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Morning Glory Seed Questions
    #14298296 - 04/15/11 10:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hi everyone. I've recently become interested in morning glory seeds but I have a few questions before I consider experimenting with them. I have done quite a bit of reading regarding the topic but I haven't found clear answers to these questions. All input is appreciated!

1. What is a good dose for a first timer? I was thinking about 7.5gs which comes out to about 300-350 seeds I believe.

2. If I were to take them I would have no way to grind them up so I would chew them up. What is best to wash them down with? I could grind them up by putting them in a baggie and going at them with a hammer but I don't think that would be fine enough?

3. What is best to reduce nausea other than lying down? Smoking some bud right before or after? Does eating or drinking anything afterwards help with the nausea or would that be worse?

4. How does the nausea compare to shrooms? I have never gotten sick from shrooms so would I be ok with these?

5. Are there any precautions I need to take by buying them at Home Depot? I would be buying 6 packs probably, and nothing else.

6. How long does the come up take? How long does the peak last? How long do the after affects stay for? I hear the total time is about 8-12 hours?


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Re: Morning Glory Seed Questions [Re: IchabodCrane]
    #14301910 - 04/16/11 04:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

1) thats a good dose for a first timer, maybe even do a bit less. But I think you will be fine, especially if you have experience with other psychedelics.

2)Do a CWE. I didnt do one once, and ended up tripping and having the worst diarrhea of my life two miles deep in the woods. Not fun.

Grind up the seeds and put them in bottled water with a few squirts of lemon juice, wrapped in tin foil to protect from light. Put them in the fridge and shake violently every fifteen minutes for 3 hours. Let the seeds settle, then strain out the seed mush and drink. Thats my preferred method of dosing. Key is to avoid tap water, heat and light at all costs.

3) Smoking a bit of bud definitely helps, and I usually smoke while on seeds anyways. Sucking on a piece of fresh ginger root also helps. If you get vasoconstriction, Niacin(the flush kind) or gingko bilboa will help.

4)I've never done shrooms(but thats changing tonight :smile:) so I couldn't tell ya. But from what I've heard, the nausea is worse on seeds.

5)Just make sure the seeds aren't coated with anything. It should say so on the pack if they are.

6)The come up is slow and gradual. Id say onset at 30-60 min, come up 45min-90min. Peak for a few hours, and then the come down is weird for me. I usually crash suddenly and feel really tired, and then after that the comedown is slow and lasts forever. The total effects are about 6-10 hours for me.


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Re: Morning Glory Seed Questions [Re: IchabodCrane]
    #14301992 - 04/16/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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1. What is a good dose for a first timer? I was thinking about 7.5gs which comes out to about 300-350 seeds I believe.
I'd say that's an acceptable first-time dose.  It might be a bit high if you don't have previous experience with psychedelics, but overall the LSA journey is fairly forgiving and easy to handle.  If you decide to perform a cold water extraction, you might want to up your dose by 100-200 seeds as you will definitely lose some yield in the process.

2. If I were to take them I would have no way to grind them up so I would chew them up. What is best to wash them down with? I could grind them up by putting them in a baggie and going at them with a hammer but I don't think that would be fine enough?
I highly doubt you'll like this method, but I'd say orange juice or something very strong to mask the taste.  I would recommend doing the hammer method and performing a cold water extraction.  If you need a step-by-step guide, I can easily link you to one I've written.

3. What is best to reduce nausea other than lying down? Smoking some bud right before or after? Does eating or drinking anything afterwards help with the nausea or would that be worse?
Staying still helps a lot.  You might find a few Datura seeds, a little Diphenhydramine, Ginger, or something of the sort to help calm the nausea.  I'd still expect to puke, especially if you're chewing them.

4. How does the nausea compare to shrooms? I have never gotten sick from shrooms so would I be ok with these?
I've never taken shrooms, but I have taken cactus and not puked.  Morning Glory seeds via a cold water extraction always makes me puke.  Once I puke, though, I'm :trippinballs:.

5. Are there any precautions I need to take by buying them at Home Depot? I would be buying 6 packs probably, and nothing else.
Be sure to grab the "Heavenly Blue" variety.  No precautions other than washing them thoroughly with warm soapy water before ingesting should need to be taken.

