1% of that number

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im done though on this subject. like i said arguing wwith gun lovers is a pointless lost cause.




I know... it's impossible to argue against facts when you want to
romanticize stuff with swords and daggers and crossbows believing that
eliminates the nature of man... there's nothing romantic about being
skewered through the liver and bleeding out over the course of hours,
frankly... I'd rather it be quick with a shot through the head or heart or
at least enough damage that I bleed out in a few minutes and dont have to
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Re: someone tried to intimidate me during class on thursday [Re: Cherk]
    #14314477 - 04/18/11 10:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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cherokee said:
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Re: someone tried to intimidate me during class on thursday [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14314485 - 04/18/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

rough neck


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Re: someone tried to intimidate me during class on thursday [Re: DarkMatterOfFact]
    #14314489 - 04/18/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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you are wrong. we do not suffer the rules and restrictions freely. they are forced upon the poor. its not as simple as saying "oh its your fault stop bitching". the game in other words is rigged. almost like how casinos operate.

and stop asking  obvious questions its dumb. i think cars are a careless invention too actually. but transportation is a little different thing then a weapon that shoots projectiles and is intended to kill the living.

.



You're trying to say that guns should be prohibited because some people use them destructivly, why apply this to guns and not everything else that fits that description? 

The rules and restrictions you say are forced upon the poor, do these only apply to people poorer than me, as in less than $10,000-12,000 yearly earnings?  I haven't had anything forced on me.  You do choose it, if you don't like how you live change it.  Do you think there is some method of survival that doesn't require effort or work in any way?  Do you expect your food and shelter to be provided for you?


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Re: someone tried to intimidate me during class on thursday [Re: DarkMatterOfFact]
    #14314495 - 04/18/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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DarkMatterOfFact said:
you are wrong. we do not suffer the rules and restrictions freely. they are forced upon the poor. its not as simple as saying "oh its your fault stop bitching".:lol: the game in other words is rigged. almost like how casinos operate.

and stop asking  obvious questions its dumb. i think cars are a careless invention too actually. but transportation is a little different thing then a weapon that shoots projectiles and is intended to kill the living.




facts seem to have no place in your though process and discussion, it's all
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Re: someone tried to intimidate me during class on thursday [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14314595 - 04/18/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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im done though on this subject. like i said arguing wwith gun lovers is a pointless lost cause.




I know... it's impossible to argue against facts when you want to
romanticize stuff with swords and daggers and crossbows believing that
eliminates the nature of man... there's nothing romantic about being
skewered through the liver and bleeding out over the course of hours,
frankly... I'd rather it be quick with a shot through the head or heart or
at least enough damage that I bleed out in a few minutes and dont have to
suffer for hours or even days


romanticizing over warfare eh?:lol: you know im a pacifist right? actually im done because this topic makes me sick and its a tiresome. i hate guns and the people who respect or love them. sorry you and the rest of the world love violence so much. really i am.

Also, i was speaking broadly as in the increasing lower class and that the poor dont make a high enough wage and are forced to work two jobs to survive.

not everyone is so lucky. whatever, your not the norm. i wasnt saying you even were.

its quite a complicated quagmire to survive and even be middle class these days. which i hope one day this regime we call the usa is reformed across the board. if it take sacrifice...well so be it.


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Re: someone tried to intimidate me during class on thursday [Re: DarkMatterOfFact]
    #14314637 - 04/18/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well when shit hits the fan someone has to defend the pacifists


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Re: someone tried to intimidate me during class on thursday [Re: DarkMatterOfFact]
    #14314746 - 04/18/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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DarkMatterOfFact said:

Also, i was speaking broadly as in the increasing lower class and that the poor dont make a high enough wage and are forced to work two jobs to survive.

not everyone is so lucky. whatever, your not the norm. i wasnt saying you even were.

its quite a complicated quagmire to survive and even be middle class these days. which i hope one day this regime we call the usa is reformed across the board. if it take sacrifice...well so be it.




By survive do you mean being able to buy a lot of things they don't need and afford "creature comforts"?  Do you really think those people you claim are "forced" to work two jobs don't have luxuries that they could give up to allow them to live off one job? Maybe move to a cheaper place to rent? They could even choose to quit both jobs, live on the streets and eat at shelters.  It's not ideal by any means but they do have a choice to live otherwise and are not forced otherwise.  Being able to survive doesn't always equal comfort.

Not having things forced on me isn't luck, it's accepting responsibility for myself and making choices that allow me to live a life I want to live.


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