6. How long does the come up take? How long does the peak last? How long do the after affects stay for? I hear the total time is about 8-12 hours?
Via a cold water extraction, it usually takes about 40-60 minutes for me to start noticing perceptual changes.  After that the nausea and vasoconstriction kick in and I hold my ground as best I can (this part of coming up isn't pleasant).  At about 90-110 minutes in I vomit.  After that, it's smooth sailing.  I'd say it takes me another 60-90 minutes to come up, then I peak for about 180 minutes.  The comedown lasts anywhere from 360 to 480 minutes.  The next day I feel pleasant, sometimes my eyes ache a bit.


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Re: Morning Glory Seed Questions [Re: Cynosure]
    #14302478 - 04/16/11 06:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the replies!

I've decided that if I do the seeds I will crush them and do an extraction. I was thinking of using this one, but not quite sure yet: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10660740/fpart/1/vc/1

Cynosure: could you link me to the extraction that you've written? I'm still looking around for simple teks, haven't quite decided on one yet.

I've accepted the fact that I'll probably puke. Is it better to try to get it out or to hold it in?

Thanks again for the help, I'll be sure to report back how it goes if I go through with it!


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Re: Morning Glory Seed Questions [Re: IchabodCrane]
    #14302562 - 04/16/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've found the two best ways to help with the nausea are to eat a little ginger with the seeds, and to lay down. However, if you eat the ginger, you'll likely not have any problems other than slight stomach discomfort. I've never thrown up with the seeds but always had some serious discomfort. The ginger almost eliminated it completely.

I've done both eating seeds, and cold water extractions. I've found that I feel the same nausea either way, and either way its gonna taste like shit. I always mix the ground seeds with applesauce or peanut butter. Both of which mask the taste almost completely. I would suggest one of those.

I always start to feel it after about 45-60 mins, but about 2 hours in is when things really start to get good, and I've always been surprised with how long the peak lasts. Many people don't speak well of LSA, but I've always been pleasantly surprised. Let us know how it goes for you!


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Re: Morning Glory Seed Questions [Re: bholzer]
    #14303595 - 04/16/11 09:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

M.G seeds or HBWR's are very variable in LSA content, some may have an awesome trip while other might get nothing but naseau or fever like symptoms, which is what I got. Definitely have some bud on you to take care on the side-effects. In any event I don't know if you have access to some LSD because i.m.e is way better.......


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Re: Morning Glory Seed Questions [Re: thedream]
    #14303902 - 04/16/11 11:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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M.G seeds or HBWR's are very variable in LSA content, some may have an awesome trip while other might get nothing but naseau or fever like symptoms, which is what I got. Definitely have some bud on you to take care on the side-effects. In any event I don't know if you have access to some LSD because i.m.e is way better.......





Of course. I'd rather have acid any day of the week. It's just gotten really hard to find it here lately, especially where I live. But i'll be moving onto a college campus soon, so I'm sure I'll be finding some there. At least I hope so.


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Re: Morning Glory Seed Questions [Re: thedream]
    #14304044 - 04/16/11 11:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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In any event I don't know if you have access to some LSD because i.m.e is way better.......




At home yes, but here at college no (seems backwards, huh?) Plus I want to try to experience a variety of psychedelics to see what I like the most.

And one last question - I'm not sure if I really want to do an extraction for various reasons (time, loss of potency, might mess it up, etc.) Could I just grind the seeds up and then pick out the outer shell part? I know this would probably take a while and wouldn't be perfect but it's what I'm leaning towards at this point...


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Re: Morning Glory Seed Questions [Re: IchabodCrane]
    #14304073 - 04/16/11 11:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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In any event I don't know if you have access to some LSD because i.m.e is way better.......




At home yes, but here at college no (seems backwards, huh?) Plus I want to try to experience a variety of psychedelics to see what I like the most.

And one last question - I'm not sure if I really want to do an extraction for various reasons (time, loss of potency, might mess it up, etc.) Could I just grind the seeds up and then pick out the outer shell part? I know this would probably take a while and wouldn't be perfect but it's what I'm leaning towards at this point...




That would most likely be more problematic than what it's worth.

I can almost guarantee you (almost) that if you eat a little ginger root, the nausea will be more than manageable. It's the one thing that works extremely well for me to control the nausea. Just grind 'em and mix them with some applesauce.

The ginger is pretty spicy, but if you grate it with a cheese grater, then just ball it up and chase it with some water, you won't regret it.


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Re: Morning Glory Seed Questions [Re: bholzer]
    #14304431 - 04/17/11 01:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i tried morning glory seeds 30 years ago, i think did some king of extraction technique, i don't remember what i did, but i do remember cutting the extract, i think it was a white powder with nestle's quick and putting it in gel caps, it was dry and there was no marijuana to smoke, i dont know how i did but it made my whole body feel rubbery, and my head was totally straight, it was very weird, i never did it again i did use heavenly blue seeds, maybe it would have been ok if we had some smoke, or if i did less. there was nothing else around to do, so i tried that. i would do the real thing if it had been available


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Re: Morning Glory Seed Questions [Re: IchabodCrane]
    #14305192 - 04/17/11 09:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Cynosure: could you link me to the extraction that you've written? I'm still looking around for simple teks, haven't quite decided on one yet.

I've accepted the fact that I'll probably puke. Is it better to try to get it out or to hold it in?

Thanks again for the help, I'll be sure to report back how it goes if I go through with it!




I've posted a write-up (that I sent to someone else on the forums) of my technique as well as a link to my first LSA trip report that also has the tek in it.

I try to hold it in as long as I can to potentate the trip.  Chances are you'll puke eventually so you might as well reap the greatest experience you can from it.  There will be a point where you won't be able to hold it.  I tend to think that's a time to let it go. :wink:

Cool beans!  I hope you enjoy it!

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COLD WATER EXTRACTION
For my extraction you will want 500 seeds per person, as this seems to be my "sweet-spot" dose (I've made a batch of 1500 for 3 people-we tripped hard, as well as a batch of 650 for myself-the 650 trip was less intense as I puked sooner).

You want to ensure that you do most of these steps in a dark room.. and never heat your tincture in order to reduce the liquid.  LSA is very sensitive to both light and heat.

The first thing you want to do is obtain a coffee grinder.  Throw all of your seeds into the grinder and pulse the grind button (you want to do it in intervals so that the blade doesn't overheat and destroy your LSA).  I tend to pulse in 5-10 second intervals.  Of course, you'll be using a hammer; just be sure to crush them as much as you can.

After the seeds are all ground up, I took a container of some sort (usually a glass jar, but you can use whatever) and wrapped it in foil.  Wrapping it in foil keeps the light out (in case you have light in the room, or your fridge has a light).  From here, take about a liter of distilled, spring, or sanitized water (don't use tap water) and pour it into your container.  Add your ground seed mass to the container.  Take a container of lemon juice and add a few squirts to your mixture.  I'd aim for 3-4 tablespoons for 1500 seeds.

Cap your container and shake it like crazy.

Once you've shaken your mixture, place it in a cold fridge (or a cooler filled with ice-the colder the better, but don't freeze it!!) and let it sit for about 3 hours.  I don't suggest letting it sit for less than 2 hours, and I don't recommend letting it set for over 6 hours.  During this 3 hour period, be sure to check in every 15 minutes to shake the mixture again.  At the end of your 3 hours, shake it one last time VERY hard and let it sit for another 10-20 minutes to let all of the gunk fall to the bottom.

That's about it.  Now find yourself a decently sized strainer (you don't want big holes) and, in a dark room, strain your mixture into another pitcher or bowl.  It may take a while to strain (depending on your strainer-I have one with "medium sized holes" and it works perfectly).  My first few attempts were using small holes and it took foreverr.  If you use a strainer with too big of holes, you will let the seed gunk get through).  When it's strained, you're good to go!

Drink your extractions.  I find it helpful to refill your cup with water after you've finished your drink and throw a spoonfull or two of the seed goop.

I'd recommend drinking the extraction on an empty stomach (no eating 4-8 hours prior).  If you follow this advice you can expect to puke and feeling the vasoconstriction at around 40minutes to 90minutes in.  Once you puke, however, the vasoconstriction subsides and you start tripping.  :thumbup:

LINK TO MY REPORT/TEK
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Re: Morning Glory Seed Questions [Re: Jack the Reefer]
    #14305202 - 04/17/11 09:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i tried morning glory seeds 30 years ago, i think did some king of extraction technique, i don't remember what i did, but i do remember cutting the extract, i think it was a white powder with nestle's quick and putting it in gel caps, it was dry and there was no marijuana to smoke, i dont know how i did but it made my whole body feel rubbery, and my head was totally straight, it was very weird, i never did it again i did use heavenly blue seeds, maybe it would have been ok if we had some smoke, or if i did less. there was nothing else around to do, so i tried that. i would do the real thing if it had been available




This is one of the awesome things I notice about LSA: how insanely clearheaded I can feel. I always trip really hard, and I can just lay back and be engulfed, but I could completely do everyday activities under the influence of LSA. Even high doses. Sometimes (rarely) I wish I could feel like that on scid.


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Re: Morning Glory Seed Questions [Re: IchabodCrane]
    #14306502 - 04/17/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Hi everyone. I've recently become interested in morning glory seeds but I have a few questions before I consider experimenting with them. I have done quite a bit of reading regarding the topic but I haven't found clear answers to these questions. All input is appreciated!

1. What is a good dose for a first timer? I was thinking about 7.5gs which comes out to about 300-350 seeds I believe.

2. If I were to take them I would have no way to grind them up so I would chew them up. What is best to wash them down with? I could grind them up by putting them in a baggie and going at them with a hammer but I don't think that would be fine enough?

3. What is best to reduce nausea other than lying down? Smoking some bud right before or after? Does eating or drinking anything afterwards help with the nausea or would that be worse?

4. How does the nausea compare to shrooms? I have never gotten sick from shrooms so would I be ok with these?

5. Are there any precautions I need to take by buying them at Home Depot? I would be buying 6 packs probably, and nothing else.

6. How long does the come up take? How long does the peak last? How long do the after affects stay for? I hear the total time is about 8-12 hours?




1. Hard to tell because potency varies a ton between seeds, but that's a good starter dose.

2. I'f you're not going to grind them then I'd say go for the hammer and baggie, beats chewing by a long shot.

3.) I would smoke some bud right after eating them, otherwise you have a huge chance of puking, plus the bud, in my opinion, makes the trip from the seeds come on faster.

4.) The nausea can be brutal, even crippling, without some bud to smoke.

5.) Just buy em, or if you're good at it steal em, I've taken like 100 at a time just stuffing em in my backpack, no one seems to pay attention.

6.) Since potency is so variable it's super hard to give you an honest estimate, but I would say about about 5-7 or so hours, round trip.


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Re: Morning Glory Seed Questions [Re: Lunchboxer]
    #14306618 - 04/17/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

When I was younger, I tripped off of morning glory seeds and HBW seeds a few times.  It was hard to reliably get psychedelics in my area at that time but I still wanted to commune etc etc.  I know many people have many methods to get them down, or even extract them, but the best way I know is simply:

  • Take your seeds (100-200 if memory serves me) and find a pepper grinder.
  • clean the seeds well with water.
  • Clean the pepper grinder out, and run a few seeds through to grind out any remaining pepper... alternatively I just bought a cheap new wooden grinder for 5$.
  • Make some instant oatmeal, I like quaker oats brown sugar.  One or two packets is good... follow the instructions using good boiled water (filter or bottled unchlorinated).
  • grind those seeds into the finished oatmeal.
  • stir it up and eat it down quick.


I am not saying it will completely cover the taste, because it doesn't.. but it made it relatively bareable.  As far as the naseau, that is just how it goes with the seeds.... a trade off.  I must say that the most vivid and visual trip I ever had was on morning glory seeds with lots of pot, and the most isolated and introspective trip was on HBW... and I have tripped hundreds of times off of many substances.  I did notice that the seeds tended to have more vascoconstricting type sideffects comparable to LSD, hands notably paler.  Pot definitely helped with the naseau, but I think it was more acting to amplify the trip than actually work on the stomach.

Good luck, make sure your seeds are clean/uncoated, and be safe.  Better to under do it and wait a week to try again than burn yourself out.

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Re: Morning Glory Seed Questions [Re: psillymathhead]
    #14306656 - 04/17/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Lsa is my favorite. I grind them up and add to applesauce and ingest. I'm one of the lucky ones that don't get sick on them. Then again so are most of my friends I've turned on to MG seeds. I like to eat 400 to 500 seeds.


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    #14306921 - 04/17/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've found that it's best to take MG seeds on half full stomach. Taking them on a empty stomach can intensify nausea and generally make you feel sick.


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